Big 3 College Placement 2018-19 Cycle

[Anonymous]

It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

Purpose of this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

Purpose of this?

Um, if school A has 25 seniors per counselor and school B has 50, then one might reasonably conclude (assuming that the counselors are all full time) that in school A each senior gets more time and attention from the counselor. Now you can get back to the eggnog.

[Anonymous]

Assumed time is relevant. Can’t polish a turd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

Purpose of this?

Um, if school A has 25 seniors per counselor and school B has 50, then one might reasonably conclude (assuming that the counselors are all full time) that in school A each senior gets more time and attention from the counselor. Now you can get back to the eggnog.

You would also need to know how the counseling office is run. You can't just take the size of the class and divide by the number of counselors. Some schools have a full time counseling staff and some have counselors who also teach. Advantage and disadvantages to both approaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

Purpose of this?

Um, if school A has 25 seniors per counselor and school B has 50, then one might reasonably conclude (assuming that the counselors are all full time) that in school A each senior gets more time and attention from the counselor. Now you can get back to the eggnog.

You would also need to know how the counseling office is run. You can't just take the size of the class and divide by the number of counselors. Some schools have a full time counseling staff and some have counselors who also teach. Advantage and disadvantages to both approaches.

What a waste of time. Are we going to keep listing relevant factors one at a time. Instead of listing what is important, tell me what the answer is.

[Anonymous]

+1. Al lot of smoke and mirrors on this thread without answering questions. Pointless for now anyway

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. Al lot of smoke and mirrors on this thread without answering questions. Pointless for now anyway

+2 put a fork in this thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1. Al lot of smoke and mirrors on this thread without answering questions.

What questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+1. Al lot of smoke and mirrors on this thread without answering questions.

What questions?

I hope that the random statistics and incomplete analyses/benchmarking were actually trying to answer a question!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s hard to benchmark year over year as the very nature of benchmarking assumes everything else is constant. You have to normalize for the # of legacies in a given year, the # of recruited atheletes, and of course, the academic nature of each class. You have to look at the number of kids in a given year that all decide to ED at the same school. If 10 kids get into Yale one year, and then 6 get in the next year, at face value and absent other data points, that tells you absolutely nothing.

One bit of simple benchmarking would be to look at the the number of senior advisees per counselor and the average years of experience per counselor. For example, SFS has nearly 45 seniors per counselor. Is that about average for STA/Cathedral/GDS/Maret, etc?

Purpose of this?

Um, if school A has 25 seniors per counselor and school B has 50, then one might reasonably conclude (assuming that the counselors are all full time) that in school A each senior gets more time and attention from the counselor. Now you can get back to the eggnog.

You would also need to know how the counseling office is run. You can't just take the size of the class and divide by the number of counselors. Some schools have a full time counseling staff and some have counselors who also teach. Advantage and disadvantages to both approaches.

It helps to read closely. The PP asssumed in the example that the counselors are full time. It seems obvious that the more stretched a college counselor is with more senior advisers, the less time that she or he can spend on each senior.

[Anonymous]

Senior advisees.

[Anonymous]

Is your schools’s college advising office totally closed through the regular application deadline date of Jan. 1? Or are some counselors on call to address issues over the holidays?

[Anonymous]

Ours are available through the holidays and even responded to an email on Xmas day.