Why don’t people in “flyover country” just move?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.

Why should I get a job when i get food stamps, welfare checks, public housing, free bus/metro cards, and Gov’t paid smartphone, etc.? Plus I get the same for each of my kids, Mo kids=Mo money, yo.
And if I do get a job, I make sure it doesn’t pay much, or on the books, since I don’t want to lose my benies and freebies. You working suckers!

Yes, why don't you do that. Report back and tell us about all of your new friends and the lives they've led.

They’ll report back about the education their children in universities the middle class could only dream of their children. They’ll be in shock that your kid couldn’t get into the same schools their kids did with your letter of recommendation. The pride and joy they will feel as they do anything they can - including claiming their kid will study STEM, not putting the American born father on the birth certificate. They will continue to be shocked at their good fortune when their mortgages go bust and have help others don’t have. They will not understand why people begin to resent their every request for a better paying job, a pair of shoes, negotiating a car loan, working with accountants. They will not understand why you needed to lay them off their $25 an hour job you paid them because they were raising a child. They will resent the hand that legally helped them up for 20 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

But they just use the military to get out of their swamphole life. Where do they end up post-military? Right here in the DMV. The four biggest concentrations for vets to live in are Virginia Beach, San Diego, San Antonio, and Northern Virginia. So looks like vets are voting with their feet and choosing to bug out of flyover country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

But they just use the military to get out of their swamphole life. Where do they end up post-military? Right here in the DMV. The four biggest concentrations for vets to live in are Virginia Beach, San Diego, San Antonio, and Northern Virginia. So looks like vets are voting with their feet and choosing to bug out of flyover country.

Well, that life produced some fine young people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:our friends in Madison, WI are senior mgmt their Trek HQ and they have a fantastic life. same base salaries (gotta pay up for educated people anywhere), waterski house in summer, ski/snowmobile in winter, decent airport, big new house for $500k, good schools, tons of fun at UW-madison games, etc.
all the east coasters at their wedding had the best week ever. and yes, a ton said "wow, I never would have come here unless invited." did some golfing at Kohler too.

Trek, Kohler, Harley, Northwestern mutual, Allstate, universitits, medical companies, GE Medical.

Making $300k there and banking most of it makes a lot of sense.

So the OP's question should be rephrased - why don't all the unemployed folks in Wisconsin move to greater Madison? (because I think the question about mobility was more on point, and important, than the generalization about flyover country)

The problem of the large numbers of underemployed, discontented folks is a national problem - whether a highly qualified professional is better off in Madison, or in Annandale, not so much.

Why should I get a job when i get food stamps, welfare checks, public housing, free bus/metro cards, and Gov’t paid smartphone, etc.? Plus I get the same for each of my kids, Mo kids=Mo money, yo.
And if I do get a job, I make sure it doesn’t pay much, or on the books, since I don’t want to lose my benies and freebies. You working suckers!

Yes, why don't you do that. Report back and tell us about all of your new friends and the lives they've led.

They’ll report back about the education their children in universities the middle class could only dream of their children. They’ll be in shock that your kid couldn’t get into the same schools their kids did with your letter of recommendation. The pride and joy they will feel as they do anything they can - including claiming their kid will study STEM, not putting the American born father on the birth certificate. They will continue to be shocked at their good fortune when their mortgages go bust and have help others don’t have. They will not understand why people begin to resent their every request for a better paying job, a pair of shoes, negotiating a car loan, working with accountants. They will not understand why you needed to lay them off their $25 an hour job you paid them because they were raising a child. They will resent the hand that legally helped them up for 20 years.

Incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

But they just use the military to get out of their swamphole life. Where do they end up post-military? Right here in the DMV. The four biggest concentrations for vets to live in are Virginia Beach, San Diego, San Antonio, and Northern Virginia. So looks like vets are voting with their feet and choosing to bug out of flyover country.

Well, that life produced some fine young people.

As has life in the urban core. The point is, those who can get out of the decaying small towns in many parts of middle America do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

But they just use the military to get out of their swamphole life. Where do they end up post-military? Right here in the DMV. The four biggest concentrations for vets to live in are Virginia Beach, San Diego, San Antonio, and Northern Virginia. So looks like vets are voting with their feet and choosing to bug out of flyover country.

Well, that life produced some fine young people.

As has life in the urban core. The point is, those who can get out of the decaying small towns in many parts of middle America do.

My point is that what some of you describe as a swamp hole life isn't necessarily true. Young people may need to look for jobs elsewhere, but it doesn't mean the town is a swamp hole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

But they just use the military to get out of their swamphole life. Where do they end up post-military? Right here in the DMV. The four biggest concentrations for vets to live in are Virginia Beach, San Diego, San Antonio, and Northern Virginia. So looks like vets are voting with their feet and choosing to bug out of flyover country.

Those military strongholds also all went for Clinton, not Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

That doesn't change the fact that they are solidly blue states and that they contribute huge numbers of troops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

That doesn't change the fact that they are solidly blue states and that they contribute huge numbers of troops.[/quote

Yes, but don't try to make it sound like they're more patriotic or willing to serve. We'd need to look at the percentage of an individual state's population.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

That doesn't change the fact that they are solidly blue states and that they contribute huge numbers of troops.

I seriously doubt that it’s the liberals in those states that are joining the military.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

That doesn't change the fact that they are solidly blue states and that they contribute huge numbers of troops.

I seriously doubt that it’s the liberals in those states that are joining the military.

You’d be surprised. The military is much more diverse than most people think.

-military officer from a blue state

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Flyover folks will fight your middle eastern wars for you, provide your food and other goods, while you, creepy resident of this area, will produce hot air.

+ a million. So many spoiled brats here.

Look at a map of where most of the soldiers in Iraq/afghanistan came from

Top three states contributing troops to fight in Iraq and Afghanistan are Texas, California and New York. Note that California and New York are "liberal" "elite" coastal states that conservatives constantly demonize. Note how conservatives constantly pretend that the military is completely conservative and they constantly try and pretend that liberals aren't patriots. Yet more falsehoods exposed.

Well, duh, CA, NY, and TX are among the top 5 most populated states. I'll add that liberals are constantly demonizing conservative states.

That doesn't change the fact that they are solidly blue states and that they contribute huge numbers of troops.

Yes, but don't try to make it sound like they're more patriotic or willing to serve. We'd need to look at the percentage of an individual state's population.

Don't go trying to claim red states are more patriotic or willing to serve either.