Take a knee during Pledge of Allegiance in VA Elementary school?

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Sounds like they have you brainwashed. No one "supports" abortion, but they support having the choice. Basic women's rights.

Well, seeing those pictures shows what the "choice" is.

It's not pretty, as are many medical procedures. And it's far more offensive than the Women's March signs so STFU.

[Anonymous]

It's not pretty, as are many medical procedures. And it's far more offensive than the Women's March signs so STFU.

Why is it offensive to you? It's real. Those signs are just words.

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Just don't recite it. That's what I did starting age 11 or so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Sounds like they have you brainwashed. No one "supports" abortion, but they support having the choice. Basic women's rights.

Well, seeing those pictures shows what the "choice" is.

Are you this stupid and ignorant in real life or is your troll game really just this boring?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's not pretty, as are many medical procedures. And it's far more offensive than the Women's March signs so STFU.

Why is it offensive to you? It's real. Those signs are just words.

There is some blood and tissue that many people don't like to see. It actually doesn't bother me that much - certainly not any more than other photos/videos of surgical procedures or the nasty snot that comes out my kid's nose.

But many parents don't want to explain abortion to their 6 year old. You think that is appropriate? I think it's a little young.

Go start a new thread if you want to discuss why the signs from the Women's March are so offensive to you. Or go start a new thread about how religious nuts make their kids carry offensive signs to scare other children at school. Neither are relevant to the topic.

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It's not the flag that the players are protesting, btw. Trying to reason with somebody who can't even grasp that simple fact is pointless.

Sorry. When you sit or take a knee during the anthem, you are protesting the flag and what it represents. Why can you not grasp that? How is taking a knee during the anthem (which honors our flag and country) anything else? That is why people are upset.

You want to protest the police? Do something else.

The national anthem includes the statement that the United States is the "land of the free." This protest originated by protesting escalating violence by state actors against African Americans, violating their basic freedoms. Further, some are now protesting that our president is going out of his way to advocate restricting expression, limiting the freedom to express one's views through peaceful protest. Both of those attacks on freedom are at the heart of this protest. Regardless of the reasoning for the first protester kneeling rather than sitting, protesters now can be understood to be protesting that our national freedoms referenced in the pledge are being eroded through violence taken disproportionately against African-Americans and through our chief executive advocating restrictions on expression.

Those freedoms include the right to refuse to stand up during the National Anthem. They are free to choose to sit, take one knee or two knees, or lie down on the field to show how they feel. But other people have the same right to disagree with that choice and to think that refusing to stand during the anthem is a poor choice to use as a vehicle of protest.

Freedom allows choices and also allows the ability to voice disagreement with choices.

Yes, Mam, You can express how you hate our freedoms all you want.

[Anonymous]

Here's a question: How do the protesters expect things to change? What are the steps they want? And, be specific--please don't just say "conversation". Most people are aware that there is a problem.

[Anonymous]

We had lots of student protests when I was in high school - - 70's in MoCo. I don't even remember what they were about (the Vietnam War was over ...) they probably were poorly executed, maybe not thought out too well BUT the important thing - BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT THING - is we were receiving the (unspoken) message from adults, our parents and the school administration, that our involvement mattered. We were not silenced. We entered adulthood engaged and wanting to be active in our communities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had lots of student protests when I was in high school - - 70's in MoCo. I don't even remember what they were about (the Vietnam War was over ...) they probably were poorly executed, maybe not thought out too well BUT the important thing - BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT THING - is we were receiving the (unspoken) message from adults, our parents and the school administration, that our involvement mattered. We were not silenced. We entered adulthood engaged and wanting to be active in our communities.

So, you are saying they don't know what they are protesting? How is this going to help? What have you changed with your protests?

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They may know,or they may not be entirely clear. Hopefully they know BUT they are students. It is MUCH more important that they be allowed the experience of decent and protest (frankly that is much more important)

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~ meant dissent

[Anonymous]

The pledge is nothing more than a loyalty oath, and as such should have no place in our allegedly free society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We had lots of student protests when I was in high school - - 70's in MoCo. I don't even remember what they were about (the Vietnam War was over ...) they probably were poorly executed, maybe not thought out too well BUT the important thing - BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT THING - is we were receiving the (unspoken) message from adults, our parents and the school administration, that our involvement mattered. We were not silenced. We entered adulthood engaged and wanting to be active in our communities.

No, you entered adulthood entitled, spoiled and catered to, as if your every whim and feeling mattered and needed to be voiced.

And we, as a country, have been paying the price for this self-centered generation called Baby Boomers, ever since.

[Anonymous]

I stopped saying the pledge in HS in the 90's. I just remained seated. White girl in KY. No one ever said shit to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The pledge is nothing more than a loyalty oath, and as such should have no place in our allegedly free society.

PP above and this is exactly why I stopped in high school. It's mindless and I don't engage in mindless group-think.