s/o: if you're catholic, how do you deal with sticking by the church?

[Anonymous]

And you people yammer on......

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Anonymous wrote:As a Catholic believe me I am not sitting here thinking: "Wow, what a great point, maybe I should be Episcopalian."

What in the hell are you people still yammering about?

We don't want you to be an Episcopalian. Be Catholic. Hell, I am a Catholic. But just because you are part of the flock, you don't have to act like sheep. If you know your history, you know the Church can change. Don't be like the apologist on this thread. She just parrots what all of us heard over and over.

If something is true, it needs no improvement.

If you cannot explain it, you don't understand it.

I did explain it, and my explanation was considered "beautiful.". But PPs do not want to conform to Church teaching about contraception, no matter how coherent, persuasive, consistent, poetic, powerful, or true it is, and that is their choice to make. Obedience can be very hard sometimes, but even Christ was obedient to the Father's will for him, and Mary's fiat is our model as believers in her Son.

You truly don't get it. All you did in that post was to repeat the church teaching. You did zero to explain how the church justifies that doctrine. And then you cite a poster who called your post "beautiful", conveniently ignoring the point that she does not believe that God even agrees with you. You truly are just a parrot.

Actually you don't get it. It is a religion. It is based on belief. In acceptance of what you know rather than what is tangible. What I believe may not be what you believe. When I tell you I believe in God creating the world as we know it (prior to evolution), it is because I believe. You may tell me about evolution or the big bang (theory-- right) but there is nothing more concrete in your belief than my belief. But I don't need more than that. I can see God in miracles and apparitions of the Virgin and how a baby is created. I can base my belief on centuries of belief. It is no more than other religions ask of their own believers. Yes, you can call me a parrot but it doesn't change me or my beliefs. The Church will carry on for centuries to come. That is a beautiful thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a Catholic believe me I am not sitting here thinking: "Wow, what a great point, maybe I should be Episcopalian."

What in the hell are you people still yammering about?

We don't want you to be an Episcopalian. Be Catholic. Hell, I am a Catholic. But just because you are part of the flock, you don't have to act like sheep. If you know your history, you know the Church can change. Don't be like the apologist on this thread. She just parrots what all of us heard over and over.

If something is true, it needs no improvement.

If you cannot explain it, you don't understand it.

I did explain it, and my explanation was considered "beautiful.". But PPs do not want to conform to Church teaching about contraception, no matter how coherent, persuasive, consistent, poetic, powerful, or true it is, and that is their choice to make. Obedience can be very hard sometimes, but even Christ was obedient to the Father's will for him, and Mary's fiat is our model as believers in her Son.

You truly don't get it. All you did in that post was to repeat the church teaching. You did zero to explain how the church justifies that doctrine. And then you cite a poster who called your post "beautiful", conveniently ignoring the point that she does not believe that God even agrees with you. You truly are just a parrot.

Actually you don't get it. It is a religion. It is based on belief. In acceptance of what you know rather than what is tangible. What I believe may not be what you believe. When I tell you I believe in God creating the world as we know it (prior to evolution), it is because I believe. You may tell me about evolution or the big bang (theory-- right) but there is nothing more concrete in your belief than my belief. But I don't need more than that. I can see God in miracles and apparitions of the Virgin and how a baby is created. I can base my belief on centuries of belief. It is no more than other religions ask of their own believers. Yes, you can call me a parrot but it doesn't change me or my beliefs. The Church will carry on for centuries to come. That is a beautiful thing.

Well that may be fine for you, but that is not how the Vatican writes its doctrine. It looks at biblical accounts, early church history, the work of theologians, and more to come up with its positions. It is not merely a belief.

As for the big bang theory, it was created by a Roman Catholic priest, Monsignor George Lemaitre, who taught physics at a Catholic University in Belgium. He was a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences. The Big Bang was extolled by Pope Pius XII as proof of God's creation of the universe. This has been reaffirmed by Pope Benedict in January of this year when he said: "God's mind was behind complex scientific theories such as the Big Bang, and Christians should reject the idea that the universe came into being by accident".

So now that it is OK for you to believe in the Big Bang since the Pope has officially blessed it, I would like to add that decades of scientific observations by thousands of scientists corroborate it.

[Anonymous]

When you are awake and have finished absorbing the shocking revelation that the Pope believes in the Big Bang, let me know. The other shoes is about to drop.

[Anonymous]

Not the poster you are responding to, but I'll bite.... what is it?

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Anonymous wrote:Not the poster you are responding to, but I'll bite.... what is it?

The Catholic Church does not accept creationism.

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Anonymous wrote:Not the poster you are responding to, but I'll bite.... what is it?

The Catholic Church does not accept creationism.

Not a big shocker. In nearly 40yrs as a Catholic, not sure I've heard any Catholic (laity or clergy) say that the believe the Bible to mean literally 7 days as defined by Earth's 24hr day cycle.

[Anonymous]

Ha! What I was saying is that of course I believe that God is behind the big bang. That doesn't mean that everyone believes that He is also. It is a theory after all. As with evolution. Believe me, the Church (and there for my) ideas about evolution as being actively driven by God really isn't accepted on the scientific front.

But it is funny that you people automatically assume that us parroting Catholics have no clue what we are talking about.

[Anonymous]

as i'm watching this conversation, i can't help but notice the similarity to government. overall approval ratings of congress are at an all time low (like 20% basically), but if you ask people if they think their own representative deserves to be re-elected, they overwhelmingly say yes!

this is really the same. us catholics say we are disappointed with the vatican, but we stay catholic because we love our own personal church. very interesting . . . .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not the poster you are responding to, but I'll bite.... what is it?

The Catholic Church does not accept creationism.

Not a big shocker. In nearly 40yrs as a Catholic, not sure I've heard any Catholic (laity or clergy) say that the believe the Bible to mean literally 7 days as defined by Earth's 24hr day cycle.

I know. Tell that to 01:34

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Anonymous wrote:There was a great NY Times piece by Nicholas Kristoff about this. In short, he said you can find the very best of the Catholocism and the Church in the priests, nuns and Catholic lay people who sacrifice everything to teach, feed, and sustain the poor and disabled -- particularly those who do this in Africa and Latin America and literally risk their lives each day in dangerous, war-torn areas to do God's work. I am pro-choice, support gay marriage, lived in sin with my DH, etc. and yet I still consider myself Catholic having been raised by East Coast liberals and taught to gently question what I learned in Catholic school (K-12). I support the Jesuit/social justice/public service arm of Catholocism and have dedicated my career to advocating for people experiencing homelessness. I abhor what the Church did to cover up abuse, but I won't let "the Church" ruin Catholocism for me. My faith is too important to me.

You could get all of the benefits and much less of the negatives by becoming Protestant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ha! What I was saying is that of course I believe that God is behind the big bang. That doesn't mean that everyone believes that He is also. It is a theory after all. As with evolution. Believe me, the Church (and there for my) ideas about evolution as being actively driven by God really isn't accepted on the scientific front.

But it is funny that you people automatically assume that us parroting Catholics have no clue what we are talking about.

You don't. You didn't say that if you are 01:34. You were mocking the Big Bang and Evolution, not splitting hairs over whether God was the prime mover behind them. Meanwhile you were challenging the age of the earth on another thread in the dead of the night at the same time. That of course is a direct contradiction to what you are now posting.

BTW I am a Catholic. I just know my science and my religion. I am not, however, a parrot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:as i'm watching this conversation, i can't help but notice the similarity to government. overall approval ratings of congress are at an all time low (like 20% basically), but if you ask people if they think their own representative deserves to be re-elected, they overwhelmingly say yes!

this is really the same. us catholics say we are disappointed with the vatican, but we stay catholic because we love our own personal church. very interesting . . . .

Or, there are those of us who actually support the Vatican, and love our faith including the more controversial teachings. I for one believe in the official Church, not my "personal" church.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:as i'm watching this conversation, i can't help but notice the similarity to government. overall approval ratings of congress are at an all time low (like 20% basically), but if you ask people if they think their own representative deserves to be re-elected, they overwhelmingly say yes!

this is really the same. us catholics say we are disappointed with the vatican, but we stay catholic because we love our own personal church. very interesting . . . .

Or, there are those of us who actually support the Vatican, and love our faith including the more controversial teachings. I for one believe in the official Church, not my "personal" church.

good for you. here's your cookie. but you are not representative of American catholics by any stretch.

[Anonymous]

How is this thread still going??????????????????????
Get a life people.