Kids arrested outside of Whitman for selling coke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wtf are you talking about; lobbying to physically restrain students? There are staff that are trained to restrain through CPI, but it only can happen for a student that is physically harming themselves and others. The state tracks the number and its immense documentation. If schools notify parents, then parents need to provide consequences and not deny or blame other children for their own child’s behavior.

You are the one arguing that you can't physically restrain students from leaving the building. I merely pointed out if that is essential to preventing kids from leaving, I've yet to see or hear a single person from MCPS state that they need greater latitude from the BOE or state to do so.

As for the second part, schools can notify parents, if the student continues to leave the school building when they aren't supposed to, suspend and if suspensions don't work, expel.

Again: Stop acting like MCPS has no tools to deal with this. They do. They choose not to use them for....reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have a student who skipped the entire months of November and December. I e-mailed home every Friday to tell the parent the kid was not in school and every single week I got the same reply "I drop my kid off at 7:15 every morning". Turns out the kid waits for his mom to drive off and then never goes into the school. Is this a school issue or a parent issue? Honestly asking.

Great question. I think it's both.

If the school was smart, they'd insist the mom could no longer drop the kid off and must walk the child into the office and sign them in. If the child leaves the building after that, then it is on the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wtf are you talking about; lobbying to physically restrain students? There are staff that are trained to restrain through CPI, but it only can happen for a student that is physically harming themselves and others. The state tracks the number and its immense documentation. If schools notify parents, then parents need to provide consequences and not deny or blame other children for their own child’s behavior.

You are the one arguing that you can't physically restrain students from leaving the building. I merely pointed out if that is essential to preventing kids from leaving, I've yet to see or hear a single person from MCPS state that they need greater latitude from the BOE or state to do so.

As for the second part, schools can notify parents, if the student continues to leave the school building when they aren't supposed to, suspend and if suspensions don't work, expel.

Again: Stop acting like MCPS has no tools to deal with this. They do. They choose not to use them for....reasons.

Whatdo you expect MCPS to do? Seriously? They probably do notify the parents and the parents ignore the messages. Blame the parents. Ultimately as parents we are responsible for our kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could have a security guard for every student in the building, but that won't stop them from leaving (or insert any pervasive behavior that's common in the school) if there are no consequences for doing so. Security doesn't even attempt to stop behaviors beyond telling them to get to where they need to go if security knows there's nothing that will be done about it at admin level.

If a school has a rule, a school has to be willing to enforce it. And that's where the breakdown is. Kids see that others leave without consequence, so they start to leave too because all there friends are and nothing's happening, so why not?

A school can only enforce rules with parents support. Most schools doing involve parents and keep them at arms length and some parents just ignore or approve of behavior like this. This goes through the police and courts. All a school can do is suspend or expell a child for skipping school.

This is a blatant lie. For example, MCPS is enforcing the 10-day, consecutive absence leading to automatically unenroll students policy that it's implemented to manage its chronic absenteeism numbers despite many parents not being in favor of it.

MCPS enforces the rules it wants to, often against parents' wishes, if it believes it suits its own interests. MCPS does not care what parents want or think. It is beholden only to the principal and teachers' unions.

PP is this true about the 10 day consecutive absence unenrollment policy? What is happening to the students who are unenrolled?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could have a security guard for every student in the building, but that won't stop them from leaving (or insert any pervasive behavior that's common in the school) if there are no consequences for doing so. Security doesn't even attempt to stop behaviors beyond telling them to get to where they need to go if security knows there's nothing that will be done about it at admin level.

If a school has a rule, a school has to be willing to enforce it. And that's where the breakdown is. Kids see that others leave without consequence, so they start to leave too because all there friends are and nothing's happening, so why not?

A school can only enforce rules with parents support. Most schools doing involve parents and keep them at arms length and some parents just ignore or approve of behavior like this. This goes through the police and courts. All a school can do is suspend or expell a child for skipping school.

This is a blatant lie. For example, MCPS is enforcing the 10-day, consecutive absence leading to automatically unenroll students policy that it's implemented to manage its chronic absenteeism numbers despite many parents not being in favor of it.

MCPS enforces the rules it wants to, often against parents' wishes, if it believes it suits its own interests. MCPS does not care what parents want or think. It is beholden only to the principal and teachers' unions.

PP is this true about the 10 day consecutive absence unenrollment policy? What is happening to the students who are unenrolled?

Yes, it absolutely is true. It was rolled out in 2023. If a student is unenrolled, they can re-enroll, but it requires paperwork at minimum. Some schools require more than paperwork.

For example, in this student journalism piece from Watkins Mill, students and parents have to participate in an attendance meeting before being reenrolled: https://wmcurrent.com/37427/showcase/new-attendance-policy/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You could have a security guard for every student in the building, but that won't stop them from leaving (or insert any pervasive behavior that's common in the school) if there are no consequences for doing so. Security doesn't even attempt to stop behaviors beyond telling them to get to where they need to go if security knows there's nothing that will be done about it at admin level.

If a school has a rule, a school has to be willing to enforce it. And that's where the breakdown is. Kids see that others leave without consequence, so they start to leave too because all there friends are and nothing's happening, so why not?

A school can only enforce rules with parents support. Most schools doing involve parents and keep them at arms length and some parents just ignore or approve of behavior like this. This goes through the police and courts. All a school can do is suspend or expell a child for skipping school.

This is a blatant lie. For example, MCPS is enforcing the 10-day, consecutive absence leading to automatically unenroll students policy that it's implemented to manage its chronic absenteeism numbers despite many parents not being in favor of it.

MCPS enforces the rules it wants to, often against parents' wishes, if it believes it suits its own interests. MCPS does not care what parents want or think. It is beholden only to the principal and teachers' unions.

PP is this true about the 10 day consecutive absence unenrollment policy? What is happening to the students who are unenrolled?

Yes it's true. I have lost 5 kids off of my IEP caseload just in the first semester because of it. The students basically are treated as dropouts but are allowed to be re-enrolled by a parent. The tricky thing is it has to be 10 total absences. If they show up for 1 class it doesn't count and it starts over again. It takes awhile to actually do the unenrollment because inevitably there will be a teacher who forgot to do attendance or mistakenly marked a kid present.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wtf are you talking about; lobbying to physically restrain students? There are staff that are trained to restrain through CPI, but it only can happen for a student that is physically harming themselves and others. The state tracks the number and its immense documentation. If schools notify parents, then parents need to provide consequences and not deny or blame other children for their own child’s behavior.

You are the one arguing that you can't physically restrain students from leaving the building. I merely pointed out if that is essential to preventing kids from leaving, I've yet to see or hear a single person from MCPS state that they need greater latitude from the BOE or state to do so.

As for the second part, schools can notify parents, if the student continues to leave the school building when they aren't supposed to, suspend and if suspensions don't work, expel.

Again: Stop acting like MCPS has no tools to deal with this. They do. They choose not to use them for....reasons.

Whatdo you expect MCPS to do? Seriously? They probably do notify the parents and the parents ignore the messages. Blame the parents. Ultimately as parents we are responsible for our kids.

First off, I bet they don't, other than the automated attendance notifications that go out via attendance records, which oftentimes are wrong by the way, because attendance tracking in MCPS is absolutely a disaster.

Secondly, I've stated repeatedly what I expect MCPS to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have a student who skipped the entire months of November and December. I e-mailed home every Friday to tell the parent the kid was not in school and every single week I got the same reply "I drop my kid off at 7:15 every morning". Turns out the kid waits for his mom to drive off and then never goes into the school. Is this a school issue or a parent issue? Honestly asking.

Great question. I think it's both.

If the school was smart, they'd insist the mom could no longer drop the kid off and must walk the child into the office and sign them in. If the child leaves the building after that, then it is on the school.

If a child walks out of school what do you want them to do? This is silly. As a parent take responsibility for your kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wtf are you talking about; lobbying to physically restrain students? There are staff that are trained to restrain through CPI, but it only can happen for a student that is physically harming themselves and others. The state tracks the number and its immense documentation. If schools notify parents, then parents need to provide consequences and not deny or blame other children for their own child’s behavior.

You are the one arguing that you can't physically restrain students from leaving the building. I merely pointed out if that is essential to preventing kids from leaving, I've yet to see or hear a single person from MCPS state that they need greater latitude from the BOE or state to do so.

As for the second part, schools can notify parents, if the student continues to leave the school building when they aren't supposed to, suspend and if suspensions don't work, expel.

Again: Stop acting like MCPS has no tools to deal with this. They do. They choose not to use them for....reasons.

Whatdo you expect MCPS to do? Seriously? They probably do notify the parents and the parents ignore the messages. Blame the parents. Ultimately as parents we are responsible for our kids.

First off, I bet they don't, other than the automated attendance notifications that go out via attendance records, which oftentimes are wrong by the way, because attendance tracking in MCPS is absolutely a disaster.

Secondly, I've stated repeatedly what I expect MCPS to do.

As a parent track your kids. Not hard.