All the boundary options are bad for the DCC-- how do we organize against that? (Any ideas for alternative options?)

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

Projection, we’ll add that to the psychopathy. What a delightful combination!

Well, I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t support equal schools beyond some agreed upon baseline and have been willing to advocate for keeping what benefits are available for my kids. Does that make me selfish? Probably but I’m not willing to sacrifice what I have earned and made for my kids. As far I know, we only get one shot at raising them.

I do have contempt for the DEI signalers in my cluster though who profess they support diversity while advocating for the very same protections — something I have witnessed throughout this process. I hold many of you DCC hypocrites in the same regard for the same reasons.

Hypocrisy isn’t a great character trait, but it’s preferable to psychopathy. At least for most people. Your callous disregard for other people is striking. That you brag about it, even more so.

I’m admitting what many people won’t say in polite company. That I care about my kids more than I care about your kids and want what’s best for them and am not willing to sacrifice their opportunities for yours. Do I feel guilty about the entrenched poverty? Sure. But I’m not going to spend a lot of time thinking about it when I have kids to raise and bills to pay. I moved to an area of privilege so I didn’t have to. I’d even pay more in taxes if it means helping others but not at the expense of my kids’ opportunities. I’m exactly what Richard Reeves says is the problem in Dream Hoarders.

You don’t care at all about other people’s kids. That’s the difference between you and most other parents. We care about our kids more than other people’s kids, mostly, but we also do care, very much, about the welfare of kids in general. That you could not care less is, frankly, bizarre. It’s like you don’t know that society is interconnected and think if you just stay in your privilege bubble, all will be perfect. That’s not reality.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

Yes, you are. No one is rallying against the W schools. We are fine with them being separate but we want equal. How hard is that to understand? Why should one group of kids benefit from advanced classes on taxpayer dollars while another group doesn't? Why should one group benefit from arts, sports and other things and another doesn't when we all pay the same taxes?

You do realize that schools in the eastern part of the county get a lot more dollars per pupil than in the western part of the county.

You do realize it is much harder to get into UMD from the west of the county then east of the county?

You are rich, you can afford a private. It’s not harder but they only take so many kids from each school.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

Projection, we’ll add that to the psychopathy. What a delightful combination!

Well, I’m not a hypocrite. I don’t support equal schools beyond some agreed upon baseline and have been willing to advocate for keeping what benefits are available for my kids. Does that make me selfish? Probably but I’m not willing to sacrifice what I have earned and made for my kids. As far I know, we only get one shot at raising them.

I do have contempt for the DEI signalers in my cluster though who profess they support diversity while advocating for the very same protections — something I have witnessed throughout this process. I hold many of you DCC hypocrites in the same regard for the same reasons.

Hypocrisy isn’t a great character trait, but it’s preferable to psychopathy. At least for most people. Your callous disregard for other people is striking. That you brag about it, even more so.

I’m admitting what many people won’t say in polite company. That I care about my kids more than I care about your kids and want what’s best for them and am not willing to sacrifice their opportunities for yours. Do I feel guilty about the entrenched poverty? Sure. But I’m not going to spend a lot of time thinking about it when I have kids to raise and bills to pay. I moved to an area of privilege so I didn’t have to. I’d even pay more in taxes if it means helping others but not at the expense of my kids’ opportunities. I’m exactly what Richard Reeves says is the problem in Dream Hoarders.

You cannot be working and posting this much. You post your hate in many threads. Why should we sacrifice for your kids? You can afford private, try it.

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

Yes, you are. No one is rallying against the W schools. We are fine with them being separate but we want equal. How hard is that to understand? Why should one group of kids benefit from advanced classes on taxpayer dollars while another group doesn't? Why should one group benefit from arts, sports and other things and another doesn't when we all pay the same taxes?

You do realize that schools in the eastern part of the county get a lot more dollars per pupil than in the western part of the county.

You do realize it is much harder to get into UMD from the west of the county then east of the county?

Your first statement is false.

Your second statement has nothing to do with per pupil spending. It is about how UMD does admissions, take it up with them.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

So we moved to the area when my child was 2. She is 6 now. If the DCC were to continue, I have no idea which high school she'd list as her first choice in 7 years because it would depend on her interests. That's how the DCC works. As numerous people have explained, the proposed regional program model will reduce choice and flexibility for kids in the DCC to pursue their interests. Many people bought in the area after hearing about the benefits of the choice and the various programs from parents whose kids went through the programs.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

Things were different when we bought our home. The school offered much more. The only way for us to get enough classes to graduate was to go to another school. We would have preferred the home school.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

So we moved to the area when my child was 2. She is 6 now. If the DCC were to continue, I have no idea which high school she'd list as her first choice in 7 years because it would depend on her interests. That's how the DCC works. As numerous people have explained, the proposed regional program model will reduce choice and flexibility for kids in the DCC to pursue their interests. Many people bought in the area after hearing about the benefits of the choice and the various programs from parents whose kids went through the programs.

But what in the new boundary options influences this? This sounds like you are upset in the regional program change. I am just trying to understand the DCC issues with these options.

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*the BOUNDARY options

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

So we moved to the area when my child was 2. She is 6 now. If the DCC were to continue, I have no idea which high school she'd list as her first choice in 7 years because it would depend on her interests. That's how the DCC works. As numerous people have explained, the proposed regional program model will reduce choice and flexibility for kids in the DCC to pursue their interests. Many people bought in the area after hearing about the benefits of the choice and the various programs from parents whose kids went through the programs.

But what in the new boundary options influences this? This sounds like you are upset in the regional program change. I am just trying to understand the DCC issues with these options.

DP but the issue is that both the boundary options and the program changes are bad for Einstein (boundary options all increase the FARMS rate at Einstein, some substantially.) Either one on its own might be tolerable, but the combination of the both of them (plus the drop in enrollment due to the boundary changes, which would be fine on its own but just further aggravates these issues in combination) is just going to be a really big blow to Einstein unless one or both of those things changes.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

So we moved to the area when my child was 2. She is 6 now. If the DCC were to continue, I have no idea which high school she'd list as her first choice in 7 years because it would depend on her interests. That's how the DCC works. As numerous people have explained, the proposed regional program model will reduce choice and flexibility for kids in the DCC to pursue their interests. Many people bought in the area after hearing about the benefits of the choice and the various programs from parents whose kids went through the programs.

But what in the new boundary options influences this? This sounds like you are upset in the regional program change. I am just trying to understand the DCC issues with these options.

DP but the issue is that both the boundary options and the program changes are bad for Einstein (boundary options all increase the FARMS rate at Einstein, some substantially.) Either one on its own might be tolerable, but the combination of the both of them (plus the drop in enrollment due to the boundary changes, which would be fine on its own but just further aggravates these issues in combination) is just going to be a really big blow to Einstein unless one or both of those things changes.

Sorry are you people who are zoned to Einstein don’t want to be and want to be able to go to a different school? Is it that bad of a school?

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*the people not “you people”

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Anonymous wrote:If you care about making change, you need to do something serious like write a coherent document with data-backed arguments, not argue on an anonymous message board.

Yes this. Or attempting to get others (even those on DCUM) to comment favorably for the DCC option of choice in the feedback forms. You can try to make allies but that’s apparently not your jam.

And why should I as a non-DCC parent care about this? How does it affect me? Is it going to cost more and impact my property taxes? Is it going to lead to more congestion? Is it going to impact the boundaries of my cluster? And by retaining it, who is this helping? A few privileged strivers or the broader DCC? Or not and just whine about persistent inequality between clusters.

Why should I take time to explain to you what has been explained ad nauseum on this thread? You don't need to read this thread or post here if you don't care.

Because the alternative without a clear and concise summary of why any non-DCC parent should care is that I will advocate against any change from the current proposal. Why f do I care if it doesn’t affect me? A few squawking parents pissed that their striver doesn’t have the same options now? Yeah okay. Sounds like they should just move to a different cluster like the rest of us.

Why are you posting here? You're saying you don't care but it sounds very much like you do. You're going to advocate for a proposal you don't care about? Lol

Oh I enjoy the spectacle and the hand wringing and the holier than thou attitude that some of you DCC parents take for having decided not to be in a “W” school like it’s some badge of honor. It sounds like a lot of barking from a few privileged parents who suddenly don’t like the fact that their choices have come home to roost rather than a problem that affects the DCC as a whole. The fact that you can’t respond to this about who it affects is really telling! But please prove me wrong.

On the other hand, my admittedly modest amount of empathy for my fellow parents’ plight is also at play. I really don’t know how it affects the county as a whole and if it’s going to raise my property taxes and cost more or some other negative consequence, then I definitely care and would be happy to support rolling it back. So tell me, why should I care about this?

You can't talk to people like this and expect them to answer your questions on demand.

DP - that person is a psychopath. They’re enjoying this exchange and have zero interest in caring about other people.

Oh, I am enjoying this exchange but not for the reasons you think. I just like exposing hypocrites, especially the ones who have railed against W schools for years. The ugly truth is you’re not different than any of us even though you pretend your decisions are somehow better.

Yes, you are. No one is rallying against the W schools. We are fine with them being separate but we want equal. How hard is that to understand? Why should one group of kids benefit from advanced classes on taxpayer dollars while another group doesn't? Why should one group benefit from arts, sports and other things and another doesn't when we all pay the same taxes?

You do realize that schools in the eastern part of the county get a lot more dollars per pupil than in the western part of the county.

You do realize it is much harder to get into UMD from the west of the county then east of the county?

What they want is both an affordable place to live and equality of academic options! So do we all! It’s magical thinking and ignoring the fact of what our property prices tell us.

Oh wow. This person said the quiet part out loud.

Some kids apparently just don’t get to have quality academic options, because they didn’t pay for them with their houses. To think otherwise is apparently magical thinking.

I really hope someone quotes this and reads it out loud at a public meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

A good number.

So a good number bought in areas in order to not attend your neighborhood school but to attend a different school, and now are upset through the change in the regions and the end in the DCC this will be at least different? And what’s the issue with the boundaries? Is that a separate issue or overlapping?

So we moved to the area when my child was 2. She is 6 now. If the DCC were to continue, I have no idea which high school she'd list as her first choice in 7 years because it would depend on her interests. That's how the DCC works. As numerous people have explained, the proposed regional program model will reduce choice and flexibility for kids in the DCC to pursue their interests. Many people bought in the area after hearing about the benefits of the choice and the various programs from parents whose kids went through the programs.

But what in the new boundary options influences this? This sounds like you are upset in the regional program change. I am just trying to understand the DCC issues with these options.

DP but the issue is that both the boundary options and the program changes are bad for Einstein (boundary options all increase the FARMS rate at Einstein, some substantially.) Either one on its own might be tolerable, but the combination of the both of them (plus the drop in enrollment due to the boundary changes, which would be fine on its own but just further aggravates these issues in combination) is just going to be a really big blow to Einstein unless one or both of those things changes.

Sorry are you people who are zoned to Einstein don’t want to be and want to be able to go to a different school? Is it that bad of a school?

I don’t see how you could have read that post and drawn this conclusion. I am not the poster who wrote it but I am an Einstein parent. We love our school, and especially the visual and performing arts. Those programs will suffer under the proposed program changes. We also have friends in neighborhoods that will now not go to Einstein anymore under the boundary changes. And all of the changes will result in a smaller school with fewer resources. We’re not trying to move to a new house; we’re trying to protect our current house from being bulldozed.

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Anonymous wrote:It is reasonable for non-DCC parents to care about what the DCC parents might propose if that has an impact on the non-DCC. This thread early in had some significant negative comments from DCC parents regarding BCC and Whitman. Ergo one would expect DCC parents to propose changes that would negatively impact non-DCC.

I think you should stop reading this thread and determine how you feel about the MCPS regional program proposal on its merits. Don't worry , the DCC PTAs are mobilizing to advocate for ourselves. I know that may seem unbelievable to you but it is true. You should advocate for what you think is important.

I have been following those discussions as well. I’m happy that the DCC PTA are mobilizing around them. To me the magnet issues seem to only impact a select few (who can get into magnets/regional programs/whatever we are calling them now) and I therefore am not as moved by the issue (even for my own family).

The magnet is a separate issue and most families don't care as there are about 100 slots per grade. The bonus of the magnet and other programs is because of these programs those schools to offer higher-level courses that all families can try to lottery into. The lottery system with the DCC affords some kids the opportunity to go to schools that have the classes they need so they don't go without. The course offerings between your schools and our schools is very different.

But how many kids in the DCC go to a different school than their one assigned by boundary? That’s still a minority.

DP the data I'm aware of which is quite old is that about a third of students go to a different DCC school than their home school.

It should never happen. 1/3 rd of school population going to differnet school will result in 1-2 schools getting left behind with sub par course offering due to most motivated kids leaving to other schools. It penalizes students who are left behind due to not winning lottery.