Which among WASP would you choose to ED and why?

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Evidence or assumption?

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Evidence or assumption?

For you to just negate the data? Go look up outcome data yourself. It’s public information.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

It added nothing to the discussion

I would say that it added additional confirmatory information that for IB and Consulting there are a half-dozen top SLACs which place extremely well. It also highlighted that for these types of positions Middlebury has risen to the point where it is as strong as any SLAC. Finally it highlights the fact that for kids shooting for careers in these fields the top SLACs also place as well (or better than) as many of the Ivy+ schools.

middlebury results are skewed by kids with family connections taking care of their own. Williams and Amherst grads can break in to banking without these connections - huge difference

I think that was true up to 10-15 years ago (and I am a Midd alum) but now I think the school stands on its own on The Street and the alumni network is very strong so that overcomes coming from nowhere.

Some evidence to support:
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/03/23/the-corporate-raid-on-campus/

Yes, but keep in mind that Midd’s enrollment went up over 10% the last few years; that’s a few hundred more kids each year looking for the same jobs.

It actually didn't go up by a few hundred kids, here is the data directly from the school.
Fall Matriculants
2020 602
2021 680 (This was the year of Covid over enrollment)
2022 639 (This included some students who deferred)
2023 615
2024 598
2025 640 (They opened a new dorm with 50 more beds and this should be the new number going forward)

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

I wonder why you don't present any data or links to support your assertion?

I haven't seen anything from you except empty assertions which govt data shows to be incorrect.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey Mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Do you have something to back that up except your poorly thought out little stew of bias and ignorance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey Mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Do you have something to back that up except your poorly thought out little stew of bias and ignorance?

Omg stop being any and look at their major outcome reports if you’re so worried

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Anonymous wrote:
Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

Pomona and mudd students have autonomous math departments with different resources and rigor

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

Pomona and mudd students have autonomous math departments with different resources and rigor

But they can also take courses in each others schools which is likely what would happen if one was a Pomona student looking to get a Phd.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't do ED if you are not really committed. I keep hearing more stories of regret and no college is a golden ticket.
I think AWS is a better acronym (and more modern in our tech-heavy world). Bluntly, Pomona hasn't really been a peer of the other 3 any more than Wellesley or Bowdoin. Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either. Even just in the rankings game, AWS are the only LACs USNWR has ever ranked 1st and none of them has ever been ranked below 4.

Personally, Swarthmore was clearly my favorite visiting those schools. Its campus is beautiful and its proximity to a city is a big plus for me. It has good STEM options too.

Williams felt isolated even when it wasn't winter. Amherst was nice but the town wasn't great and I ended up preferring Northampton and Smith's campus to Amherst's. The 7 Sisters schools are excellent options and have great name recognition for LACs too.

Your entire Pomona commentary is strange. Overall, Pomona is the best 5C- there’s no competition unless your sole focus is economics or engineering. It has pretty clear academic reasons to be a peer and even superior often than other WASP schools.

Pomona has better outcomes than Bowdoin and Wellesley, similar outcomes to Swarthmore more than Williams (very Econ heavy).

+1, the line “Depending on the academic subject and career field, it isn't necessarily the best of the Claremont Colleges either” Was where I knew the PP was just speaking out of personal bias, because that is true of all the WASP. Williams isn’t #1 in almost any of the academic fields for lac => grad school, doesn’t make it a worse school, obviously. It also doesn’t have the best LAC department in every academic subject, nor do any of the WASP.

These days, Claremont McKenna is ranking #1 for LACs off to wall street and the average salary is very high, but it isn’t a holistic liberal arts college in the way Swat or Pomona are. It’s just a strange comparison- like trying to pin Dartmouth against Caltech.

Absolutely not, three Amherst, Williams, and Middlebury all place as well or better than CMC. You should be proud though, that is some pretty exceptional company for CMC.

Not if you actually look at data: https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-banking. It is great that CMC is amazing at finance, but this is a particularly useless fact for a majority of liberal arts college students.

Here's a similar ranking for analyst placement for IB: https://www.peakframeworks.com/post/ib-target-schools

In the weighted ranking, you'll find Middlebury, CMC, Williams, and Amherst---in that order.

Why choose a list from 2023? Seems disingenuous.

Because that is the last time that PeakFrameworks updated their ranking. Nothing has changed in the past two years.

It added nothing to the discussion

I would say that it added additional confirmatory information that for IB and Consulting there are a half-dozen top SLACs which place extremely well. It also highlighted that for these types of positions Middlebury has risen to the point where it is as strong as any SLAC. Finally it highlights the fact that for kids shooting for careers in these fields the top SLACs also place as well (or better than) as many of the Ivy+ schools.

middlebury results are skewed by kids with family connections taking care of their own. Williams and Amherst grads can break in to banking without these connections - huge difference

I think that was true up to 10-15 years ago (and I am a Midd alum) but now I think the school stands on its own on The Street and the alumni network is very strong so that overcomes coming from nowhere.

Some evidence to support:
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/03/23/the-corporate-raid-on-campus/

Yes, but keep in mind that Midd’s enrollment went up over 10% the last few years; that’s a few hundred more kids each year looking for the same jobs.

It actually didn't go up by a few hundred kids, here is the data directly from the school.
Fall Matriculants
2020 602
2021 680 (This was the year of Covid over enrollment)
2022 639 (This included some students who deferred)
2023 615
2024 598
2025 640 (They opened a new dorm with 50 more beds and this should be the new number going forward)

Sure they did. Look at “Fall Enrollment, First Year Historical,” straight from Institutional Research. https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey Mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Do you have something to back that up except your poorly thought out little stew of bias and ignorance?

Omg stop being any and look at their major outcome reports if you’re so worried

Please enlighten us. Otherwise you are just spouting unsupported nonsense.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

Pomona and mudd students have autonomous math departments with different resources and rigor

But they can also take courses in each others schools which is likely what would happen if one was a Pomona student looking to get a Phd.

So you admit mudd has a better math departments with better outcomes.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey Mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Do you have something to back that up except your poorly thought out little stew of bias and ignorance?

Omg stop being any and look at their major outcome reports if you’re so worried

Please enlighten us. Otherwise you are just spouting unsupported nonsense.

You can find institutional research reports. You’re not a child and know how to find sources.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

Pomona and mudd students have autonomous math departments with different resources and rigor

But they can also take courses in each others schools which is likely what would happen if one was a Pomona student looking to get a Phd.

So you admit mudd has a better math departments with better outcomes.

TRhat would be an unwarranted leap of faith on your part. I just pointed out the reality of the 5C consortium.

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Thanks for presenting your empty credentials but go on the Princeton grad student page and see how difficult it is to find a person with a BA from WASP

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Here are outcomes of recent Swarthmore Alumni. You'll find them at graduate school at MIT, Stanford, Yale, Princeton amongst others.

https://digital.swarthmore.edu/outcomes/

not a single grad at Princeton for a PhD in math, just an operations research PhD at MIT. Lord you people don’t even read your own sources.

Ph.D feeders for math, per capita:
1)CIT
2) Harvey Mudd
3) MIT
4) Pomona
5) Swarthmore
6) Princeton
7) Reed
8) Chicago
9) Carleton
10) St. Olaf

https://www.collegetransitions.com/dataverse/top-feeders-phd-programs#math

Majority are SLACs. Now go away.

The type of grad schools Harvey mudd and Caltech students are getting into is not the same as Pomona or Reed.

Pomona and Mudd students looking to do a Math Phd likely take mostly the same courses in the consortium. You are an idiot.

Pomona and mudd students have autonomous math departments with different resources and rigor

But they can also take courses in each others schools which is likely what would happen if one was a Pomona student looking to get a Phd.

So you admit mudd has a better math departments with better outcomes.

How did you make that inference from PP's comment?

You folks get worked up about the stupidest shit. It's like the smaller the margins of difference (Pomona vs. Mudd math), the sharper the knives.