This is going badly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

Too bad. This is partly your fault. So be quiet.

[Anonymous]

You're not well-informed OP. Turn off Fox News and go to the library. Ask the librarian to teach you how to do research.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

This is crazy. You all just spent four straight years b**ching and moaning about high prices.

Courtesy of Jim Wright:

"How long does it take to build a car factory?

There's a Ford factory, called the BlueOval SK Battery Park, that's been under construction about 50 miles south of Louisville off I-65 for about the last 5 years. It's a $5.8 billion investment. It's not done yet.

That's one factory (well, it's two actually but just go with me) for batteries. Electric vehicles.

So, how long will it take to move the REST of the auto industry back to the US?

How long?

How long to build the factories from the ground up? Land. Permits. Infrastructure. The BlueOval plant I mentioned above will use Gigawatts of power. They had to build transmission lines and increase electrical generation. They had to build new roads including a massive multimillion dollar exit/entrance exchange onto I-65. They had to build train tracks, do you know what that takes? They still have to build the supply lines, including importing raw materials from outside the US, that's ships, port improvements and transportation overland. They have to hire and train 5000 workers.

How long does that take?

A day?

A week?

Years?

That plant and others like it are part of a decades long strategy and investment by Ford.

How long will it take OTHER manufacturers starting from square one? How long will it take to move production when the manufacturer hadn't planned for it or budgeted for it and the economy is in the crapper and they're laying off people and the price of cars is way up, inflation is up, the stock market is tanking, you think the banks are going to hand out the BILLIONS they'll need to borrow? Do you really?

And the parts will still be made overseas, or most of them anyway. Unless you're planning on moving all the subsidiary industry too, everything from electronics to glass to textiles to rubber to paint, et al, yeah? How long will THAT take? Show me the plan. What's that? You haven't even thought about it, let alone drawn up a plan, generated a budget, put together a project team? Huh.

How long will it take?

It's not just cars, of course. It's everything else too. How long will it take to move appliance and electronics manufacturing back to the US? Assuming you actually could.

How long to increase domestic food production? Expand the farms that are currently being sold off field by field for new cookie cutter housing developments? Hire farm workers and you can't use migrant labor, right? And you can't grow certain things here, like coffee and chocolate and bananas, or not all year around like corn, strawberries, tomatoes, etc, those food items used to be seasonal but now Americans can buy them all year around and are used to doing so. That's over. No amount of domestic farming can grow tomatoes at commercial volume in the middle of a Michigan winter. So, you'll eat canned or do without. Speaking of which, think about all those toppings you enjoy on a pizza, where do they come from and can you grow them all here in the US all year around? Now, multiple that problem by everything else. Go ahead.

And so on.

So, how long?

You notice Trump doesn't tell you THAT, right?

You DID notice that Trump didn't tell you how long. And that's by design.

Trump didn't tell you how long will it take.

Because THAT'S how long these tariffs would have to last.

And that's the part he very much doesn't want you to think about.

THAT's how long this trade war would need to go on to make any long term improvement and to actually achieve the goals Trump says are his objective.
THAT'S how long this "little bit of pain" Trump says we must suffer will have to go on. Not a week or month or even a year, but DECADES. Assuming the global economy, or the American one, doesn't implode first, and cause you vastly MORE pain.

You willing to make that sacrifice?

You willing to make that sacrifice so billionaires can have a tax break and grow even more wealthy? It's not like they're going to suffer any pain as the price of groceries go up. It might cost them a couple thousand more to fill up the tanks on their yachts and stock their cupboards with imported Russian caviar, but they'll never be counting pennies to feed their kids. You willing to suffer YEARS of pain for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are you?

You willing to suffer pain for Trump?

How long do you think you can hold out?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

Too bad. This is partly your fault. So be quiet.

lol no it's not

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're not well-informed OP. Turn off Fox News and go to the library. Ask the librarian to teach you how to do research.

DOGE just cut library funding.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

You want some large percentage of the American workforce operating sewing machines? We consume 10% of the world product and 1% of the world population is doing this work. These are not good jobs, very little can be automated. The apparel manufacturing in the US is not better quality, the error rates are significantly higher. Brands that go out of their way to manufacture here make sure their designs are simple. By all means try to live more sustainably or support brands that pay a better wage, but there's no benefit to bringing that work here.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

This is crazy. You all just spent four straight years b**ching and moaning about high prices.

Courtesy of Jim Wright:

"How long does it take to build a car factory?

There's a Ford factory, called the BlueOval SK Battery Park, that's been under construction about 50 miles south of Louisville off I-65 for about the last 5 years. It's a $5.8 billion investment. It's not done yet.

That's one factory (well, it's two actually but just go with me) for batteries. Electric vehicles.

So, how long will it take to move the REST of the auto industry back to the US?

How long?

How long to build the factories from the ground up? Land. Permits. Infrastructure. The BlueOval plant I mentioned above will use Gigawatts of power. They had to build transmission lines and increase electrical generation. They had to build new roads including a massive multimillion dollar exit/entrance exchange onto I-65. They had to build train tracks, do you know what that takes? They still have to build the supply lines, including importing raw materials from outside the US, that's ships, port improvements and transportation overland. They have to hire and train 5000 workers.

How long does that take?

A day?

A week?

Years?

That plant and others like it are part of a decades long strategy and investment by Ford.

How long will it take OTHER manufacturers starting from square one? How long will it take to move production when the manufacturer hadn't planned for it or budgeted for it and the economy is in the crapper and they're laying off people and the price of cars is way up, inflation is up, the stock market is tanking, you think the banks are going to hand out the BILLIONS they'll need to borrow? Do you really?

And the parts will still be made overseas, or most of them anyway. Unless you're planning on moving all the subsidiary industry too, everything from electronics to glass to textiles to rubber to paint, et al, yeah? How long will THAT take? Show me the plan. What's that? You haven't even thought about it, let alone drawn up a plan, generated a budget, put together a project team? Huh.

How long will it take?

It's not just cars, of course. It's everything else too. How long will it take to move appliance and electronics manufacturing back to the US? Assuming you actually could.

How long to increase domestic food production? Expand the farms that are currently being sold off field by field for new cookie cutter housing developments? Hire farm workers and you can't use migrant labor, right? And you can't grow certain things here, like coffee and chocolate and bananas, or not all year around like corn, strawberries, tomatoes, etc, those food items used to be seasonal but now Americans can buy them all year around and are used to doing so. That's over. No amount of domestic farming can grow tomatoes at commercial volume in the middle of a Michigan winter. So, you'll eat canned or do without. Speaking of which, think about all those toppings you enjoy on a pizza, where do they come from and can you grow them all here in the US all year around? Now, multiple that problem by everything else. Go ahead.

And so on.

So, how long?

You notice Trump doesn't tell you THAT, right?

You DID notice that Trump didn't tell you how long. And that's by design.

Trump didn't tell you how long will it take.

Because THAT'S how long these tariffs would have to last.

And that's the part he very much doesn't want you to think about.

THAT's how long this trade war would need to go on to make any long term improvement and to actually achieve the goals Trump says are his objective.
THAT'S how long this "little bit of pain" Trump says we must suffer will have to go on. Not a week or month or even a year, but DECADES. Assuming the global economy, or the American one, doesn't implode first, and cause you vastly MORE pain.

You willing to make that sacrifice?

You willing to make that sacrifice so billionaires can have a tax break and grow even more wealthy? It's not like they're going to suffer any pain as the price of groceries go up. It might cost them a couple thousand more to fill up the tanks on their yachts and stock their cupboards with imported Russian caviar, but they'll never be counting pennies to feed their kids. You willing to suffer YEARS of pain for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are you?

You willing to suffer pain for Trump?

How long do you think you can hold out?"

This is also why Republicans were full of crap for trying to claim that the Chips & Technology Act was a failure. You don't just pass a bill, or institute a tariff, and with a snap of your fingers, fully operational factories staffed with trained workers and mature logistics and supply chains just magically appear out of thin air.

Trump was stupid to just suddenly go full bore into a global trade war with no infrastructure or anything else to back it up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

I grew up blue collar broke in rural nowhere. Reagan was the OG deregulator. And Reagan fired 11,000 striking federal employees - and then banned them for life from ever working for the federal government again. Unions are the lifeline of blue collar workers.

And speaking of unions and labor, workers have a right to organize, but Co-Presidents Trump and Musk did a podcast together before the election where they laughed about (illegally) busting unions. Tell me again about helping workers?

My blue collar family has always been and still is filled with democrats because they know republicans cut taxes for the wealthiest in this country. And while they’re at it, they take away protections from workers. I have lost count of how often I’ve heard Mitch McConnell mutter the phrase “job-killing regulations”. You know what those regulations do? The give you a lunch break. They give you a hard hat if needed. They make the coal mines get inspected to be sure the silica dust is kept to a minimum so you can breathe. Or they used to, because doge is coming for that too, or haven’t you heard?

And while we’re at it, re: 2008 collapse, remind me who was in office Jan 2001-Jan 2009?

Yup. Great day in history. Air Traffic Controllers went on strike and Reagan fired them. EXCELLENT.

Even FDR didn't believe federal employees should be unionized. That's how nutty the democrat party has become over the decades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You're not well-informed OP. Turn off Fox News and go to the library. Ask the librarian to teach you how to do research.

DOGE just cut library funding.

Good. Libraries should not be federalized anyway. Cut the money and send it back to the states.

They should cut Washington DC out of anything and everything they can. It's an overgrown Soviet politburo.

We need a weak federal govt and strong state governments, as the framers intended.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

This is crazy. You all just spent four straight years b**ching and moaning about high prices.

Courtesy of Jim Wright:

"How long does it take to build a car factory?

There's a Ford factory, called the BlueOval SK Battery Park, that's been under construction about 50 miles south of Louisville off I-65 for about the last 5 years. It's a $5.8 billion investment. It's not done yet.

That's one factory (well, it's two actually but just go with me) for batteries. Electric vehicles.

So, how long will it take to move the REST of the auto industry back to the US?

How long?

How long to build the factories from the ground up? Land. Permits. Infrastructure. The BlueOval plant I mentioned above will use Gigawatts of power. They had to build transmission lines and increase electrical generation. They had to build new roads including a massive multimillion dollar exit/entrance exchange onto I-65. They had to build train tracks, do you know what that takes? They still have to build the supply lines, including importing raw materials from outside the US, that's ships, port improvements and transportation overland. They have to hire and train 5000 workers.

How long does that take?

A day?

A week?

Years?

That plant and others like it are part of a decades long strategy and investment by Ford.

How long will it take OTHER manufacturers starting from square one? How long will it take to move production when the manufacturer hadn't planned for it or budgeted for it and the economy is in the crapper and they're laying off people and the price of cars is way up, inflation is up, the stock market is tanking, you think the banks are going to hand out the BILLIONS they'll need to borrow? Do you really?

And the parts will still be made overseas, or most of them anyway. Unless you're planning on moving all the subsidiary industry too, everything from electronics to glass to textiles to rubber to paint, et al, yeah? How long will THAT take? Show me the plan. What's that? You haven't even thought about it, let alone drawn up a plan, generated a budget, put together a project team? Huh.

How long will it take?

It's not just cars, of course. It's everything else too. How long will it take to move appliance and electronics manufacturing back to the US? Assuming you actually could.

How long to increase domestic food production? Expand the farms that are currently being sold off field by field for new cookie cutter housing developments? Hire farm workers and you can't use migrant labor, right? And you can't grow certain things here, like coffee and chocolate and bananas, or not all year around like corn, strawberries, tomatoes, etc, those food items used to be seasonal but now Americans can buy them all year around and are used to doing so. That's over. No amount of domestic farming can grow tomatoes at commercial volume in the middle of a Michigan winter. So, you'll eat canned or do without. Speaking of which, think about all those toppings you enjoy on a pizza, where do they come from and can you grow them all here in the US all year around? Now, multiple that problem by everything else. Go ahead.

And so on.

So, how long?

You notice Trump doesn't tell you THAT, right?

You DID notice that Trump didn't tell you how long. And that's by design.

Trump didn't tell you how long will it take.

Because THAT'S how long these tariffs would have to last.

And that's the part he very much doesn't want you to think about.

THAT's how long this trade war would need to go on to make any long term improvement and to actually achieve the goals Trump says are his objective.
THAT'S how long this "little bit of pain" Trump says we must suffer will have to go on. Not a week or month or even a year, but DECADES. Assuming the global economy, or the American one, doesn't implode first, and cause you vastly MORE pain.

You willing to make that sacrifice?

You willing to make that sacrifice so billionaires can have a tax break and grow even more wealthy? It's not like they're going to suffer any pain as the price of groceries go up. It might cost them a couple thousand more to fill up the tanks on their yachts and stock their cupboards with imported Russian caviar, but they'll never be counting pennies to feed their kids. You willing to suffer YEARS of pain for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are you?

You willing to suffer pain for Trump?

How long do you think you can hold out?"

This is also why Republicans were full of crap for trying to claim that the Chips & Technology Act was a failure. You don't just pass a bill, or institute a tariff, and with a snap of your fingers, fully operational factories staffed with trained workers and mature logistics and supply chains just magically appear out of thin air.

Trump was stupid to just suddenly go full bore into a global trade war with no infrastructure or anything else to back it up.

And what incentive is there for manufacturers to invest in a decades long expensive endeavor if they think that the next administration will overturn all this insanity?

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

I grew up blue collar broke in rural nowhere. Reagan was the OG deregulator. And Reagan fired 11,000 striking federal employees - and then banned them for life from ever working for the federal government again. Unions are the lifeline of blue collar workers.

And speaking of unions and labor, workers have a right to organize, but Co-Presidents Trump and Musk did a podcast together before the election where they laughed about (illegally) busting unions. Tell me again about helping workers?

My blue collar family has always been and still is filled with democrats because they know republicans cut taxes for the wealthiest in this country. And while they’re at it, they take away protections from workers. I have lost count of how often I’ve heard Mitch McConnell mutter the phrase “job-killing regulations”. You know what those regulations do? The give you a lunch break. They give you a hard hat if needed. They make the coal mines get inspected to be sure the silica dust is kept to a minimum so you can breathe. Or they used to, because doge is coming for that too, or haven’t you heard?

And while we’re at it, re: 2008 collapse, remind me who was in office Jan 2001-Jan 2009?

Yup. Great day in history. Air Traffic Controllers went on strike and Reagan fired them. EXCELLENT.

Even FDR didn't believe federal employees should be unionized. That's how nutty the democrat party has become over the decades.

You’ve shown your hand as a right winger and hey, fair enough. But don’t pretend your party is some beacon for the working class. Two billionaires laughing on a podcast about union busting isn’t good for the working class. Bigballs and company shutting down mine safety offices that inspect mines isn’t good for the working class.

God knows democrats can do better but republicans are far worse for working class people. I’ve lived it. I doubt you have.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

You are missing the big picture. It’s bad for Wall Street. But this is going great if you are from Main Street.
No pain, no gain. Finally a president who is fighting for main street.
Manufacturing jobs will have to come back to the US. If these corporations don’t do it, they will keep watching their stock prices sinking.

and you believe this domestic manufacturing boom will manifest itself within what time frame?

It could take years. It’ll be painful but it will make us stronger. Our kids will thank us.
We have been through recessions before and came out stronger. Why are people so scared?

NP. You don't understand that manufacturing ended up in SE Asia because it was cheaper. This was beneficial for the US consumer. "Bringing manufacturing back" will mean that products will cost 5-10x to produce.

It will cost 5-10x more but will be better quality and last longer.
The American dream wasn’t about cheap Chinese products.
Americans will pay more for good quality US made products.

This is crazy. You all just spent four straight years b**ching and moaning about high prices.

Courtesy of Jim Wright:

"How long does it take to build a car factory?

There's a Ford factory, called the BlueOval SK Battery Park, that's been under construction about 50 miles south of Louisville off I-65 for about the last 5 years. It's a $5.8 billion investment. It's not done yet.

That's one factory (well, it's two actually but just go with me) for batteries. Electric vehicles.

So, how long will it take to move the REST of the auto industry back to the US?

How long?

How long to build the factories from the ground up? Land. Permits. Infrastructure. The BlueOval plant I mentioned above will use Gigawatts of power. They had to build transmission lines and increase electrical generation. They had to build new roads including a massive multimillion dollar exit/entrance exchange onto I-65. They had to build train tracks, do you know what that takes? They still have to build the supply lines, including importing raw materials from outside the US, that's ships, port improvements and transportation overland. They have to hire and train 5000 workers.

How long does that take?

A day?

A week?

Years?

That plant and others like it are part of a decades long strategy and investment by Ford.

How long will it take OTHER manufacturers starting from square one? How long will it take to move production when the manufacturer hadn't planned for it or budgeted for it and the economy is in the crapper and they're laying off people and the price of cars is way up, inflation is up, the stock market is tanking, you think the banks are going to hand out the BILLIONS they'll need to borrow? Do you really?

And the parts will still be made overseas, or most of them anyway. Unless you're planning on moving all the subsidiary industry too, everything from electronics to glass to textiles to rubber to paint, et al, yeah? How long will THAT take? Show me the plan. What's that? You haven't even thought about it, let alone drawn up a plan, generated a budget, put together a project team? Huh.

How long will it take?

It's not just cars, of course. It's everything else too. How long will it take to move appliance and electronics manufacturing back to the US? Assuming you actually could.

How long to increase domestic food production? Expand the farms that are currently being sold off field by field for new cookie cutter housing developments? Hire farm workers and you can't use migrant labor, right? And you can't grow certain things here, like coffee and chocolate and bananas, or not all year around like corn, strawberries, tomatoes, etc, those food items used to be seasonal but now Americans can buy them all year around and are used to doing so. That's over. No amount of domestic farming can grow tomatoes at commercial volume in the middle of a Michigan winter. So, you'll eat canned or do without. Speaking of which, think about all those toppings you enjoy on a pizza, where do they come from and can you grow them all here in the US all year around? Now, multiple that problem by everything else. Go ahead.

And so on.

So, how long?

You notice Trump doesn't tell you THAT, right?

You DID notice that Trump didn't tell you how long. And that's by design.

Trump didn't tell you how long will it take.

Because THAT'S how long these tariffs would have to last.

And that's the part he very much doesn't want you to think about.

THAT's how long this trade war would need to go on to make any long term improvement and to actually achieve the goals Trump says are his objective.
THAT'S how long this "little bit of pain" Trump says we must suffer will have to go on. Not a week or month or even a year, but DECADES. Assuming the global economy, or the American one, doesn't implode first, and cause you vastly MORE pain.

You willing to make that sacrifice?

You willing to make that sacrifice so billionaires can have a tax break and grow even more wealthy? It's not like they're going to suffer any pain as the price of groceries go up. It might cost them a couple thousand more to fill up the tanks on their yachts and stock their cupboards with imported Russian caviar, but they'll never be counting pennies to feed their kids. You willing to suffer YEARS of pain for Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are you?

You willing to suffer pain for Trump?

How long do you think you can hold out?"

This is also why Republicans were full of crap for trying to claim that the Chips & Technology Act was a failure. You don't just pass a bill, or institute a tariff, and with a snap of your fingers, fully operational factories staffed with trained workers and mature logistics and supply chains just magically appear out of thin air.

Trump was stupid to just suddenly go full bore into a global trade war with no infrastructure or anything else to back it up.

+1 Mark Cuban has a good video on this.

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Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

Beauty is in the eye of the beidiot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I never liked Trump, but I also very much dislike the Democrats. It'd be too strong to say I was rooting for Trump or that I thought he'd to a good job, but I thought there was a *chance* he'd do a good job, and, for the sake of the country, I was really hoping he would. I didn't vote for him, but I also never seriously considered voting for Harris or Biden. I thought Trump's first term was at moments scary but overall pretty good.

With the wind-up, let me say: geez Louise this is going shittily.

No one in my family who voted for Trump owns any stocks

For all the rich Democrats panicking today- you now know how it must have felt

When Jimmy Carter destroyed 400,000 trucking jobs

When Bill Clinton signed NAFTA, shipping jobs to Mexico and Canada, causing industry to board up in the middle of the country, left to rot

When he deregulated the finance industry and lead us to the 2008 housing crisis

And

When Obama told us: “sorry, some jobs just aren’t coming back”

If you see this post, I hope you look in the mirror at some point today and recognize the destruction your own party has played in the lives of working class Americans

This is what liberation day is all about

No one is going to weep for your stock portfolio

Where were you when we lost our American dream?

I grew up blue collar broke in rural nowhere. Reagan was the OG deregulator. And Reagan fired 11,000 striking federal employees - and then banned them for life from ever working for the federal government again. Unions are the lifeline of blue collar workers.

And speaking of unions and labor, workers have a right to organize, but Co-Presidents Trump and Musk did a podcast together before the election where they laughed about (illegally) busting unions. Tell me again about helping workers?

My blue collar family has always been and still is filled with democrats because they know republicans cut taxes for the wealthiest in this country. And while they’re at it, they take away protections from workers. I have lost count of how often I’ve heard Mitch McConnell mutter the phrase “job-killing regulations”. You know what those regulations do? The give you a lunch break. They give you a hard hat if needed. They make the coal mines get inspected to be sure the silica dust is kept to a minimum so you can breathe. Or they used to, because doge is coming for that too, or haven’t you heard?

And while we’re at it, re: 2008 collapse, remind me who was in office Jan 2001-Jan 2009?

Yup. Great day in history. Air Traffic Controllers went on strike and Reagan fired them. EXCELLENT.

Even FDR didn't believe federal employees should be unionized. That's how nutty the democrat party has become over the decades.

Take a time out to pause and actually think about how out of joint you are with the PP and with reality.