How many actual “late term” terminations actually happen? Actual reasons?

[Anonymous]

One side of the debate sends people to work in planned parenthood and lie about their experiences. They take undercover video and edit it to create a fake news story and lie to the electorate.

And one side does an ernest, good faith study, without a thought about how the other side operates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

The data is weak because in many cases no reason is given, but then it is incorrectly reflected in the data as "elective" which is not necessarily correct.

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Anonymous wrote:If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

This is the real issue. People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.

OP again. This is the claim I’d like to fact-check.

How many third-trimester terminations are for reasons OTHER THAN birth defects or physical health of the mother?

No has answered that yet.

DP I think the simple answer to your question is that nobody knows because nobody is keeping track of this data.

OP again. Thx.

Sadly, people littered this thread with political statements even after I said not to. And while some information has been shared (thx again), we still do not have facts, which makes debating this kinda pointless.

My guess is you are probably right: no one is keeping track of this data.

If so, there really is no reliable answer to my question: how many third-trimester terminations are purely elective.

Unless someone can post some actual data in answer to my question, there’s no longer much point to anyone posting (again: stop posting political responses! This is about ascertaining basic facts. That’s all).

Heres my thing OP. Your obsession with elective is clouding the fact there are REAL reasons to have a 3rd trimester abortion. And by focusing on elective, which OB/GYNs dont do in 3rd trimester, you take from women who are experiencing real pain and loss. Its grotesque. And you WANT to find elective people so that you can say well if there are 4 people having elective abortions then no one should get it because deep down you dont actually agree with abortion.

People dont have 25-35k and weeks off. Every fed employee who has fed insurance wouldnt be able to get it covered and is unable to get any abortion covered.

And people who want an elective abortion will find a back alley provider or conduct infanticide. You arent thinking rationally. Rationally, someone who wants to abort a fetus- ELECTIVELY- will find a way to do it or will kill an unwanted child because no one grows a fetus in their belly and electively says No, put me under, kill a healthy child, heres 30k plus 1-2 weeks to recover.

Theres your rational answer and facts.

Your response is NOT a factual response to the request for mathematical data this thread is premised upon.

Why couldn’t you simply have said: “I do not know the answer. Here’s my opinion?”

And furthermore, you don’t know me. My sibling had an abortion. My ex had an abortion. I offered to accompany a close friend to her scheduled PP appointment and promised to hold her hand during a termination and help get her through it (she miscarried prior to the appt though).

Why do so many of you fail to read / comprehend ? I AM PRO CHOICE!!

What I’m asking is a simple FACTUAL question about 3rd Trimester / 27 weeks-numbers, WITHOUT politics, but instead all I get is opinions and politics.

If you don’t know, don’t post.

Did you read the linked study from the lady who talked to 3rd trimester abortion recipients? There is no universal data collection on these things I work on a cancer screening and prevention program for underinsured and uninsured women, and it takes lots of money and funding to collect and process the data you are asking for.

The biggest hump to collecting this data is that all abortion providers after the 3rd trimester are private businesses. Any federal insurance- whether for employees or for those who receive medicaid/medicare- does not allow for use of the insurance to receive an abortion (AT ANY STAGE!) which would be the easiest way to track and extrapolate the data you seem obsessed with.

Improving access to healthcare- including abortions- for all women would decrease the statistically insignificant number of 3rd trimester abortions to begin with. Finding out you are pregnant sooner and being able to access care effectively and quickly are literally the determinants to when abortions occur. Funds are also a huge determining factor. If you have to come up with 1k because you have to pay OOP, its not happening.

Just clarifying that ALL abortion providers are private businesses not just 3rd trimester. My understanding is they cant be compelled to provide that data, even if the CDC wanted to collect it due to privacy but someone with a law degree can correct me if necessary.

Thank you, and I think this is an important point here (I’m the OP btw).

I agreed with someone on page 2 or so who posited probably no one is keeping track of the numbers, so there probably is no clear answer.

I was still hoping maybe someone knew, or had a reliable data-set for an accurate estimate. But your point is well-taken and AGAIN: I agree:

- it does not appear the number is available because no one is keeping track (not even the CDC).

And since we all agree this is a private matter between the person having the abortion and their doctor (again - I AM pro choice), my thought is: it’s probably impossible and maybe better that the government is not keeping track. I believe we should keep it that way.

However, not knowing the number of elective 3rd trimester terminations people are having leaves the debate more open to emotional arguments (from both sides).

I’ve asked repeatedly to keep politics out of this. Unfortunately, politics benefits when we can’t even nail down the facts.

Thanks to those who have at least tried to illuminate the issue, so people can make their own choices (and have I mentioned I’m pro choice yet?).

Hon. Hon.

We do know how many elective third trimester abortions there are: zero.

Flat out false. Here’s one example from the Kimport survey: “When Veronica presented for her abortion appointment, the ultrasound worker determined that she was 25 weeks pregnant. Veronica needed an abortion in the third trimester because the fact that she was pregnant was new information to her when she was already 25 weeks pregnant.”

25 weeks is still the 2nd trimester. 3rd trimester begins at 27 weeks.