How many actual “late term” terminations actually happen? Actual reasons?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think people get the results from a 20 week anatomy scan immediately. As I recall it took a week to get results, and then if you get bad news, you set up appointments with your doctors to understand the results, you might agonize over the decision of whether to terminate or not... that can easily take a week or so.

I have a ton of sympathy for people who get fetal abnormality results at the 20 week anatomy scan. Those women should do whatever they feel is best.

I feel the same way; I am the OP.

Since becoming a parent , these heartbreaking situations just seem to affect me so much more; those poor parents! It must be a terrible thing to go through; I can’t even imagine.

So why are you asking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Might help if you understood the lingo better. It’s trimester. Not term.

Viability begins around week 23/24. That is still the second trimester. That is the point until Roe protected the right to abortion. You are asking about third trimester abortions because of anti-abortion misinformation counting on people like you who don’t understand pregnancy. (Or you are a troll. Which is probably more like it.)

Assuming the former, try to find an abortion care provider who performs abortion willy nilly weeks after the point of viability, say weeks 27/28 which is when the third trimester that you are interested in begins. Come back when you’ve located one.

This. There are very, very few providers that will do third trimester abortions at all and the cost is something like $25k-$35k.

+1 After Dr. Tiller was murdered I think there are only two left in the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

My apologies; I am pro choice so I will use “third trimester” instead. Thx.

I am genuinely interested in what the numbers are for 3rd trimester - looks like a very small percentage (smaller than I thought) but a percentage is not a number.

Also curious how many are medically necessary and how many are purely elective. Can we help define the issue with facts here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

My apologies; I am pro choice so I will use “third trimester” instead. Thx.

I am genuinely interested in what the numbers are for 3rd trimester - looks like a very small percentage (smaller than I thought) but a percentage is not a number.

Also curious how many are medically necessary and how many are purely elective. Can we help define the issue with facts here?

Why this ghoulish fascination?

[Anonymous]

So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

[Anonymous]

The ONLY reason anyone gets a third trimester abortion is if the fetus is not viable or the health of the mother is at risk.

At that point, people are thinking of names, painting rooms and getting ready to have a baby.

It is only the very dark world of the MAGA right where people with otherwise viable fetuses terminate that late.

it is really sick and perverse.

[Anonymous]

If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

I know the answer, but do his followers? Presumably some of them believe the Democrats are OK with executing full grown babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

I know the answer, but do his followers? Presumably some of them believe the Democrats are OK with executing full grown babies.

His flock of lemmings aren’t exactly Mensa members……

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

This is the real issue. People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So, when Trump claims that Democrats support abortion "up to and even beyond the ninth month" and suggests that this includes the "execution" of babies after birth, is he lying?

I mean, the man's mouth is moving...you know the answer to this question

I know the answer, but do his followers? Presumably some of them believe the Democrats are OK with executing full grown babies.

This issue, like many other issues, are immune from facts among many conservatives because it's such a part of their identity. Abortion as a political issue was a deliberate conservative effort to build an enduring conservative voting block among evangelicals. This is well-documented:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/03/21/life-conception-christian-theology-00147804

The guy who wrote that article, Bradley Onishi, has a podcast and a book that talk about evangelicals and politics. It's fascinating and a little scary/sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Copied from another thread:

Here’s a study from Guttmacher showing the reasons women seek abortions after 20 weeks and it was about logistical delays not deformities.

https://onlinelibrary.wil...63/4521013

Here’s KFF

“Individuals seek abortions later in pregnancy for a number of reasons. As part of the Turnaway study out of the University of California San Francisco, from 2008-2010 over 440 women were asked about why they experienced delays in obtaining abortion care, if any (Figure 4). Almost half of individuals who obtained an abortion after 20 weeks did not suspect they were pregnant until later in pregnancy, and other barriers to care included lack of information about where to access an abortion, transportation difficulties, lack of insurance coverage and inability to pay for the procedure. A 2022 study of patients seeking abortions later in pregnancy found that they fell into two categories: either they had learned new information about their pregnancies that made them no longer desirable, such as not finding out they were pregnant until very late in the pregnancy or the emergence of serious fetal or their own health issue; or experiencing barriers to abortion services earlier in the pregnancy that force them to delay the abortion until the third trimester.“

Thank you; I appreciate that. At least it helps illuminate the issue better, and provide some reasons behind the phenomenon, to better understand it.

And please understand that “late term abortion” is a phrase used by anti-abortionists and that abortions in the third trimester which starts after week 27 when fetuses are at the point of viability are exceptionally rare and you would find almost no provider who would perform them that late and for no serious reason.

My apologies; I am pro choice so I will use “third trimester” instead. Thx.

I am genuinely interested in what the numbers are for 3rd trimester - looks like a very small percentage (smaller than I thought) but a percentage is not a number.

Also curious how many are medically necessary and how many are purely elective. Can we help define the issue with facts here?

You'd have to go state by state and collect the data as well as define "medically necessary." Here's a chart of all the laws in all the states:

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/state-indicator/gestational-limit-abortions/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

[Anonymous]

NP. This is an issue for me too, OP. I’m very pro-choice in first semester and I think women should be allowed to terminate at the anatomy scan (which is not always at 20 weeks, could be 1-2 weeks later to be fair). After that point, I think abortions should be banned unless there’s a very compelling medical reason for the baby or the mother.

I also hear things like “that almost never happens! Right wing talking point!” and if that’s true, I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with a law against it. It’s either happening or it’s not. And it shouldn’t, IMO.

I read something that said the vast majority of Americans have this middle of the road, sensible view on abortion. So I don’t know why we need to choose between one extreme or the other. The crazies on both sides drive me nuts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If half of abortions occurring in the second trimester, after 20 weeks, are the result of not having the funds to get an abortion, then you definitely aren’t paying for a 20,000 plus procedure in the third trimester.

This is the real issue. People are getting abortions late for reasons OTHER than birth defects or health of mother.

OP again. This is the claim I’d like to fact-check.

How many third-trimester terminations are for reasons OTHER THAN birth defects or physical health of the mother?

No has answered that yet.