School Asking DC To Mask To Accomodate An Other

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Imagine it is your child, and they are trying to have a "normal" life and that could be made possible by being in a mask wearing class.

What are we teaching our kids here? To be put off by thinking of others?

There is absolutely no way that the school would ask this if the kid just wanted to mask because of covid and nothing else.

Seems like it is only part of your child's day.

there’s absolutely no proof that masking will help the child in question.

well their doctors obviously disagree but i'm sure you know what's best for this child you don't even know

individual medical doctors generally don’t do things like read the scientific literature on masking. they take the perspective of “do anything that could possibly help.” they aren’t considering the impact on others, just their patient. the ADA however does not require this perspective but instead looks to what is “reasonable.”

are you a doctor? or a lawyer?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would tell my child to mask and do the right thing. Part of growing up is being respectful to others
needs. But, you need to move your child. The other child deserves to have kids with nice parents in the classroom.

I disagree. Why cause my child to suffer so he can be “respectful of others”? The kid needs to be homeschooled if it’s that dire.

Wow. What if it were your kid?

NP

If it was my kid, I would find a situation that works for him/her without impacting anyone else.
I was going through chemo during Covid and never ever asked anyone to test/mask up/maintain distance. It wasn’t their problem, it was mine. I’m not the center of the universe. Neither is the child.

except you're not in public school and this child is, where they have a right to be.

too bad your own experience didn't give you any compassion for this child

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Please move your child to a different class so that the family and sick child don’t have to deal with your toxicity

Talk about drama. It’s not toxicity. It’s a ridiculous ask.

No, it’s reasonable to ask. We would agree and if we heard about it we would transfer our child to the class to support another family. I teach my kids kindness.

It's resonable to ask if the kid has cancer. It's ridiculous to ask if the kid has a mom obsessed with the whole liberal image- masking years after the pandemic ended.

The family could choose to divulge the reason. If they don't, that tells you all you need to know.

and open the poor kid up to YOUR meanness and scrutiny? just so you can say, oh it's not that serious of a cancer, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds the same as asking your child not to bring nuts into lunch. Everyone complies with that not questions asked. Just think of it like that.

But it's just not like that. Masks impede the ability to communicate, to understand and to make yourself heard. Not eating a peanut butter sandwich just doesn't have the same short and long term impacts. And for those of us that are dealing with speech issues caused by masking in the early years, asking someone to take this on is a REALLY big ask.

that's why they are giving you an out. if this doesn't work for your kid for one freakin class, then move them to another one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine it is your child, and they are trying to have a "normal" life and that could be made possible by being in a mask wearing class.

What are we teaching our kids here? To be put off by thinking of others?

There is absolutely no way that the school would ask this if the kid just wanted to mask because of covid and nothing else.

Seems like it is only part of your child's day.

there’s absolutely no proof that masking will help the child in question.

well their doctors obviously disagree but i'm sure you know what's best for this child you don't even know

individual medical doctors generally don’t do things like read the scientific literature on masking. they take the perspective of “do anything that could possibly help.” they aren’t considering the impact on others, just their patient. the ADA however does not require this perspective but instead looks to what is “reasonable.”

are you a doctor? or a lawyer?

yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For one class = maybe an hour and a half a couple of times a week. If your child cannot handle that level of "suffering", then they will have a very rough road ahead for the next 70+ years.

What if this kid is in multiple classes? Or a different kid in each class?
The concern appears to be more that the need for masking is based on wanting to continue COVID masking than an actual medical condition.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wearing a mask hides your face, making it impossible to read expressions, and for other kids to read yours. It also muffles the voice, making it hard to understand and be understood. Not worth it if you’re healthy.

It is worth not getting sick for a week.


NIH:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8892938/

Interesting enough this states" However, children aged 7 to 13 years have been shown to be able to make accurate inferences about the emotions of others with partially covered faces"

Really, you think not getting a cold for a week is worth masking of children? My profoundly speech delayed child has something they would liketo try to say but for that mask in their way.

Yes, I do as a parent of a child with a language disorder. Your child has not masked for two years and never at home. Find a new reason to blame. Mine is fine masking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not know what district you are in - may have missed - but the ACLU ruling only applies to these ten districts: The 10 school districts affected by the ruling are Albemarle County Public Schools, Manassas City Public Schools, Henrico County Public Schools, Chesterfield County Public Schools, Cumberland County Public Schools, York County School Division, Bedford County Public Schools, Chesapeake City Public Schools, Loudoun County Public Schools and Fairfax County Public Schools. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/03/24/virgina-masking-school-aclu-suit/

The issue at this point is obviously the concerning lack of data that children masking prevents any sort of spread - esp as they take them off to eat etc. And when the vaccine is available to every school-aged high-risk child that needs it plus boosters - why ask others to to mask for you? Does this child go anywhere besides school, if so, then they are surrounded by non-masked. Children already have a low r-naught (see Catalonia study as example).

The high-risk child can mask themselves as well if the parents feel like asking them to do that. There are no studies showing kid's wearing non-fit tested masks are reducing spread. All the MMWR's and observational studies the CDC promoted of schools - when the timelines are expanded - show no reduction in spread/positive tests in mask mandated districts vs mask optional. And any observational studies done in 2020 or 2021 were using cloth masks so we can immediately see that a supposed effect is suspect. When you dig in deeper you'll see that their contract tracing only tested post-exposure of non-masked students - immediately confounding results.

Asking parents to make their students mask is a virtue signal at best at this point in 2023. COVID is endemic; it will be around the entire life of that child. Almost every child has had at this point per serological data. They can be vaccinated. They can mask themselves.

This is not justifiable from a public health perspective at this point.

They didn't say the masking was about COVID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish they worked. I really do. But unfortunately trial after randomized trial show they don’t.

They don’t work for flu (decades of research shows that), they barely work for wildfire smoke (and they need to be n95 for that). Unfortunately the data shows they are not an effective mitigation measure. I wish this child the very very best and I hope the vaccine is effective for them, but asking others to wear masks for them isn’t doing anything to keep them safer.

Then why are they required for visitors to ICU, pre-2020?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This sounds the same as asking your child not to bring nuts into lunch. Everyone complies with that not questions asked. Just think of it like that.

But it's just not like that. Masks impede the ability to communicate, to understand and to make yourself heard. Not eating a peanut butter sandwich just doesn't have the same short and long term impacts. And for those of us that are dealing with speech issues caused by masking in the early years, asking someone to take this on is a REALLY big ask.

that's why they are giving you an out. if this doesn't work for your kid for one freakin class, then move them to another one.

+1

Freakin anti-masker whiner

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they worked. I really do. But unfortunately trial after randomized trial show they don’t.

They don’t work for flu (decades of research shows that), they barely work for wildfire smoke (and they need to be n95 for that). Unfortunately the data shows they are not an effective mitigation measure. I wish this child the very very best and I hope the vaccine is effective for them, but asking others to wear masks for them isn’t doing anything to keep them safer.

Then why are they required for visitors to ICU, pre-2020?

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To keep a painstakingly maintained sterile environment sterile. Complete with separate air handlers and filters and gowns. No school is that kind of sterile environment. No one would put an icu patient in a classroom full of masked kids. That’s why this request makes no sense. A parent is asking for it, and the kid could simply have a diagnosis of asthma for all we know. It’s not a reasonable accommodation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Imagine it is your child, and they are trying to have a "normal" life and that could be made possible by being in a mask wearing class.

What are we teaching our kids here? To be put off by thinking of others?

There is absolutely no way that the school would ask this if the kid just wanted to mask because of covid and nothing else.

Seems like it is only part of your child's day.

there’s absolutely no proof that masking will help the child in question.

well their doctors obviously disagree but i'm sure you know what's best for this child you don't even know

individual medical doctors generally don’t do things like read the scientific literature on masking. they take the perspective of “do anything that could possibly help.” they aren’t considering the impact on others, just their patient. the ADA however does not require this perspective but instead looks to what is “reasonable.”

are you a doctor? or a lawyer?

yes

Which one? Dr? Lawyer? What specialty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish they worked. I really do. But unfortunately trial after randomized trial show they don’t.

They don’t work for flu (decades of research shows that), they barely work for wildfire smoke (and they need to be n95 for that). Unfortunately the data shows they are not an effective mitigation measure. I wish this child the very very best and I hope the vaccine is effective for them, but asking others to wear masks for them isn’t doing anything to keep them safer.

Then why are they required for visitors to ICU, pre-2020?

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To keep a painstakingly maintained sterile environment sterile. Complete with separate air handlers and filters and gowns. No school is that kind of sterile environment. No one would put an icu patient in a classroom full of masked kids. That’s why this request makes no sense. A parent is asking for it, and the kid could simply have a diagnosis of asthma for all we know. It’s not a reasonable accommodation.

The school determined it’s reasonable accommodation. It’s not your call. You have no info to say they are wrong.

There is no way a school would grant this accommodation if it’s not a very well documented and serious medical situation. They don’t do this for mild asthma.

You’re just an anti masker with zero compassion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I got an email asking my child to wear a mask in a certain class becuse another child had a 'medical situation'. If we decline, DC will be moved to another class.

Am I wrong to be put off by this? A 'medical situation', without further explanation, could be anything between luekemia and being the child of one of those drama queens that won't let go of the mask because of the politics behind it. I won't force my kid to endure another year of masking to support the latter but I would bend over backwars to accomodate the former.

How do I go about answering the request?

Is this a serious question? You’re not entitled to know this kid’s private medical info so you can decide for yourself if their accommodation is truly needed in your non expert view.

But you can assume it’s very needed and a serious medical situation, think cancer or transplant. Schools don’t grant this accommodation easily.

So you can have your kid mask with a good attitude to help a fellow human- and your kid is more protected to boot with a new variant and riding cases- or if you/they can’t handle that, move classes. Your options are pretty clear so I don’t get the question.

[Anonymous]

“The number of kids seeking psychiatric emergency care has grown from ~30 a month in recent years to 30 a day.

You can’t treat children like dirty vectors of disease constantly & think they’ll be ok.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/emergency-room-doctors-beg-help-treating-children-mental-health-illnes-rcna99951