Actors' strike

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like the trees were trimmed without a city permit. I see a big fine in Universal's future with Meijia as Auditor:

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2023-07-18/sag-aftra-wga-nlrb-complaint-universal-pickets


I hope the city nails Universal with a huge fine. The company is being incredibly spiteful, cutting back trees which had provided shade to picketers in intense heat.


Universal claims the trees are trimmed annually this time of year.


Already stories in the LA Times and other places noting that the city says Universal did not have the required city permits to do its own trimming of those trees. The trees are on city property; businesses can trim them but only with a city permit. Universal didn't have one. The timing is also terrible; article after article noting that these are ficus which should not be trimmed in July-Aug. heat; it damages the trees.

Let's not be naive about Universal's motivation here.

They also started their (already planned) construction project which shuts down a lot of sidewalk and access between gates; the LA police dept. has asked them to use barriers to create pedestrian lanes not only for the picketers but for everyone -- NO pedestrians can walk along a large swath of the road on that side. It's typical for a business to have to create a pedestrian walking lane when it does construction work that cuts off sidewalks. Wonder why Universal is balking, despite the LAPD wanting such lanes?


Well, Mejia hit them with the only fine he could and it was only $250 but it made NBCUniversal look really bad in the public's eye and it will go higher if they do it again:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/universal-studios-fined-insane-amount-over-tree-trimming-near-location-of-ongoing-strike/ar-AA1eesby


Excellent. They deserve to be called out. Thanks for the article. I note that Universal claims it started putting up awnings and providing water for picketers as of this past week -- when the strikes began (with the WGA) at the very start of May....How thoughtful, I guess?
And still no pedestrian lanes.


It's dangerous for pedestrians and the drivers that are trying to avoid them. I avoid driving by those picket lines when I can.
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Anonymous wrote:I may just turn off my tv entirely for the duration. When AI comes for my job, I’d like the support of the other workers. When it comes for my sons’ job, I’d like them to have society’s support as well. It doesn’t matter how overpaid some celebrities are. What matters is that human work needs to continue to be valued for society to function.



We stopped watching network tv years ago and either watch the few cable shows with the few decent American actors or streaming services with the few decent American actors but mostly foreign shows. Same with movies. I can barely watch the basic American shows because the acting, especially, is so bad compared to foreign actors.

An “A List” Hollywood actor was on a British show I watch and the humblest actor with three lines outperformed her.

We have exported so much business overseas, why not entertainment.
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Anonymous wrote:I just saw the video with Mandy Moore who said she's received streaming residual checks for This Is Us for as little as $0.01.

Unreal!


Mandy Moore made 4.5 million per season for This is Us. More money than most human beings on this Earth will see in a lifetime of working. How much more do you think she deserves "up front" to make up for low residuals? It is hard to feel sorry for her. If she doesn't like the residual check, maybe she should find another career.


Point goes over head! If Many Moore, the star, is only making that, what do you think the lower billed actors are making? What you are doing is using an exception to prove a rule. Not cool.


+1

The PP who doesn't get that not everyone is paid at Mandy Moore level should see this post by an actress, Michelle Hurd, who is in steady work, but still cannot always meet the minimum annual income from acting she needs to qualify for work-based health insurance.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cu1mWUWNDlO/

She points out, for example, that for a guest shot in an episode, actors make between about $5,000 and $8,000, one time. So if she books three guest shots, three episodes, in a year, she appears to be doing well, but even at the top of that pay scale she would still fall just short of the $26k she has to earn by acting to get health insurance coverage through her work (via the union). The pay scale is not about her, her experience, etc. It's fixed by the studios and producers. (And I would add -- she'd need other sources of income because who lives on $24,000 a year anywhere, much less LA, NY or any large US city with TV and film production facilities?)



Why doesn’t she use Obama care? Many people don’t even have the option of union health insurance.
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Anonymous wrote:I saw Broadway actors may strike soon.

This is more devastating to me than the actor's strike. I have tickets to several shows this summer and travel plans made.

Writers, actors, Broadway, and UPS all on strike at once... the world will fall apart!


let’s hope teachers don’t get any ideas!


Lots of educated Ukrainians and Ghanaians would love to teach in the States. My sister lives in Manhattan and her kids are at Stuyvesant. All the good teachers are from overseas
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Anonymous wrote:I saw Broadway actors may strike soon.

This is more devastating to me than the actor's strike. I have tickets to several shows this summer and travel plans made.

Writers, actors, Broadway, and UPS all on strike at once... the world will fall apart!


let’s hope teachers don’t get any ideas!


Lots of educated Ukrainians and Ghanaians would love to teach in the States. My sister lives in Manhattan and her kids are at Stuyvesant. All the good teachers are from overseas


UPS is next.
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Anonymous wrote:I just saw the video with Mandy Moore who said she's received streaming residual checks for This Is Us for as little as $0.01.

Unreal!


Mandy Moore made 4.5 million per season for This is Us. More money than most human beings on this Earth will see in a lifetime of working. How much more do you think she deserves "up front" to make up for low residuals? It is hard to feel sorry for her. If she doesn't like the residual check, maybe she should find another career.


I still don’t understand why actors deserve residuals. I believe Jack Nicholson didn’t get paid for Batman. Instead he asked for residuals and made more that way than a lump sum. RDJ made more from Iron Man. residuals a year after the release than any working actor in HW. The rich actors can take that risk since they already have money. I’m sure if the studio knew what the residuals were going to be they wouldn’t have agreed.

Pay everyone up front and leave residuals out of it. I don’t get paid from any of my previous jobs for the contributions I made to the company’s success.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I just saw the video with Mandy Moore who said she's received streaming residual checks for This Is Us for as little as $0.01.

Unreal!


Mandy Moore made 4.5 million per season for This is Us. More money than most human beings on this Earth will see in a lifetime of working. How much more do you think she deserves "up front" to make up for low residuals? It is hard to feel sorry for her. If she doesn't like the residual check, maybe she should find another career.


I still don’t understand why actors deserve residuals. I believe Jack Nicholson didn’t get paid for Batman. Instead he asked for residuals and made more that way than a lump sum. RDJ made more from Iron Man. residuals a year after the release than any working actor in HW. The rich actors can take that risk since they already have money. I’m sure if the studio knew what the residuals were going to be they wouldn’t have agreed.

Pay everyone up front and leave residuals out of it. I don’t get paid from any of my previous jobs for the contributions I made to the company’s success.


Residuals are protection for the studios. They cut down the amount they pay up front to actors and they only have to pay extra for shows that are successful. You're looking at the success stories. But for every one of those, there are dozens or hundreds of shows that fail, e.g. make less than the cost of producing. Many of those shows never hit syndication, don't get rerun and don't pay out residuals. For anything that just barely breaks even or less, it saves the production companies a ton of money. They paid the actors less up front and they owe them nothing for an unsuccessful show, e.g. they cut their losses. If they had to pay more up front, all those unsuccessful shows would sink the companies because they'd be recording huge losses for those failed shows. There are also shows so bad in ratings that they get cut before the full run. So a show may have had 10 episodes, but the ratings are bad and only 3-5 are shown before the show gets pulled and they sub another show, another pilot, or a popular rerun in the slot. For those shows, paying lower up front and not paying any residuals for the unaired episodes also saves the production company a lot of money.

There are far more unsuccessful shows than successful ones. This is how production companies stay in business when they have a string of flops and only have 1-2 good shows in a season.

The successful shows and the top A-listers are the small minority of the population. Over 140K of the 160K SAG-AFTRA membership are within the danger zone of losing health benefits and also not earning any residuals from streaming productions. It's a major source of profit for the streaming production companies to skimp on paying the talent. You can't just the industry based on the RDJs and Cavills of the industry. That's like saying that we should determine what pay and benefits you deserve based on what the top A-listers in the field can afford.
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Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG) has some good things to say about the issues.

https://www.cbr.com/star-treks-gates-mcfadden-wil-wheaton-reunite-on-the-sag-aftra-picket-lines/

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just saw the video with Mandy Moore who said she's received streaming residual checks for This Is Us for as little as $0.01.

Unreal!


Mandy Moore made 4.5 million per season for This is Us. More money than most human beings on this Earth will see in a lifetime of working. How much more do you think she deserves "up front" to make up for low residuals? It is hard to feel sorry for her. If she doesn't like the residual check, maybe she should find another career.


I still don’t understand why actors deserve residuals. I believe Jack Nicholson didn’t get paid for Batman. Instead he asked for residuals and made more that way than a lump sum. RDJ made more from Iron Man. residuals a year after the release than any working actor in HW. The rich actors can take that risk since they already have money. I’m sure if the studio knew what the residuals were going to be they wouldn’t have agreed.

Pay everyone up front and leave residuals out of it. I don’t get paid from any of my previous jobs for the contributions I made to the company’s success.

In those cases they did backend deals, not a residual deal. The actor gambled by taking a cut to their usual rate, with the expectation that they'd make more by taking a percentage of the profit. Residuals are different. Every time a film or show is viewed, it generates revenue, and that revenue is split between all the artists involved in creating it.

I don't make anything off of what I contributed to previous companies, because I sold my intellectual property to them when I signed an agreement for the duration I worked for them. In Hollywood, it's more like a licensing agreement, so everyone continues to get their cut in perpetuity.
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Anonymous wrote:Wil Wheaton (Wesley Crusher from Star Trek TNG) has some good things to say about the issues.

https://www.cbr.com/star-treks-gates-mcfadden-wil-wheaton-reunite-on-the-sag-aftra-picket-lines/



DP. Glad you posted this. People who think "A-listers" in TV and streaming shows are all making bank should read it. He points out that as a teen supporting actor on "Star Trek: TNG" in the 80s he was making more than the leads of some series are making today. And it's because of how the system for compensating actors is now set up, largely due to streaming. Folks, read his explanation and experiences.
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Anyone have a list of the writers/actors want vs what is being offered?
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Silly question - I see a lot of celebs on the picket line taking and posting pictures. They are all smiling and having fun in each. While it’s nice that they are supporting the cause and especially those working actors who don’t make as much as they do, shouldn’t they be more serious about it? For the regular working class actor, they are losing money they need due to the strike and also would lose lots more money in the future if the studios don’t compromise on what they want.
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Anonymous wrote:Silly question - I see a lot of celebs on the picket line taking and posting pictures. They are all smiling and having fun in each. While it’s nice that they are supporting the cause and especially those working actors who don’t make as much as they do, shouldn’t they be more serious about it? For the regular working class actor, they are losing money they need due to the strike and also would lose lots more money in the future if the studios don’t compromise on what they want.


Some say the A-listers shouldn’t be there as it’s multi-millionaires asking for more money. Mariska is there and she’s A-list for tv and worth millions. I think the A-listers should be there as it would get more coverage on the news.

It’s clear they want more money but no idea what they want versus what is being offered.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I just saw the video with Mandy Moore who said she's received streaming residual checks for This Is Us for as little as $0.01.

Unreal!


Mandy Moore made 4.5 million per season for This is Us. More money than most human beings on this Earth will see in a lifetime of working. How much more do you think she deserves "up front" to make up for low residuals? It is hard to feel sorry for her. If she doesn't like the residual check, maybe she should find another career.


I still don’t understand why actors deserve residuals. I believe Jack Nicholson didn’t get paid for Batman. Instead he asked for residuals and made more that way than a lump sum. RDJ made more from Iron Man. residuals a year after the release than any working actor in HW. The rich actors can take that risk since they already have money. I’m sure if the studio knew what the residuals were going to be they wouldn’t have agreed.

Pay everyone up front and leave residuals out of it. I don’t get paid from any of my previous jobs for the contributions I made to the company’s success.


Residuals are protection for the studios. They cut down the amount they pay up front to actors and they only have to pay extra for shows that are successful. You're looking at the success stories. But for every one of those, there are dozens or hundreds of shows that fail, e.g. make less than the cost of producing. Many of those shows never hit syndication, don't get rerun and don't pay out residuals. For anything that just barely breaks even or less, it saves the production companies a ton of money. They paid the actors less up front and they owe them nothing for an unsuccessful show, e.g. they cut their losses. If they had to pay more up front, all those unsuccessful shows would sink the companies because they'd be recording huge losses for those failed shows. There are also shows so bad in ratings that they get cut before the full run. So a show may have had 10 episodes, but the ratings are bad and only 3-5 are shown before the show gets pulled and they sub another show, another pilot, or a popular rerun in the slot. For those shows, paying lower up front and not paying any residuals for the unaired episodes also saves the production company a lot of money.

There are far more unsuccessful shows than successful ones. This is how production companies stay in business when they have a string of flops and only have 1-2 good shows in a season.

The successful shows and the top A-listers are the small minority of the population. Over 140K of the 160K SAG-AFTRA membership are within the danger zone of losing health benefits and also not earning any residuals from streaming productions. It's a major source of profit for the streaming production companies to skimp on paying the talent. You can't just the industry based on the RDJs and Cavills of the industry. That's like saying that we should determine what pay and benefits you deserve based on what the top A-listers in the field can afford.


Sounds like the studios need to be smarter picking projects.
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Anonymous wrote:Anyone have a list of the writers/actors want vs what is being offered?

WGA proposal with AMPTP counter
SAG-AFTRA proposal with AMPTP counter
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