New bike lane on Old Georgetown Rd in Bethesda

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nope.

Build them all you want—cause even more and more traffic for people who have to go to work for a living in a timely manner.

People who want to get to work and not be a sweaty stinky mess (because let’s face it you are when you show up at the office, so gross!). People who use old Georgetown Road to get from their neighborhood to either 270 or 495 to go to their jobs. Why don’t they live next-door to their jobs? Good question. Jobs move. People change jobs. People have a spouse who works at a job in a different direction. Also, When you don’t have a SAHM in your household, going to and from work often involves taking and picking up a child at daycare or preschool or after school. Taking or picking up dry cleaning. Oh and yes groceries. Grabbing some thing at CVS. Maybe you don’t need a car to take care of all of these things, but obviously there is more than a few of us who do. Get off your high horse!

DP... That's a lifestyle you've chosen for yourself. I live in DC, and neither I nor my spouse have to take the car to work, nor is a car needed to get our child to school. CVS is walking distance, so is the grocery store, as are many restaurants and amenities. We only take the car out once or twice a week, for outings, or to pick up larger items, like doing a Costco run.

DC isn't the cause of your commute headaches, you yourself are the cause of your commute headaches, along with the several hundred thousand others who live that chosen lifestyle of having a commute between DC and the VA/MD suburbs. And, many of those suburbs likewise have you conditioned to car dependency because they did things like concentrate all of the residential development as subdivisions, et cetera - where the nearest commercially zoned place for the CVS is a strip mall miles away - and likely built without sidewalks so even if you wanted to walk, you couldn't. You then have to rely on your car for every single thing. It's a bad model.

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Anonymous wrote:They should ban all cars. Destroy the environment, pump out pollution, and destroy the urban fabric. I have no patience with you bastards complaining about losing one lane, when us pedestrians and cyclists suffer so much disease and death from your selfishness.

I’m going to need you to tear your house down, and live in a lean-to hut made of sticks and leaves in the woods with no sanitation or electricity, and eat only what you can grow or catch around your lean-to hut.

Because otherwise, everything in your life that your currently using and consuming was brought to you by trucks or cars.


When you can survive as a subsistence hunter-gather, you’ll have the moral high ground to do all the complaining you want.


Deal?

And 100 years ago horses delivered ice for your ice box. As if we can’t change from cars and trucks to other modes.

The trend has been toward using more powerful engines to go faster. Be careful what you wish for.

The trend has certainly been for the auto industry to try to get people to buy bigger vehicles with bigger engines to support a car-commercial fantasy of going fast on empty roads (and then finding a parking spot immediately in front of your destination). Bigger profits for the auto industry, a bigger death toll for society.

And then you drive your bigger vehicle, with the bigger engine, and the bigger cost to buy/maintain/operate it, to the grocery store, to buy a quart of milk, and you get frustrated because you're stuck in traffic because everybody else is doing the same thing.

[Anonymous]

I have lived off old georgetown for more than a decade. It has always taken 15 minutes to go the three miles between wildwood and battery during rush hour. I think the people complaining must be new or have forgotten. I drove enough kids to religious Ed or soccer practices up that route to know exactly how long it took. And it’s not taking noticeably longer now. Yes, it’s slower than 2020 and 2021.
And those accidents were not “freak accidents”. The sidewalks in that area were horrifically unsafe — uneven, narrow and with zero grass strip between them and the road, which has zero shoulder in that area. OGR was built as a 2 lane road in a residential area and a couple decades ago they widened it to 3 in an extremely unsafe manner, not leaving any shoulder or buffer to the sidewalk which was mere inches from the cars speeding by at 50. It was a terrible design, and the accidents were a direct result.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have lived off old georgetown for more than a decade. It has always taken 15 minutes to go the three miles between wildwood and battery during rush hour. I think the people complaining must be new or have forgotten. I drove enough kids to religious Ed or soccer practices up that route to know exactly how long it took. And it’s not taking noticeably longer now. Yes, it’s slower than 2020 and 2021.
And those accidents were not “freak accidents”. The sidewalks in that area were horrifically unsafe — uneven, narrow and with zero grass strip between them and the road, which has zero shoulder in that area. OGR was built as a 2 lane road in a residential area and a couple decades ago they widened it to 3 in an extremely unsafe manner, not leaving any shoulder or buffer to the sidewalk which was mere inches from the cars speeding by at 50. It was a terrible design, and the accidents were a direct result.

What you have written is completely untrue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

Build them all you want—cause even more and more traffic for people who have to go to work for a living in a timely manner.

People who want to get to work and not be a sweaty stinky mess (because let’s face it you are when you show up at the office, so gross!). People who use old Georgetown Road to get from their neighborhood to either 270 or 495 to go to their jobs. Why don’t they live next-door to their jobs? Good question. Jobs move. People change jobs. People have a spouse who works at a job in a different direction. Also, When you don’t have a SAHM in your household, going to and from work often involves taking and picking up a child at daycare or preschool or after school. Taking or picking up dry cleaning. Oh and yes groceries. Grabbing some thing at CVS. Maybe you don’t need a car to take care of all of these things, but obviously there is more than a few of us who do. Get off your high horse!

DP... That's a lifestyle you've chosen for yourself. I live in DC, and neither I nor my spouse have to take the car to work, nor is a car needed to get our child to school. CVS is walking distance, so is the grocery store, as are many restaurants and amenities. We only take the car out once or twice a week, for outings, or to pick up larger items, like doing a Costco run.

DC isn't the cause of your commute headaches, you yourself are the cause of your commute headaches, along with the several hundred thousand others who live that chosen lifestyle of having a commute between DC and the VA/MD suburbs. And, many of those suburbs likewise have you conditioned to car dependency because they did things like concentrate all of the residential development as subdivisions, et cetera - where the nearest commercially zoned place for the CVS is a strip mall miles away - and likely built without sidewalks so even if you wanted to walk, you couldn't. You then have to rely on your car for every single thing. It's a bad model.

Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to list all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Nope.

Build them all you want—cause even more and more traffic for people who have to go to work for a living in a timely manner.

People who want to get to work and not be a sweaty stinky mess (because let’s face it you are when you show up at the office, so gross!). People who use old Georgetown Road to get from their neighborhood to either 270 or 495 to go to their jobs. Why don’t they live next-door to their jobs? Good question. Jobs move. People change jobs. People have a spouse who works at a job in a different direction. Also, When you don’t have a SAHM in your household, going to and from work often involves taking and picking up a child at daycare or preschool or after school. Taking or picking up dry cleaning. Oh and yes groceries. Grabbing some thing at CVS. Maybe you don’t need a car to take care of all of these things, but obviously there is more than a few of us who do. Get off your high horse!

DP... That's a lifestyle you've chosen for yourself. I live in DC, and neither I nor my spouse have to take the car to work, nor is a car needed to get our child to school. CVS is walking distance, so is the grocery store, as are many restaurants and amenities. We only take the car out once or twice a week, for outings, or to pick up larger items, like doing a Costco run.

DC isn't the cause of your commute headaches, you yourself are the cause of your commute headaches, along with the several hundred thousand others who live that chosen lifestyle of having a commute between DC and the VA/MD suburbs. And, many of those suburbs likewise have you conditioned to car dependency because they did things like concentrate all of the residential development as subdivisions, et cetera - where the nearest commercially zoned place for the CVS is a strip mall miles away - and likely built without sidewalks so even if you wanted to walk, you couldn't. You then have to rely on your car for every single thing. It's a bad model.

Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to list all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

NOPE.

Stop blaming everyone else. I WILL criticize you because YOU CAME HERE to WHINE and COMPLAIN about traffic and your commute.

Traffic and commute that YOU imposed on YOURSELF. And no, I don't care what your rationalized "excuse" is for why you think you need to be dependent on your car for every little thing because again, you CHOSE it. Why should I have sympathy for you over something YOU CHOSE?

Do I think traffic will suddenly go away? No, of course not. A lot of bad decisions have to be fixed going all the way back to the mindsets of employers and office managers who are too dumb to gauge work and productivity other than physically seeing asses in seats, and public officials, builders and planners who allow things like strip malls and big dumb cookie cutter subdivisions, and the mindsets of all of the people like you who continue to empower them and fund them with your taxes and other dollars. The bottom line is that this way of doing things IS NOT SUSTAINABLE - not just here in the DMV but in every other city, suburb and exurb in America. Don't tell me to "get off my high horse" because I'm not the broken part that needs fixed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Nope.

Build them all you want—cause even more and more traffic for people who have to go to work for a living in a timely manner.

People who want to get to work and not be a sweaty stinky mess (because let’s face it you are when you show up at the office, so gross!). People who use old Georgetown Road to get from their neighborhood to either 270 or 495 to go to their jobs. Why don’t they live next-door to their jobs? Good question. Jobs move. People change jobs. People have a spouse who works at a job in a different direction. Also, When you don’t have a SAHM in your household, going to and from work often involves taking and picking up a child at daycare or preschool or after school. Taking or picking up dry cleaning. Oh and yes groceries. Grabbing some thing at CVS. Maybe you don’t need a car to take care of all of these things, but obviously there is more than a few of us who do. Get off your high horse!

DP... That's a lifestyle you've chosen for yourself. I live in DC, and neither I nor my spouse have to take the car to work, nor is a car needed to get our child to school. CVS is walking distance, so is the grocery store, as are many restaurants and amenities. We only take the car out once or twice a week, for outings, or to pick up larger items, like doing a Costco run.

DC isn't the cause of your commute headaches, you yourself are the cause of your commute headaches, along with the several hundred thousand others who live that chosen lifestyle of having a commute between DC and the VA/MD suburbs. And, many of those suburbs likewise have you conditioned to car dependency because they did things like concentrate all of the residential development as subdivisions, et cetera - where the nearest commercially zoned place for the CVS is a strip mall miles away - and likely built without sidewalks so even if you wanted to walk, you couldn't. You then have to rely on your car for every single thing. It's a bad model.

Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to list all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

NOPE.

Stop blaming everyone else. I WILL criticize you because YOU CAME HERE to WHINE and COMPLAIN about traffic and your commute.

Traffic and commute that YOU imposed on YOURSELF. And no, I don't care what your rationalized "excuse" is for why you think you need to be dependent on your car for every little thing because again, you CHOSE it. Why should I have sympathy for you over something YOU CHOSE?

Do I think traffic will suddenly go away? No, of course not. A lot of bad decisions have to be fixed going all the way back to the mindsets of employers and office managers who are too dumb to gauge work and productivity other than physically seeing asses in seats, and public officials, builders and planners who allow things like strip malls and big dumb cookie cutter subdivisions, and the mindsets of all of the people like you who continue to empower them and fund them with your taxes and other dollars. The bottom line is that this way of doing things IS NOT SUSTAINABLE - not just here in the DMV but in every other city, suburb and exurb in America. Don't tell me to "get off my high horse" because I'm not the broken part that needs fixed.

Those bike lanes will be gone in under a year. Mark my word. Councilmen like Andrew Friedsen will be under pressure from his many big donors who live in Bethesda and Potomac. This is one time I am grateful for all those big political donations. Keep the complaints coming rich people!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

By

1. slowing the cars
2. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the bus stops
3. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the sidewalks people use to get to the bus stops
4. reducing the number of car lanes people have to cross to get to or from the bus stops

I don't know whether you know that a woman was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road in December 2019. She was from Sri Lanka, worked as a nanny, and was walking to the bus stop after work.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

By

1. slowing the cars
2. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the bus stops
3. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the sidewalks people use to get to the bus stops
4. reducing the number of car lanes people have to cross to get to or from the bus stops

I don't know whether you know that a woman was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road in December 2019. She was from Sri Lanka, worked as a nanny, and was walking to the bus stop after work.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

Slowing the cars also slows the buses which makes travel time on the bus even longer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Those bike lanes will be gone in under a year. Mark my word. Councilmen like Andrew Friedsen will be under pressure from his many big donors who live in Bethesda and Potomac. This is one time I am grateful for all those big political donations. Keep the complaints coming rich people!!!

Rich people's complaints about inconvenience are more important than the lives of children and poor people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

By

1. slowing the cars
2. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the bus stops
3. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the sidewalks people use to get to the bus stops
4. reducing the number of car lanes people have to cross to get to or from the bus stops

I don't know whether you know that a woman was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road in December 2019. She was from Sri Lanka, worked as a nanny, and was walking to the bus stop after work.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

Slowing the cars also slows the buses which makes travel time on the bus even longer.

No, it doesn't. Slowing the cars reduces SPEEDING. Travel time on the bus is mostly a factor of frequent stops and back-ups among one-person cars. I'd be happy to support bus-only lanes on Old Georgetown Road, though. Would you? That would speed up the bus route.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

By

1. slowing the cars
2. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the bus stops
3. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the sidewalks people use to get to the bus stops
4. reducing the number of car lanes people have to cross to get to or from the bus stops

I don't know whether you know that a woman was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road in December 2019. She was from Sri Lanka, worked as a nanny, and was walking to the bus stop after work.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

Slowing the cars also slows the buses which makes travel time on the bus even longer.

No, it doesn't. Slowing the cars reduces SPEEDING. Travel time on the bus is mostly a factor of frequent stops and back-ups among one-person cars. I'd be happy to support bus-only lanes on Old Georgetown Road, though. Would you? That would speed up the bus route.

What I see messing the buses up more than anything is people double-parking or parking in the designated bus stops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you feel the need to criticize my lifestyle as though yours is better? It has been explained about a hundred times why people actually NEED to travel by car so I'm not going to llst all the reasons again and you probably don't care anyway. Do you think cars are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. And the best part of your post is that YOU actually need to use a car for certain things out of necessity. Get off your high horse.

DP. Likewise, people actually NEED to travel by bus, by walking, by wheelchair, by bicycle. Do you think bus riders, pedestrians, people who use wheelchairs, bicyclists are just going to disappear from the roads tomorrow? Not going to happen. So stop being so selfish and think for a minute about others. Especially others who are not sitting comfortably in their personal protected climate-controlled entertainment system on wheels.

How do these bike lanes improve the transportation experience for bus riders?

By

1. slowing the cars
2. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the bus stops
3. keeping fast-moving cars further away from the sidewalks people use to get to the bus stops
4. reducing the number of car lanes people have to cross to get to or from the bus stops

I don't know whether you know that a woman was killed crossing Old Georgetown Road in December 2019. She was from Sri Lanka, worked as a nanny, and was walking to the bus stop after work.

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/i-miss-her-sister-mourns-woman-hit-and-killed-while-crossing-bethesda-road/167507/

Slowing the cars also slows the buses which makes travel time on the bus even longer.

No, it doesn't. Slowing the cars reduces SPEEDING. Travel time on the bus is mostly a factor of frequent stops and back-ups among one-person cars. I'd be happy to support bus-only lanes on Old Georgetown Road, though. Would you? That would speed up the bus route.

I'm not interested in bowing down to inconsiderate commuters who want to recklessly fly through residential neighborhoods at 40 mph where children play, where elderly people need to cross streets, just so that they can try and shave 10 minutes off of their commute.m Overwhelming majority of people I see behaving like animals behind the wheel have MD and VA plates.