Men who steal women’s fertility

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Men manipulate with their strength. Go back to your red pill page if you don't want a candid discussion. You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation? Literally every show is about some sort of manipulation by people. All people manipulate. Women just do not care about sex in the same way as men but it's not the only method of control and coersion so there is no reason to make it the number one way to manipulate. It's on that priority in your world. The problem with red pill men is that they've never really thought about being a woman in a vulnerable way or cared about any women, so all of their comments just come off as incredibly self absorbed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the woman is obviously an indentured servant and can't leave?

I'm sorry, but any woman who wants to have children needs to be upfront with her partner at the start of a LTR and needs to make sure that she establishes a time frame. If they aren't on their way to having children in her time frames, she needs to cut her losss and move on and look for someone who is ready to meet her time frame and have children.

There are plenty of single men out there that are interested in LTR with children. Find one of them. And sometimes the woman will need to compromise her standards. She may not find a handsome 1%er, but if that handsome independantly wealthy man wants a relationship and no marriage or family, the woman will have to decide whether she wants the arm candy or the family of her dreams.

Women may not be able to control their partner, but they have control of their own destiny.

Agreed. Women “fall in love” with a man without knowing a man’s life goals and timeline. They then try to make him adapt to their timeline and when that doesn’t happen, they complain that he stole their fertility. I blame Disney and rom coms because they lead grown women to believe love automatically means marriage and babies. Women need to date smarter and not fall in love until they know that their goals and timelines are aligned.

[Anonymous]

And how obtuse of you to not realize that women are the ones given a much smaller window for children enabling men to use them during this short window easier than women can use men for fertility. If women can manipulate men's sexual needs for sure in this short window men can manipulate women for their fertility needs.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.

Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?

Did he do a bait and switch? You agreed to have children with him before marriage, but he lied to you about that? If so, that would make me completely distrust him about anything.

I’m wondering about this too. Did they have a conversation about children and timelines before marriage? Or did she assume things and is now framing his response to her demands for a baby as a lack of interest and cooperation.

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Men manipulate with their strength. Go back to your red pill page if you don't want a candid discussion. You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation? Literally every show is about some sort of manipulation by people. All people manipulate. Women just do not care about sex in the same way as men but it's not the only method of control and coersion so there is no reason to make it the number one way to manipulate. It's on that priority in your world. The problem with red pill men is that they've never really thought about being a woman in a vulnerable way or cared about any women, so all of their comments just come off as incredibly self absorbed.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to appreciate the very obvious difference between physical force and psychological manipulation, or why someone who is incapable of resorting to physical force would be predisposed to manipulation.

"You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation?" -- what men? what power? are you babbling about the largely imaginary pre-1965 patriarchy or something? I can assure you from observing my own parents and grandparents that the women in marriages back in those days had plenty of ways to ensure they got what they wanted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing is women have right to divorce these men and move on, freeze embryos etc but they chose to stay in these fruitless pointless marriages. So it's the women mistake just as much as his avoidance of commitment to her

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[Anonymous]

An earlier comment has women being more manipulative than men. In a way, I agree. Women have had lesser strength. Until the 70s, women could not have credit cards or bank accounts without a man's signature. Women's lives depended on often unreliable men. No wonder women are often neurotic, depressed, or manipulative. It's survival! I have long had a theory that the older lady generations have outsize personality disorders, and the youngsr generations suffer from their mothering, which should have been a comfort and relief from the inadequate men who were daddies.

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Anonymous wrote:This happened to me.

Well I’m in a marriage where I haven’t had a child yet due to lack of interest and cooperation from my husband. Now I’m too terrified to leave as bow can I divorce, fall in love and have a baby with rapidly declining fertility?

I did it, and had a baby at 41. Was married 1st time at 30, divorced 35, remarried 37, and used IVF. My marriage is very good and my child is total perfection. I knew when I divorced at 35 that I might head into single and child-free forever. I thought it was the most likely outcome, and accepted it. That outcome was better than staying with that guy, my 1st husband, who was not terrible but did not want to have sex with me, did not want to grow up, made very little money, was resentful as I became more successful, and again, did not want to have sex with me. But we were really great friends!! Anyway, it took a lot to divorce him, because I loved him, and hated the failure. I did it though, and the results are spectacular: a husband who wants sex too much, makes loads of money, and I have my one and only, amazing and incredible, little boy who has changed my life.

Wonderful! 😍

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

I‘ve never used sex as a way to manipulate men. I don’t know any women who do. Maybe try hanging out with higher class groups of people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Men manipulate with their strength. Go back to your red pill page if you don't want a candid discussion. You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation? Literally every show is about some sort of manipulation by people. All people manipulate. Women just do not care about sex in the same way as men but it's not the only method of control and coersion so there is no reason to make it the number one way to manipulate. It's on that priority in your world. The problem with red pill men is that they've never really thought about being a woman in a vulnerable way or cared about any women, so all of their comments just come off as incredibly self absorbed.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to appreciate the very obvious difference between physical force and psychological manipulation, or why someone who is incapable of resorting to physical force would be predisposed to manipulation.

"You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation?" -- what men? what power? are you babbling about the largely imaginary pre-1965 patriarchy or something? I can assure you from observing my own parents and grandparents that the women in marriages back in those days had plenty of ways to ensure they got what they wanted.

The very fact that your mom and grandma had to “ensure they got what they wanted” just proves the point that women don’t have power.

In a normal functioning relationship, a woman can say “this thing is important to me. Let’s find a way to make it work” and her partner gets on board. If a woman has to resort to manipulation, it’s a sign that the power imbalance is off and her partner is unwilling to meet her needs.

But hey, you do you. How’s that chip on your shoulder working for ya? Getting laid by beautiful 20 year olds every night?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Men manipulate with their strength. Go back to your red pill page if you don't want a candid discussion. You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation? Literally every show is about some sort of manipulation by people. All people manipulate. Women just do not care about sex in the same way as men but it's not the only method of control and coersion so there is no reason to make it the number one way to manipulate. It's on that priority in your world. The problem with red pill men is that they've never really thought about being a woman in a vulnerable way or cared about any women, so all of their comments just come off as incredibly self absorbed.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to appreciate the very obvious difference between physical force and psychological manipulation, or why someone who is incapable of resorting to physical force would be predisposed to manipulation.

"You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation?" -- what men? what power? are you babbling about the largely imaginary pre-1965 patriarchy or something? I can assure you from observing my own parents and grandparents that the women in marriages back in those days had plenty of ways to ensure they got what they wanted.

The very fact that your mom and grandma had to “ensure they got what they wanted” just proves the point that women don’t have power.

In a normal functioning relationship, a woman can say “this thing is important to me. Let’s find a way to make it work” and her partner gets on board. If a woman has to resort to manipulation, it’s a sign that the power imbalance is off and her partner is unwilling to meet her needs.

But hey, you do you. How’s that chip on your shoulder working for ya? Getting laid by beautiful 20 year olds every night?

This is untrue. Sometimes in a normal functioning relationship, a woman’s request may not be something he wants to do. Her needs don’t supersede his. Relationships also aren’t about power but should be about a team with shared values and goals working together.

[Anonymous]

I’m turning 37 in a few weeks, on the brink of divorce with an alcoholic spouse who kept putting off being “ready”. Now he’s miraculously ready since my foot is out the door. I want a family, but my own life choices my have prevented that. He didn’t steal my fertility, I ignored red flags.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m turning 37 in a few weeks, on the brink of divorce with an alcoholic spouse who kept putting off being “ready”. Now he’s miraculously ready since my foot is out the door. I want a family, but my own life choices my have prevented that. He didn’t steal my fertility, I ignored red flags.

This kind of self-reflection is so refreshing to read on this forum! I truly hope you get the family you want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Jennifer Anniston story reminds me of this. So many times a man wastes a woman’s time only to divorce or leave her in her 30s and childless. While the man goes on to marry and have children the woman is left robbed of her fertile and out of time to have kids of her own.

This is criminal!

Your dumbness?

It is.

Sis, no one can steal YOU fertility. YOU can certainly make poor choices on the other hand.

People are robbed and cheated all the time. There are manipulative people and most are men.

Wrong. Most manipulators are women. Women learn to be manipulative at an early age because they cannot use physical force or the threat of force to get what they want. Also women know men want sex from them, which provides natural leverage for women to manipulate men.

Lol if that were true then you wouldn't see so many male sex offenders or other criminals. Men are masters at manipulation and they typically target vulnerable/innocent/naive types of women who haven't had much or any sex or love experience.

Male sex offenders and criminals typically rely on physical force or the threat of physical force, not manipulation. Not to mention a lot of female sex offenders such as middle and high school teachers who prey on young boys often don't wind up serving any time at all, so the numbers are skewed.

Women are more manipulative than men because they can be. Women can (and do, on a daily basis) manipulate men with the promise of sex, with the threat of withholding sex, and with the threat of giving sex to someone else. Men simply can't do the same to women. Women rely on the fact that most men are lazy, and if men are in a relationship they'd much rather allow themselves to be manipulated than walk out the door (as they should do) and do the work of finding a new sex partner. Meanwhile her threats to walk are much more credible, because it's easy for women to find new sex partners, and are an additional tool she can use to manipulate him.

Then there is the whole "I am a weak and helpless female and you should help me" manipulation game that women pull all the time - even on male friends, when she wants him to move her apartment or fix her car - and men can't use that game on women either.

"Men are masters at manipulation" -- gee I must have been sick the day they had the Manipulation Mastery for Men course in school. Or maybe you're just projecting your own faults onto your victims, which is a very common thing for manipulators to do.

Men manipulate with their strength. Go back to your red pill page if you don't want a candid discussion. You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation? Literally every show is about some sort of manipulation by people. All people manipulate. Women just do not care about sex in the same way as men but it's not the only method of control and coersion so there is no reason to make it the number one way to manipulate. It's on that priority in your world. The problem with red pill men is that they've never really thought about being a woman in a vulnerable way or cared about any women, so all of their comments just come off as incredibly self absorbed.

I'm sorry you're too stupid to appreciate the very obvious difference between physical force and psychological manipulation, or why someone who is incapable of resorting to physical force would be predisposed to manipulation.

"You think men got to be in power due to lack of manipulation?" -- what men? what power? are you babbling about the largely imaginary pre-1965 patriarchy or something? I can assure you from observing my own parents and grandparents that the women in marriages back in those days had plenty of ways to ensure they got what they wanted.

The very fact that your mom and grandma had to “ensure they got what they wanted” just proves the point that women don’t have power.

In a normal functioning relationship, a woman can say “this thing is important to me. Let’s find a way to make it work” and her partner gets on board. If a woman has to resort to manipulation, it’s a sign that the power imbalance is off and her partner is unwilling to meet her needs.

But hey, you do you. How’s that chip on your shoulder working for ya? Getting laid by beautiful 20 year olds every night?

LOL, no, the fact that they got what they wanted ensured they did have power. I dare say they got what they wanted more than my dad or granddad did.

In a normal functioning relationship, a woman can say “this thing is important to me. Let’s find a way to make it work” and her partner gets on board. If a woman has to resort to manipulation, it’s a sign that the power imbalance is off and her partner is unwilling to meet her needs.

From another point of view - which I have observed in countless relationships - the woman states what she wants, but if the man says no that doesn't end it. She nags, hounds, and manipulates (very often by withholding sex or promising sex) until she gets her way. If anything this means the "power imbalance" is in her favor - the man is simply not allowed to say no to anything. I am extremely skeptical that many DCUM women would accept it if their husband refused to do something she wanted. "How do I get my husband to do this thing he doesn't want to do..." is the topic of countless posts in this forum.

But hey, you do you. How’s that chip on your shoulder working for ya? Getting laid by beautiful 20 year olds every night?

Nothing makes your arguments more convincing than dumb insults.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m turning 37 in a few weeks, on the brink of divorce with an alcoholic spouse who kept putting off being “ready”. Now he’s miraculously ready since my foot is out the door. I want a family, but my own life choices my have prevented that. He didn’t steal my fertility, I ignored red flags.

This kind of self-reflection is so refreshing to read on this forum! I truly hope you get the family you want.

PP here. Thank you. It sucks. I keep convincing myself I’m “still young” (with regards to starting over and still being able to have a fulfilling / fun / etc life; not necessarily my fertility) but it’s hard.