TJ admissions decision - repercussions for Class of 2026

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is what our school board has been reduced to, trying to intimidate a 5ft women with security.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OH-2M-oPkU

I am an Indian mother who disagrees with the changes to the admissions process. This insane woman does not speak for me and my family and my culture. She is a cancer on education in Northern Virginia.

Please I beg of you, do not allow this monster to destroy your perception of us. We must fight this process and this school board but this woman is burning down the house for attention.

She’ll be running over to Fox News to play victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Did Asra seriously just try to invoke Brown v. Board of Ed in an attempt to KEEP TJ segregated to only whites and Asians?

I’m not sure what’s worse, the fact that she’s attempting to do that or that people are buying it.

What an ignorant thing to say. Come back to reality.

Brown case fought against racism and discrimination and the Coalition is fighting against racism and discrimination which a federal judge agreed with. You must be residing under a rock.

Right... both are fighting against racism and discrimination... are you agreeing with me? Are you well? Do you need some chicken soup?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the bench, the judge noted that the school board was put on notice six months ago and to be prepared for this outcome, and the “inconvenience” they’re facing now after ignoring that warning does not warrant a stay. He agreed with the Coalition for TJ that forcing children to undergo another year (or more, as this case will likely be appealed) of a discriminatory admissions policy is irreparable harm, that the school board is not likely to succeed on its appeal to the Fourth Circuit, and that a stay wouldn’t serve the public interest.

Well, yes. He would say all of those things.

There is relevant precedent to reference on both sides of this case. It’s up to each judge to essentially decide which precedent they want to follow, and at this point, judges are appointed based on their likelihood of referring to precedent that the appointee finds favorable. Whether or not the Fourth Circuit agrees is another matter entirely.

They would also be careful about issuing a decision that would be reversed on appeal. There is little doubt how SCOTUS would rule on the affirmative action cases. It's just a matter of a relatively short time before affirmative action will be ruled unconstitutional - as it should have been from day one since it clearly violates the 14th amendment and directly contradicts the civil rights act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the bench, the judge noted that the school board was put on notice six months ago and to be prepared for this outcome, and the “inconvenience” they’re facing now after ignoring that warning does not warrant a stay. He agreed with the Coalition for TJ that forcing children to undergo another year (or more, as this case will likely be appealed) of a discriminatory admissions policy is irreparable harm, that the school board is not likely to succeed on its appeal to the Fourth Circuit, and that a stay wouldn’t serve the public interest.

Well, yes. He would say all of those things.

There is relevant precedent to reference on both sides of this case. It’s up to each judge to essentially decide which precedent they want to follow, and at this point, judges are appointed based on their likelihood of referring to precedent that the appointee finds favorable. Whether or not the Fourth Circuit agrees is another matter entirely.

They would also be careful about issuing a decision that would be reversed on appeal. There is little doubt how SCOTUS would rule on the affirmative action cases. It's just a matter of a relatively short time before affirmative action will be ruled unconstitutional - as it should have been from day one since it clearly violates the 14th amendment and directly contradicts the civil rights act.

Damn straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

Yes. Any logical person will come up with this plan to respond to the judge's order. But then SB will essentially admit that the changes for removing the test, middle school quota, experienced factors, etc were proxy for targeting racial groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

Yes. Any logical person will come up with this plan to respond to the judge's order. But then SB will essentially admit that the changes for removing the test, middle school quota, experienced factors, etc were proxy for targeting racial groups.

Maybe they should ask the Governor for help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.

It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

Yes. Any logical person will come up with this plan to respond to the judge's order. But then SB will essentially admit that the changes for removing the test, middle school quota, experienced factors, etc were proxy for targeting racial groups.

They should drop the middle school quota, but keep the economically disadvantaged factor. And also possibly the special education experience factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.

It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.

It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

Yes. Any logical person will come up with this plan to respond to the judge's order. But then SB will essentially admit that the changes for removing the test, middle school quota, experienced factors, etc were proxy for targeting racial groups.

Maybe they should ask the Governor for help.

Yes. He knows all about proxies for racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.

It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.

It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.

There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the bench, the judge noted that the school board was put on notice six months ago and to be prepared for this outcome, and the “inconvenience” they’re facing now after ignoring that warning does not warrant a stay. He agreed with the Coalition for TJ that forcing children to undergo another year (or more, as this case will likely be appealed) of a discriminatory admissions policy is irreparable harm, that the school board is not likely to succeed on its appeal to the Fourth Circuit, and that a stay wouldn’t serve the public interest.

Well, yes. He would say all of those things.

There is relevant precedent to reference on both sides of this case. It’s up to each judge to essentially decide which precedent they want to follow, and at this point, judges are appointed based on their likelihood of referring to precedent that the appointee finds favorable. Whether or not the Fourth Circuit agrees is another matter entirely.

DP. Not sure where to begin here. No one disputed the relevant precedent that the judge cited. What will be in dispute on appeal is his application of that precedent to the facts. It's not up to each judge to "essentially decide" what precedent they want to follow. Precedent is ... precedent. Sometimes, parties argue that precedent should be overturned. That's a different thing. Judges are appointed for various reasons--not just the reason you seem to suggest. But your final sentence is correct.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The hearing regarding the emergency stay request is Friday 3/11 at 10am

Below is the link to the brief filed by plaintiffs opposing the stay

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154/gov.uscourts.vaed.505154.148.0.pdf

I stopped reading when PLF made the argument that the Admissions Office was free to use the previous admissions process to select students instead of developing a new process. They plainly are not as two of the exams that were previously used no longer exist and developing a plan for assessing the Quant-Q, using it to cull a list of semifinalists, and then gathering teacher recommendations would almost certainly drive the process well into the fall.

Can’t they use this year’s test results and GPA and just go with that?

Remove bonus points for middle school, free lunch, etc?

If they end up with too many kids with the same exact score then lottery.

The “test” was problematic for a variety reasons.

It was not proctored
It did not test math.
It was not a validated test - the TJ admissions office created it specifically to increase racial balance.

It’s all they have. Either that or complete lottery.

There are plenty of nationally normed tests available. Pick one, administer it in April/May. Ranks kids according to the test and GPA and send decisions in June.

By April/May? Is that a joke?

They have the GPA and test results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How quickly will the 4th circuit decide the appeal?

What a mess.

Is there even an appeal?