VYS Soccer - better or worse?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

No such admission. You are just being a twit. It’s an excellent club for developing younger players and providing competitive teams for players that do not want to go to ecnl or mls next. I would rather have my kid at Vienna at U14 than at Arlington or McLean second or third teams. And I would much rather have them at VYS at U9-11 than top teams at Arlington or McLean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

Good grief. Retention of top talent is really a function of how great the other players on the team can be. There is a limit to what clubs can do in making sure the players around top talent are sufficiently challenging. Like I said, it is preposterous to assume that all clubs are equally positioned to challenge for top talent and leagues. There are first mover advantages, name-brand recognition, and positive feedback loops that perpetuate leadership positions for clubs like McLean and BRYC. There are local market advantages that favor clubs like Loudoun, Arlington and vda. You have to merge or make massive hires (or both) to challenge in the short term. That’s what SYC has been doing. We will see whether it works. Otherwise, cmon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

Good grief. Retention of top talent is really a function of how great the other players on the team can be. There is a limit to what clubs can do in making sure the players around top talent are sufficiently challenging. Like I said, it is preposterous to assume that all clubs are equally positioned to challenge for top talent and leagues. There are first mover advantages, name-brand recognition, and positive feedback loops that perpetuate leadership positions for clubs like McLean and BRYC. There are local market advantages that favor clubs like Loudoun, Arlington and vda. You have to merge or make massive hires (or both) to challenge in the short term. That’s what SYC has been doing. We will see whether it works. Otherwise, cmon.

So in short VYS still sucks because they don’t do those things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

Good grief. Retention of top talent is really a function of how great the other players on the team can be. There is a limit to what clubs can do in making sure the players around top talent are sufficiently challenging. Like I said, it is preposterous to assume that all clubs are equally positioned to challenge for top talent and leagues. There are first mover advantages, name-brand recognition, and positive feedback loops that perpetuate leadership positions for clubs like McLean and BRYC. There are local market advantages that favor clubs like Loudoun, Arlington and vda. You have to merge or make massive hires (or both) to challenge in the short term. That’s what SYC has been doing. We will see whether it works. Otherwise, cmon.

So in short VYS still sucks because they don’t do those things.

I think you may suck because you don’t understand that everything I described other than SYC is not something a club can do or control. And SYC may become the Enron of local youth soccer. So no, they do what they do very well. And if they are keeping twits like you away, they are doing all of us a service. Is that clear enough for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

Good grief. Retention of top talent is really a function of how great the other players on the team can be. There is a limit to what clubs can do in making sure the players around top talent are sufficiently challenging. Like I said, it is preposterous to assume that all clubs are equally positioned to challenge for top talent and leagues. There are first mover advantages, name-brand recognition, and positive feedback loops that perpetuate leadership positions for clubs like McLean and BRYC. There are local market advantages that favor clubs like Loudoun, Arlington and vda. You have to merge or make massive hires (or both) to challenge in the short term. That’s what SYC has been doing. We will see whether it works. Otherwise, cmon.

So in short VYS still sucks because they don’t do those things.

I think you may suck because you don’t understand that everything I described other than SYC is not something a club can do or control. And SYC may become the Enron of local youth soccer. So no, they do what they do very well. And if they are keeping twits like you away, they are doing all of us a service. Is that clear enough for you?

Are you a paid employee or volunteer for VYS? Yawn...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How are VYS try-outs? I know they are eliminating their 3rd and 4th teams at the older age groups. That should create extra drama.

Saw THREE kids from their top Eagles teams (rising U12s and U13s) at another club's tryouts. The barn door is open.

This is the problem. The parents. Not the club. (And hell, to paraphrase a famous actress, is parents from other clubs.). Only a moron would view this as a bad sign about a club’s ability to develop a kid. The fact they are welcome at other tryouts and invited to join good teams in the area is actually good, not bad, if you can get over the dream of your little ones playing together happily ever after, or the preposterous conceit that all clubs are equally positioned to achieve supremacy.

What about a club’s ability to retain talent?
And also you admit that VYS is not a “good” team. Lol

Good grief. Retention of top talent is really a function of how great the other players on the team can be. There is a limit to what clubs can do in making sure the players around top talent are sufficiently challenging. Like I said, it is preposterous to assume that all clubs are equally positioned to challenge for top talent and leagues. There are first mover advantages, name-brand recognition, and positive feedback loops that perpetuate leadership positions for clubs like McLean and BRYC. There are local market advantages that favor clubs like Loudoun, Arlington and vda. You have to merge or make massive hires (or both) to challenge in the short term. That’s what SYC has been doing. We will see whether it works. Otherwise, cmon.

So in short VYS still sucks because they don’t do those things.

I think you may suck because you don’t understand that everything I described other than SYC is not something a club can do or control. And SYC may become the Enron of local youth soccer. So no, they do what they do very well. And if they are keeping twits like you away, they are doing all of us a service. Is that clear enough for you?

Are you a paid employee or volunteer for VYS? Yawn...

No, you’re just dumb, weak and lazy. Anything else?

[Anonymous]

VYS does soccer babysitting better than anyone else in the area except great falls-reston

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe the next homegrown signing by DC united is somewhere in VYS's player pool

From U9-U12 player pool, I can see that.

Well one has to hope DC United manages to sign someone before those kids reach 17 or 18 years old!

[Anonymous]

My family have had good experiences with VYS at the younger travel ages recently; less good at the U12/U13 range several years ago, although I know coaches and staff have mostly changed since then, so it seems to be that VYS is better than it might have been in the past.

I do think it's disappointing (and sharp practice) for clubs to stagger their tryout/offer/acceptance periods rather than agree to a more coordinated approach that would provide players with the opportunity to tryout with multiple clubs, talk with multiple coaches, see what spots they are offered, and choose the club that's best for them.

For example, VYS has tryouts tonight, and will be sending out offers shortly thereafter asking parents to respond within 48 hours. Some other nearby clubs haven't even held tryouts yet. One has to assume that these clubs know exactly what they're doing to parents when they create these tryout schedules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family have had good experiences with VYS at the younger travel ages recently; less good at the U12/U13 range several years ago, although I know coaches and staff have mostly changed since then, so it seems to be that VYS is better than it might have been in the past.

I do think it's disappointing (and sharp practice) for clubs to stagger their tryout/offer/acceptance periods rather than agree to a more coordinated approach that would provide players with the opportunity to tryout with multiple clubs, talk with multiple coaches, see what spots they are offered, and choose the club that's best for them.

For example, VYS has tryouts tonight, and will be sending out offers shortly thereafter asking parents to respond within 48 hours. Some other nearby clubs haven't even held tryouts yet. One has to assume that these clubs know exactly what they're doing to parents when they create these tryout schedules.

Yes, they do - and it works for the vast majority of the parents who are looking for a rinse and repeat for the sake of convenience. Doesn't work so well when it comes to parents or kids who are striving to achieve a next level in soccer. This is why you see VYS perform well at the younger ages and taper off in the older ages. The competitive, talented kids go elsewhere. That's not to say there is something wrong with VYS. But, their model is structured around building fundamentals and chartering a course to play soccer - not necessarily serving as the vehicle for all throughout. Everyone has to have their niche. Theirs is the younger ages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My family have had good experiences with VYS at the younger travel ages recently; less good at the U12/U13 range several years ago, although I know coaches and staff have mostly changed since then, so it seems to be that VYS is better than it might have been in the past.

I do think it's disappointing (and sharp practice) for clubs to stagger their tryout/offer/acceptance periods rather than agree to a more coordinated approach that would provide players with the opportunity to tryout with multiple clubs, talk with multiple coaches, see what spots they are offered, and choose the club that's best for them.

For example, VYS has tryouts tonight, and will be sending out offers shortly thereafter asking parents to respond within 48 hours. Some other nearby clubs haven't even held tryouts yet. One has to assume that these clubs know exactly what they're doing to parents when they create these tryout schedules.

If you have other tryouts scheduled just tell them that, and let them know when you will respond.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family have had good experiences with VYS at the younger travel ages recently; less good at the U12/U13 range several years ago, although I know coaches and staff have mostly changed since then, so it seems to be that VYS is better than it might have been in the past.

I do think it's disappointing (and sharp practice) for clubs to stagger their tryout/offer/acceptance periods rather than agree to a more coordinated approach that would provide players with the opportunity to tryout with multiple clubs, talk with multiple coaches, see what spots they are offered, and choose the club that's best for them.

For example, VYS has tryouts tonight, and will be sending out offers shortly thereafter asking parents to respond within 48 hours. Some other nearby clubs haven't even held tryouts yet. One has to assume that these clubs know exactly what they're doing to parents when they create these tryout schedules.

If you have other tryouts scheduled just tell them that, and let them know when you will respond.

Haaaaa...tried that. They stuck to their guns of 48 hours. After the FIRST of TWO tryouts. In other words, they weren't even willing to wait until tryouts were over. THIS is how you lose families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My family have had good experiences with VYS at the younger travel ages recently; less good at the U12/U13 range several years ago, although I know coaches and staff have mostly changed since then, so it seems to be that VYS is better than it might have been in the past.

I do think it's disappointing (and sharp practice) for clubs to stagger their tryout/offer/acceptance periods rather than agree to a more coordinated approach that would provide players with the opportunity to tryout with multiple clubs, talk with multiple coaches, see what spots they are offered, and choose the club that's best for them.

For example, VYS has tryouts tonight, and will be sending out offers shortly thereafter asking parents to respond within 48 hours. Some other nearby clubs haven't even held tryouts yet. One has to assume that these clubs know exactly what they're doing to parents when they create these tryout schedules.

If you have other tryouts scheduled just tell them that, and let them know when you will respond.

Haaaaa...tried that. They stuck to their guns of 48 hours. After the FIRST of TWO tryouts. In other words, they weren't even willing to wait until tryouts were over. THIS is how you lose families.

I am only familiar with a couple of age groups and know that VYS was flexible with the timing in at least a few instances. It sounds like that's not always the case though and I guess it makes sense that each age group is different. There could be other families or maybe even a whole other team that are waiting for your DD/DS.

The club may or may not stick to their guns in the end, but its a bit of a risk on your part to find out. It sucks to be rushed. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

In some age groups, VYS had huge turnouts this year, particularly the 2010 girls who had over 65 girls try out, which is enough to field 5 teams at that age group (they’re fielding 4). So, they were aggressive on their response times because they had a number of girls waiting on those slots. I feel bad for the girls who didn’t even make a team but probably would in any other age group.

I think they know exactly what they are doing, and are happy to keep the deposit from families that try out, don’t like the team placement, but don’t want to turn it down for an offer from another club.