UHC CEO Gunned Down in Midtown Manhattan

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information on the suspect and have Border Patrol looking for this guy.

He might actually get away with this. There are way less cameras in the world than I thought and I thought police work was more advanced than this.

I've had the opposite reaction. I've been finding the number of cameras, and the speed at which they've been able to go through them, to be incredibly disconcerting.

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Anonymous wrote:I think we've spent enough money looking for the killer. Maybe UHC can pony up the rest.

Yep, they reached their lifetime max.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do some of you always make it about BC pills (aka you own obsession with others’ sex lives and ignoring BC is used for young girls just trying to get through painful menstruation/endometriosis), when it’s mostly people just not wanting to go bankrupt after surviving cancer or a heart attack?

Birth control pills are not a significant price point. Stuff like the new weight loss drugs and the biologics that they advertise on TV are a significant price point. Something like 50% of the cost increase in prescription drugs last year was due to wegovy/ozempic usage. In the long term, it’s cheaper than paying for Diabetes care but it’s naive to act like this stuff doesn’t increase premiums especially if the insurance company doesn’t police usage. And while I don’t think anyone should get a 10M bonus, that is not the driver here for a company doing 30-40 billion in revenue every year. Premiums are up because health insurance costs are up and government subsidies are down—you could eliminate all the C suite bonuses and it wouldn’t really effect the price.

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information on the suspect and have Border Patrol looking for this guy.

Now they care about the border!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

In many cases they keep the system from ripping people off and in many cases make sure that people don’t get the wrong med or unnecessary procedures. I know you think your doctor is the bees knees and would never do anything unethical or wrong but you would be wrong. Consider the fact that so many physician groups have sold out to PE who are managing care by the way in which they manage the practice. The docs didn’t sell because they are concerned about the good of the patients - they wanted a paycheck. There are no innocents in this game.

Yep. Private equity is all over specialized surgical and medical groups …. these doctors are money machines. Cha Ching! $$ Smart doctors know how to game the system. Spend 15 minutes with a patient, quick exam, order scans. Done. Next!

Even large hospital groups order needless scans, ultrasounds, blood work, procedures, unnecessary surgeries…it’s insane.

Yes—I’m generally pro doctor but anyone who thinks that doctors don’t need checks on spending is naive. The nursing homes are notorious for ordering useless tests and therapies to pad their profits. And lots of doctors will just write whatever test or script their patient wants because it’s easier than arguing or because they are making a profit (remember the opioid epidemic?). Everyone would like to have great doctors who only prescribe medically necessary stuff and only do so in their best interest, and have affordable health care that covers all medically necessary treatments, even if those treatments cost millions of dollars a year for a single condition. But it’s not reality. Yes, let’s crack down on the bad actors, but this generalized hate for health insurance providers is just so naive and dangerous. Does anyone remember the world before health insurance? Working class people just died if they got anything that needed more than a doctors visit. Pooling of risk is a good thing—that’s what insurance is. But insurance companies have to follow their written policies.

There are monsters at every level of the system. This hospital allowed this doctor to misdiagnose and kill patients because he made money for them.

The opioid epidemic is due in part to physicians being courted by pharma sales people and the fact that no one was watching what was going on so the pill mills were allowed to dispense like crazy and Medicaid just paid. I’m not saying health insurance companies are angels by any means but there are plenty of bad actors out there.


https://www.propublica.org/article/thomas-weiner-montana-st-peters-hospital-oncology

Also look at the stories about patients being kept in psych wards so that the monstrous doctors could keep billing insurance. It's sickening. The whole system from insurance to hospital to medical staff, is corrupt.

And Americans need to stop thinking this country has the most envied medical system in the world, because anyone who has actually traveled and needed medical care in other countries, knows it's BS. I have friends currently traveling to a couple of other countries for advanced medical treatments that the US doesn't offer.

Would you mind sharing what these advanced medical treatments are?

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information on the suspect and have Border Patrol looking for this guy.

He might actually get away with this. There are way less cameras in the world than I thought and I thought police work was more advanced than this.

I've had the opposite reaction. I've been finding the number of cameras, and the speed at which they've been able to go through them, to be incredibly disconcerting.

agree. They show the same outfit exiting the bus station but never leaving it. always the side view bc he knows the cameras are there. I'm not sure he ever left NYC

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Anonymous wrote:I’m amazed at the number of people who think health insurance is the main problem, as if the hospitals just honest businessmen submitting bills for their services and the docs as well. The whole system is a sh&t show. Cardiologist in the US make like a half a million, in the Uk it’s like £150K.

People should be mad at their legislators for allowing it to get this way. This is not to say that insurers don’t have their problems but they are but one cog in the wheel of grift and dysfunction.

Cardiologists actually provide an extremely valuable service. Insurance companies suck money out of the system. Do you really not see the difference?

Do you want to negotiate prices with all of your doctors on your own?

Yes, actually. I’d also like to know the cost of a procedure or visit up front, thanks.

To add, I'd also like to know how many billable personnel (doctors and all) I am expected to receive invoices from, I hate the trickling in from outside providers. So shady.

agree

i especially loathe the Urgimeds who codify themselves as Specialists to double their copays and their charges. Health insurance does nothing.

One recently coded itself at time of billing as an ER.

such BS. And they are in BCBS as an in net work urgent care. such BS. BCBS lets them charge that, pays their share and then we are supposed to pay along and pay 2x or 3x!?

Let’s not forget the extra facility fees. My insurance gives me one annual mammogram that they claim to cover 100%. I looked on my insurance website and selected one of the providers. The mammogram was free but then I received a $600 facility charge. I fought with them for months before I finally got it paid.

That’s now prohibited by the No Surprises Act. (Guessing you had it done at a hospital not a doctors office? The provider also should have warned you.)

I went to a facility labeled a “hospital,” but it’s not really a hospital with patients in beds.

I called several times to ensure I would not be charged a fee and they didn’t want to commit to an answer.

DP

Learned recently that the lab tests I do at my PCP get billed to insurance as having been done at a hospital more than an hour away. The specimens are sent off site, but not to that hospital. The revenue cycle team apparently figured out some loophole to maximize their reimbursement. Apparently it’s not exactly fraudulent, but it is sketchy af, and it costs me more money.

That sucks, and I’m sorry it costs you more.

The hospitals (and some doctors) rip off health insurance companies but it’s us they treat as suspicious…

I called about my doctor charging for doctor visits when I was just going for an allergy shot. The doctor’s husband was very angry when I brought it up and the health insurance company could not have cared less as long as it wasn’t a patient ripping them off.

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Anonymous wrote:Random hit.

Power move

Attempt to destabilize

Test case to see how nuts social media and mass media follows it

Test case if America will cannibalize itself with chaos and internal theories.

Deemed a success thus far.

I’m skeptical because I don’t find the passing of a ceo to be destabilizing.

+1 and America was already cannibalizing itself — if anything, this event united the country, as people across the political spectrum have had dreadful encounters with insurers.

That’s a good way of putting it. No one love health insurance companies.

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Anonymous wrote:How have they not caught the gunman? His photos have been released. You'd figure a neighbor or employer would immediately call in, especially now that there is a reward.

He took a bus and they don’t know where. He’s not in NYC anymore.

Had no one on the bus seen the news afterward? Surely someone in the bus recognized him when they saw news reports, even just to say, “oh, I saw him on my bus enroute to DC.”

It’s really not that hard to change your appearance.

Here’s a video from the spy museum that describes the process.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uAh02-vPU

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Anonymous wrote:The FBI is offering a $50,000 reward for information on the suspect and have Border Patrol looking for this guy.

Now they care about the border!

Nah, one less criminal to worry about.

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Anonymous wrote:People really don’t understand the value of shared risk

People do just not pp.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Random hit.

Power move

Attempt to destabilize

Test case to see how nuts social media and mass media follows it

Test case if America will cannibalize itself with chaos and internal theories.

Deemed a success thus far.

I’m skeptical because I don’t find the passing of a ceo to be destabilizing.

+1 and America was already cannibalizing itself — if anything, this event united the country, as people across the political spectrum have had dreadful encounters with insurers.

That’s a good way of putting it. No one love health insurance companies.

That is about the only thing conservatives and liberals can agree on! I was talking about this with my “Fox News is not conservative enough” (really) aunt and uncle and their reaction was “the CEO had it coming.” Outside truly bleeding hearts, his fellow industry vultures and the man’s family and friends nobody is anything but gleeful or indifferent about the murder.

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Anonymous wrote:This is predictable. But you never know what intentional disinformation police put out to get the perp to relax.

This is misleading and you know it. That photo is still the correct photo of the person of interest. If you had actually read the article you linked you would know that people thought the photo looked just like Trump surrogate Joey Mannarino (and comparing them side by side I see a resemblance). But the hostel photo is the right one.

Quit being a troll. Or dumb. Or both.

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This is what the hostel floor looks like at check in. I looked up photos.

Would be really unusual if it’s not him.

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Anonymous wrote:How have they not caught the gunman? His photos have been released. You'd figure a neighbor or employer would immediately call in, especially now that there is a reward.

He took a bus and they don’t know where. He’s not in NYC anymore.

Had no one on the bus seen the news afterward? Surely someone in the bus recognized him when they saw news reports, even just to say, “oh, I saw him on my bus enroute to DC.”

It’s really not that hard to change your appearance.

Here’s a video from the spy museum that describes the process.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0uAh02-vPU

You probably don’t even need to do this much, even just a hat and change of clothes would do. I don’t remember faces of people who are next to me on trains, especially to the point I would be comfortable reporting it. If he wasn’t being erratic nobody probably paid him any attention.

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Anonymous wrote:New CEO Andrew Witt:

United CEO Andrew Witty gave an address to the company today (leaked to me), telling employees "we guard against...unnecessary care" and to "tune out the critical noise"

https://x.com/kenklippenstein/status/1865198371767562453

And this is exactly why people are rooting for Thompsan's shooter to get away with it.

I’m not. I don’t want to pay for your IVF or expensive birth control, but Pelosi and Co. force me to.

Well, I don’t want to pay for your erectile dysfunction medicine.

But I do.