2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.

You are way too rational to be posting on this board.

Totally, you must not be from the DC area!

+1,000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.

You are way too rational to be posting on this board.

Totally, you must not be from the DC area!

LOL, I am a DC "native". Born at Sibley Hospital in the 60's.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:To those of you saying Disney won't lose business. I know 3 families who have already canceled their trips.

I don't believe this for one minute. Unless, of course, it was three families who were discussing going together and have since decided on something else instead.

Well, it seems pretty packed here to me.

And when we stopped at the grand Floridian, it was also packed.

These people were at Disney or on their way when the tragedy happened. When they get home and read, they'll be horrified.

It's not North Korea. People currently at Disney know about this incident.

They know Disney says it's never happened before but do they know Disney ignored all the warnings?

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Anonymous wrote:To those of you saying Disney won't lose business. I know 3 families who have already canceled their trips.

I don't believe this for one minute. Unless, of course, it was three families who were discussing going together and have since decided on something else instead.

Well, it seems pretty packed here to me.

And when we stopped at the grand Floridian, it was also packed.

These people were at Disney or on their way when the tragedy happened. When they get home and read, they'll be horrified.

It's not North Korea. People currently at Disney know about this incident.

They know Disney says it's never happened before but do they know Disney ignored all the warnings?

They have access to the same internet you do.

What they know depends on what they choose to read.

[Anonymous]

I doubt they're digging for info on their vacation.

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Anonymous wrote:My sense is that they got lazy/ complacent about their removal efforts. Probably never thought it would happen. Disney is done.

Lol, sure. There were plenty of people on this very thread saying they're still going next week/later this year. It's not done and plenty of people still recognize that ONE alligator death out of millions of visitors over 40 years means you're still SUPER SAFE from alligators at Disney. You're as safe from them there as you are any other place in Florida. This was an anomaly. It's not putting Disney out of business. They will pay the family $20 mil and put up new signs. The world spins on.

Nope. If this gets to a jury, the jury will return a $500 billion verdict. This would be a meritorious lawsuit if there ever was one. Disney knows this. The settlement offer will have to be more like $300 million. That they knew about alligators per the San Diego lawyer and did not prevent this is sickening.

Plaintiff's attorney here. This case probably has a $6 million value max. Initial offer will probably be around $1 million. Anything north of $3 and the client will probably take it.

Plaintiff's attorney again, and I need to add that $6 million won't even touch Disney's profits. Star Wars: the Force Awakens grossed over $2 billion dollars. The production budget was $245 million. This settlement will just be a blip on Disney's financial books.

But where is Disney's negligence plaintiff's attorney? disney posted signs "Do no Swim". It culled the area regularly for aligators. The lagoon opens to the sea. Everyone in Florida has encountered an alligator on the golf course or nasty snapping turtles or water snakes. What if the parents were watching the movie? Why was the girl caged up? Maybe the parents were tired from the flight with two kids and let the boy wander where he shouldn't have. Disney is now putting up more signs and cordoning off the area but you those acts can't be introduced into evidence. I don't see how Disney is negligent here. - signed defense attorney (and, yes yes I know anyone can file a complaint and sue, but, depending upon facts as they develop, I might as a judge toss your case).

[Anonymous]

Disney doesn't care about the money. They care about their rep. This looks awful. This is a destination that Disney says is a magical carefree vacation for families with little ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think anyone is at fault. The reality is that living life comes with risk. 52 million people visit Disney every year. At one gator accident every 30 years, that is less than a one in a billion chance.

If people lived their lives to prevent a one in a billion chance of a tragedy, then they wouldn't be able to do anything. The risk that a branch will fall from a tree while you walk on a sidewalk is greater than the risk of this happening. The risk of being killed in a car crash going to and from Disney is more than a thousand times greater. The risk of choking on the food you buy at Disney or drowning in the pool or tripping on the stairs of the hotel -- all greater.

The fact is that everything you do carries a risk. Some risks are substantial enough to worry about and judge some one if they aren't careful (although even then, I wouldn't publicly judge someone who had just lost a child) but this was not one of them.

All very true. You have a greater risk of being shot by a mad man at the grocery store. And we're doing absolutely nothing to prevent that. Gun sales go up with each mass shooting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense is that they got lazy/ complacent about their removal efforts. Probably never thought it would happen. Disney is done.

Lol, sure. There were plenty of people on this very thread saying they're still going next week/later this year. It's not done and plenty of people still recognize that ONE alligator death out of millions of visitors over 40 years means you're still SUPER SAFE from alligators at Disney. You're as safe from them there as you are any other place in Florida. This was an anomaly. It's not putting Disney out of business. They will pay the family $20 mil and put up new signs. The world spins on.

Nope. If this gets to a jury, the jury will return a $500 billion verdict. This would be a meritorious lawsuit if there ever was one. Disney knows this. The settlement offer will have to be more like $300 million. That they knew about alligators per the San Diego lawyer and did not prevent this is sickening.

Plaintiff's attorney here. This case probably has a $6 million value max. Initial offer will probably be around $1 million. Anything north of $3 and the client will probably take it.

Plaintiff's attorney again, and I need to add that $6 million won't even touch Disney's profits. Star Wars: the Force Awakens grossed over $2 billion dollars. The production budget was $245 million. This settlement will just be a blip on Disney's financial books.

But where is Disney's negligence plaintiff's attorney? disney posted signs "Do no Swim". It culled the area regularly for aligators. The lagoon opens to the sea. Everyone in Florida has encountered an alligator on the golf course or nasty snapping turtles or water snakes. What if the parents were watching the movie? Why was the girl caged up? Maybe the parents were tired from the flight with two kids and let the boy wander where he shouldn't have. Disney is now putting up more signs and cordoning off the area but you those acts can't be introduced into evidence. I don't see how Disney is negligent here. - signed defense attorney (and, yes yes I know anyone can file a complaint and sue, but, depending upon facts as they develop, I might as a judge toss your case).

Disney is an hour's drive from the sea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I doubt they're digging for info on their vacation.

You are a seriously dad and screed up person who I feel like must live a fairly unhappy live if it is so important to you to believe that this corporation and all its staff either wanted this to happen, thought it was likely, aren't devastated that it happened and aren't ensuring it won't ever happen again

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense is that they got lazy/ complacent about their removal efforts. Probably never thought it would happen. Disney is done.

Lol, sure. There were plenty of people on this very thread saying they're still going next week/later this year. It's not done and plenty of people still recognize that ONE alligator death out of millions of visitors over 40 years means you're still SUPER SAFE from alligators at Disney. You're as safe from them there as you are any other place in Florida. This was an anomaly. It's not putting Disney out of business. They will pay the family $20 mil and put up new signs. The world spins on.

Nope. If this gets to a jury, the jury will return a $500 billion verdict. This would be a meritorious lawsuit if there ever was one. Disney knows this. The settlement offer will have to be more like $300 million. That they knew about alligators per the San Diego lawyer and did not prevent this is sickening.

Plaintiff's attorney here. This case probably has a $6 million value max. Initial offer will probably be around $1 million. Anything north of $3 and the client will probably take it.

Plaintiff's attorney again, and I need to add that $6 million won't even touch Disney's profits. Star Wars: the Force Awakens grossed over $2 billion dollars. The production budget was $245 million. This settlement will just be a blip on Disney's financial books.

But where is Disney's negligence plaintiff's attorney? disney posted signs "Do no Swim". It culled the area regularly for aligators. The lagoon opens to the sea. Everyone in Florida has encountered an alligator on the golf course or nasty snapping turtles or water snakes. What if the parents were watching the movie? Why was the girl caged up? Maybe the parents were tired from the flight with two kids and let the boy wander where he shouldn't have. Disney is now putting up more signs and cordoning off the area but you those acts can't be introduced into evidence. I don't see how Disney is negligent here. - signed defense attorney (and, yes yes I know anyone can file a complaint and sue, but, depending upon facts as they develop, I might as a judge toss your case).

Disney is an hour's drive from the sea.

I know, right! How clueless people are about Florida -- the environment, in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt they're digging for info on their vacation.

You are a seriously dad and screed up person who I feel like must live a fairly unhappy live if it is so important to you to believe that this corporation and all its staff either wanted this to happen, thought it was likely, aren't devastated that it happened and aren't ensuring it won't ever happen again

Sad and screwed up*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt they're digging for info on their vacation.

You are a seriously dad and screed up person who I feel like must live a fairly unhappy live if it is so important to you to believe that this corporation and all its staff either wanted this to happen, thought it was likely, aren't devastated that it happened and aren't ensuring it won't ever happen again

Sad and screwed up*

You're so Dad and Screed up!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I doubt they're digging for info on their vacation.

You are a seriously dad and screed up person who I feel like must live a fairly unhappy live if it is so important to you to believe that this corporation and all its staff either wanted this to happen, thought it was likely, aren't devastated that it happened and aren't ensuring it won't ever happen again

Sad and screwed up*

You're so Dad and Screed up!

No one wants to believe it but when sources come out and say Disney knew the danger...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My sense is that they got lazy/ complacent about their removal efforts. Probably never thought it would happen. Disney is done.

Lol, sure. There were plenty of people on this very thread saying they're still going next week/later this year. It's not done and plenty of people still recognize that ONE alligator death out of millions of visitors over 40 years means you're still SUPER SAFE from alligators at Disney. You're as safe from them there as you are any other place in Florida. This was an anomaly. It's not putting Disney out of business. They will pay the family $20 mil and put up new signs. The world spins on.

Nope. If this gets to a jury, the jury will return a $500 billion verdict. This would be a meritorious lawsuit if there ever was one. Disney knows this. The settlement offer will have to be more like $300 million. That they knew about alligators per the San Diego lawyer and did not prevent this is sickening.

Plaintiff's attorney here. This case probably has a $6 million value max. Initial offer will probably be around $1 million. Anything north of $3 and the client will probably take it.

Plaintiff's attorney again, and I need to add that $6 million won't even touch Disney's profits. Star Wars: the Force Awakens grossed over $2 billion dollars. The production budget was $245 million. This settlement will just be a blip on Disney's financial books.

But where is Disney's negligence plaintiff's attorney? disney posted signs "Do no Swim". It culled the area regularly for aligators. The lagoon opens to the sea. Everyone in Florida has encountered an alligator on the golf course or nasty snapping turtles or water snakes. What if the parents were watching the movie? Why was the girl caged up? Maybe the parents were tired from the flight with two kids and let the boy wander where he shouldn't have. Disney is now putting up more signs and cordoning off the area but you those acts can't be introduced into evidence. I don't see how Disney is negligent here. - signed defense attorney (and, yes yes I know anyone can file a complaint and sue, but, depending upon facts as they develop, I might as a judge toss your case).

Sure, a defense attorney could argue all those things in court, but this isn't even close to a case that could get thrown out on the front end for failure to state a claim for which relief could be granted. It would absolutely go to trial, and based on info we already know, all sorts of info would be released in the course of that that would be horrible for Disney's reputation. Not to mention the trial itself would be a publicity nightmare for Disney. I can guarantee that when Disney runs cost benefit numbers on whether to settle this vs. go to trial, it is by far in their favor financially to pay even the $6 mil that PP attorney suggested would be the max. And like he said, $6 mil is nothing to Disney.