Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Wheeew that was a lot of words to not answer the question of why you deserve it more because you had more money instead of luck.

I guess you missed the part where I said I've done out of boundary. I don't begrudge anyone doing what they are allowed to do, but it doesn't "make it better" for everyone and it is fair to question it when a school is over enrolled soeace wise

You still didn’t answer.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

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Hearst is 5% economically disadvantaged.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

This claim gets thrown around a lot. Is there a single study showing any measurable benefit to HHI kids to attending a mixed economic school? Not “soft” benefits like increased creativity or cultural understanding. But actual, measurable benefits like increased test scores or academic outcomes. I don’t think those studies exist.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

LOL LOL I've been on welfare honey. I am pointing out that when achievable, economically "mixed" schools are great. I also voiced support for the OOB process as a whole (self -selection) which I have used for my own family. However, schools systems that try to engineer this nirvana by assigning schools to kids have largely failed (see SF as an example). And with self selection, you will never obtain that "perfect" mix in every school; the demographics and incomes across the city, plus people's preference to go to their geographically close school when possible, just won't support it. If Hearst is 5 percent disadvantaged, YOU are the one supporting segregation by seeking out a school that isn't really economically mixed. Finally, I do think that DCPS can take a page from charters and create more schools that are "known" for something and draw families seeking that - be it arts programs, language, year round school, long days, short days, whatever. In education ONE size does NOT fit all.

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you clearly have not made the slightest attempt to educate yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:you clearly have not made the slightest attempt to educate yourself.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

LOL LOL I've been on welfare honey. I am pointing out that when achievable, economically "mixed" schools are great. I also voiced support for the OOB process as a whole (self -selection) which I have used for my own family. However, schools systems that try to engineer this nirvana by assigning schools to kids have largely failed (see SF as an example). And with self selection, you will never obtain that "perfect" mix in every school; the demographics and incomes across the city, plus people's preference to go to their geographically close school when possible, just won't support it. If Hearst is 5 percent disadvantaged, YOU are the one supporting segregation by seeking out a school that isn't really economically mixed. Finally, I do think that DCPS can take a page from charters and create more schools that are "known" for something and draw families seeking that - be it arts programs, language, year round school, long days, short days, whatever. In education ONE size does NOT fit all.

You can see the lack of morality here, where she claims some sort of messed up authority by having used the systems she now denigrates. She also makes the wild claim that Hearst would somehow become more economically diverse if it was limited to the Ward 3 parents who have paid for their school. And the fun part where she claims to care about integration but is also determined that this must be some other, EOTP families instead of her own. Her lack of willingness to do anything herself to achieve this betrays her real priorities.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

LOL LOL I've been on welfare honey. I am pointing out that when achievable, economically "mixed" schools are great. I also voiced support for the OOB process as a whole (self -selection) which I have used for my own family. However, schools systems that try to engineer this nirvana by assigning schools to kids have largely failed (see SF as an example). And with self selection, you will never obtain that "perfect" mix in every school; the demographics and incomes across the city, plus people's preference to go to their geographically close school when possible, just won't support it. If Hearst is 5 percent disadvantaged, YOU are the one supporting segregation by seeking out a school that isn't really economically mixed. Finally, I do think that DCPS can take a page from charters and create more schools that are "known" for something and draw families seeking that - be it arts programs, language, year round school, long days, short days, whatever. In education ONE size does NOT fit all.

You can see the lack of morality here, where she claims some sort of messed up authority by having used the systems she now denigrates. She also makes the wild claim that Hearst would somehow become more economically diverse if it was limited to the Ward 3 parents who have paid for their school. And the fun part where she claims to care about integration but is also determined that this must be some other, EOTP families instead of her own. Her lack of willingness to do anything herself to achieve this betrays her real priorities.

We see things differently. Bon jour!

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This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone.

This claim gets thrown around a lot. Is there a single study showing any measurable benefit to HHI kids to attending a mixed economic school? Not “soft” benefits like increased creativity or cultural understanding. But actual, measurable benefits like increased test scores or academic outcomes. I don’t think those studies exist.

They don't. There is no research whatsoever correlating higher academic outcomes for middle or high-income students who attend economically diverse schools compared to academic outcomes of middle/high income students at more homogenous schools. None. It's farcical to think otherwise.

Posters like the 'improves "things" for everyone' Yay! Unicorns and Butterflies! are imagining social benefits.

Although, there are multiple decent studies showing self-segregation at diverse high schools. So I'd question the "cultural" benefits too.

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There is an achievement gap at Wilson that has persisted for years. There is also a reason KIPP is popular. I would likely send my child to KIPP if I needed long day learning support etc..I don't love the chants etc at all, but it's a college conduit and my kid would have a good future.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

LOL LOL I've been on welfare honey. I am pointing out that when achievable, economically "mixed" schools are great. I also voiced support for the OOB process as a whole (self -selection) which I have used for my own family. However, schools systems that try to engineer this nirvana by assigning schools to kids have largely failed (see SF as an example). And with self selection, you will never obtain that "perfect" mix in every school; the demographics and incomes across the city, plus people's preference to go to their geographically close school when possible, just won't support it. If Hearst is 5 percent disadvantaged, YOU are the one supporting segregation by seeking out a school that isn't really economically mixed. Finally, I do think that DCPS can take a page from charters and create more schools that are "known" for something and draw families seeking that - be it arts programs, language, year round school, long days, short days, whatever. In education ONE size does NOT fit all.

You can see the lack of morality here, where she claims some sort of messed up authority by having used the systems she now denigrates. She also makes the wild claim that Hearst would somehow become more economically diverse if it was limited to the Ward 3 parents who have paid for their school. And the fun part where she claims to care about integration but is also determined that this must be some other, EOTP families instead of her own. Her lack of willingness to do anything herself to achieve this betrays her real priorities.

We see things differently. Bon jour!

Yeah it’s clear. You believe that you deserve better because you have money. It’s explicit. Most people would not consider that to be moral, unless they follow the prosperity gospel or generic republicanism.

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Wow. Hearst parents are the worst. This is some of the worst of DCUM I have seen.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up

^^there is no hope arguing with this lady. She firmly believes that having more money means you SHOULD have better schools and resources. And poor people should stick to their own place/station with the other poors who also have few resources. This is of course, despite the evidence showing that mixing improves things for everyone. And that is the issue: in reality, she does not care about improving things for others.

She is very explicitly for segregation by wealth. In DC this is also a proxy for other kinds of segregation. The disconnect here is that the rest of us follow the research, which also happens to be on the side of morality. This woman is not. You can’t convince her through logic or a shared sense of morality, because she doesn’t have one.

LOL LOL I've been on welfare honey. I am pointing out that when achievable, economically "mixed" schools are great. I also voiced support for the OOB process as a whole (self -selection) which I have used for my own family. However, schools systems that try to engineer this nirvana by assigning schools to kids have largely failed (see SF as an example). And with self selection, you will never obtain that "perfect" mix in every school; the demographics and incomes across the city, plus people's preference to go to their geographically close school when possible, just won't support it. If Hearst is 5 percent disadvantaged, YOU are the one supporting segregation by seeking out a school that isn't really economically mixed. Finally, I do think that DCPS can take a page from charters and create more schools that are "known" for something and draw families seeking that - be it arts programs, language, year round school, long days, short days, whatever. In education ONE size does NOT fit all.

You can see the lack of morality here, where she claims some sort of messed up authority by having used the systems she now denigrates. She also makes the wild claim that Hearst would somehow become more economically diverse if it was limited to the Ward 3 parents who have paid for their school. And the fun part where she claims to care about integration but is also determined that this must be some other, EOTP families instead of her own. Her lack of willingness to do anything herself to achieve this betrays her real priorities.

We see things differently. Bon jour!

Yeah it’s clear. You believe that you deserve better because you have money. It’s explicit. Most people would not consider that to be moral, unless they follow the prosperity gospel or generic republicanism.

Lady, there is no magic power in the bricks at Hearst. The is no magic potion coming out of the fountains at Janney. They aren’t serving smart burgers in the cafeteria at Mann. Nobody is “buying” anything. BUT couples did make a choice to surround themselves with other parents who place education above all else. Above the cool bars in Petworth. Above larger, more affordable houses in Brookland. Above shorter commutes. Yes, some families live in expensive houses. Some live in more modest townhomes. Some rent apartments. All made wise decisions and many made sacrifices to prioritize their kids education. If you took all the kids from Murch and enrolled them at a school EOTP, that school, would overnight be one of the best in the city. And you would be clamoring to lottery into it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. Hearst parents are the worst. This is some of the worst of DCUM I have seen.

It’s an unpleasant atmosphere. I grit my teeth and get through it by sticking with the parents who are lovely, but don’t let anyone tell you this is not representative of the school. It’s worth it to me because the teachers and the academics are excellent, I like the arts emphasis, and I like the principal. I just try to shield my child as much as possible from bearing the brunt of the wrath of the meaner grownups.