Feedback on Hearst for 2nd and K

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely. But OOB families shouldn't take it personally either if people question how they got there (IMO as a former OOB family)

What right do you have to expect answers to that?

If people question the system or the principal's choices within it. Not the OOB families themselves.

[Anonymous]

The confusing part is adding trailers to a school that was recently renovated.

[Anonymous]

Man Hearst sounds like a miserable place to be. I hope for OP’s sake the anti-OOB contingent is just one DCUM poster straw manning this entire 12 page thread.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

Well sounds like you made a mistake buying where you did, because that’s not reality and just not how the system works in DC. Work on accepting your situation, even if it’s not what you thought it would be, and you’ll feel better for it.

[Anonymous]

Everyone please stop. It’s a great school. I’ve never encountered this discourse except here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone please stop. It’s a great school. I’ve never encountered this discourse except here.

+1000 (Hearst Parent of nearly a decade).

[Anonymous]

OP here. I wanted to report back from the open house. The parents and kids we met were extremely welcoming and kind. The teachers seemed fantastic and warm. The building is beautiful, and the trailer classroom was better than expected. My kids cannot wait for school to start.

From what I can gather, the trailers were added to add a classroom to the lower grades for smaller class sizes for everyone. My kids' classes have 17 and 15 kids right now, which is going to be great for more individualized instruction and attention for kids and more distancing for covid safety. One teacher said she had had 29 kids in a classroom before and this was going to be a much better environment for her to teach and the kids to learn.

Thanks again to all the Hearst parents chiming in to say this thread is not representative of what they've experienced! Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I wanted to report back from the open house. The parents and kids we met were extremely welcoming and kind. The teachers seemed fantastic and warm. The building is beautiful, and the trailer classroom was better than expected. My kids cannot wait for school to start.

From what I can gather, the trailers were added to add a classroom to the lower grades for smaller class sizes for everyone. My kids' classes have 17 and 15 kids right now, which is going to be great for more individualized instruction and attention for kids and more distancing for covid safety. One teacher said she had had 29 kids in a classroom before and this was going to be a much better environment for her to teach and the kids to learn.

Thanks again to all the Hearst parents chiming in to say this thread is not representative of what they've experienced! Hope everyone has a nice weekend.

Spoiler alert: Once the official count happens in October, those 17/15 classes will each receive 5 to 7 “new” kids. Where do you think those kids will come from? See how this works now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Wheeew that was a lot of words to not answer the question of why you deserve it more because you had more money instead of luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Wheeew that was a lot of words to not answer the question of why you deserve it more because you had more money instead of luck.

I guess you missed the part where I said I've done out of boundary. I don't begrudge anyone doing what they are allowed to do, but it doesn't "make it better" for everyone and it is fair to question it when a school is over enrolled soeace wise

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s basically a cohort of parents at Hearst who are pretty unsophisticated and believe that until a WOTP school has truly “flipped” completely and is all-white (read all-inbounds) it is “less than” the whiter WOTP schools. Unfortunately, I don’t think it’s just one person, although it’s certainly not the majority. And is is *SO embarrassing.*

This is obviously the same person who keeps talking about a "cohort of parents" at Hearst. There is no cohort, and no evil plan. There are just parents who live in the neighborhood, want to send their kids to their local school, and don't want it to be overcrowded. And then here are parents who want to live in their "diverse" neighborhoods but don't want to send their kids to their school with their diverse neighbors.

You haven’t explained why you deserve the thing you bought that others received through luck. Is it simply that buying it has higher value to you? You didn’t build Hearst.

This doesn't make sense. Our entire public education system is pretty much neighborhood school based. And yes, people buy for that reason. Lots of current attempts to circumvent this have failed, like SF sending all kids far from home and a ton of people "fleeing" public education. DCs lottery system is pretty great 50:50 win win for a lot of families (I have used it myself, and in schools with it including Hearst it sounds like it can lead to a great mix of kids and families)--but let's admit it rewards motivated parents and leaves some schools kid of depleted. The distribution of wealth/funding to all schools is fair in DC , unlike much of America (besides PTA fundraising which has been a current and interesting equity conversation in DC) . In fact schools with poorer or challenging populations actually get more funding simply based on that. However, the distribution of high SES home literacy peer classmates will never be "even". I don't have a problem with more homogenous schools-ie high SES crammed in one, low SES in another, since instead of teaching to the middle I think it allows DCPS to focus on the needs of "a" population. I wish they would look to charters and specialize even more--different families really need different things, but they all need excellence that meets and raises the bar of support and enrichment for their children, whatever that may look like in their community. I do think it is fair for IB families to ask questions like "why trailers?" not of OOB families, but of the principal and system at large. Lotteries are fine with seats available, but if there aren't seats then that's kind of the answer in itself and "the system" moves you on to either applying to a different school OOB, improving your own IB, looking at charter, independent or homeschooling. All of which may have positive or negative ripple effects that is DCPS issue to address, not OOB or IB families.

Everything you just said is wrong. I don’t even know where to start so I guess I’ll begin where you suggested segregating schools based on economic status. There are so many studies that show students succeed more in schools when mixed between SES.
The distribution of wealth and resources is not fair in dcps. Look at my school where about 10% of smart boards work compared to schools WOTP where they are being constantly fixed and turned around. Look at where school renovations and modernizations are happening at higher rates.
And finally, please be a little more thoughtful when proposing your grand education plans. There’s a reason we’re in this mess and it’s ideas like yours

Everything I said is right. Of course mixed SES schools work well, but there are not enough high SES and middle SES and low SES to create that "perfect mix" you seek in every school. At that point, accepting reality and creating schools with a purpose and intentionality like you dual.immersions, or charters like your KIPPS or Latins work well for specific groups of people.woth identifiable needs - like longer schooldays and homework help. As to funding, schools with low SES get more money per pupil in that designation. fact. If DCPS mishandles it, that's where you the parent speak up and demand answers to why the SmartBoards aren't being kept up