High school magnet test

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

The highest the Lexile scale goes is 2000. They don't differentiate by grade past 12th. I just read somewhere that typical undergrad texts are around a 1350 lexile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

Based on my experience writing a lower-level college textbook, the typical Lexile range for college is 1200L to 1400L. However, many upper-level courses in the social sciences and humanities use textbooks up to the 1700L. Therefore, a student in the 1750L-2000L range would find any college textbook accessible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

I've had a hard time figuring that out. Here's a chart that gives 50th and 90th percentile lexiles at various grades, but it only goes up to 12th grade and a 1610 Lexile: https://hub.lexile.com/lexile-grade-level-charts
Here's also a sheet with examples of texts at different levels that only goes up to the 1500+ range: http://cdn.lexile.com/m/cms_page_media/135/Lexile%20Map_8.5x11_FINAL_Updated_May_2013%20(4).pdf

Honestly, I'm not sure how seriously to take the MAP-R Lexile, especially at the high end. My 5th grader just got a lexile range on the fall MAP-R of 1670-1820, and I'm guessing it's so high partially due to the ceiling of the MAP-R at her level (I know the test changes in 6th grade).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

Based on my experience writing a lower-level college textbook, the typical Lexile range for college is 1200L to 1400L. However, many upper-level courses in the social sciences and humanities use textbooks up to the 1700L. Therefore, a student in the 1750L-2000L range would find any college textbook accessible.

Thanks that is really helpful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could someone tell me more about how the "READING LEVEL" has been assessed?

Lexile levels are listed on the MAP score reports, so I’m guessing that’s what they mean. They don’t really do any other testing in middle school that could qualify as “reading levels.”

+1 Lexile on MAP R

Can someone explain the lexile to me? If 11-12th grade Lexile goes only up to 1350
what is a Lexile of

1750-2000?

Is there a college level associated with that?

I've had a hard time figuring that out. Here's a chart that gives 50th and 90th percentile lexiles at various grades, but it only goes up to 12th grade and a 1610 Lexile: https://hub.lexile.com/lexile-grade-level-charts
Here's also a sheet with examples of texts at different levels that only goes up to the 1500+ range: http://cdn.lexile.com/m/cms_page_media/135/Lexile%20Map_8.5x11_FINAL_Updated_May_2013%20(4).pdf

Honestly, I'm not sure how seriously to take the MAP-R Lexile, especially at the high end. My 5th grader just got a lexile range on the fall MAP-R of 1670-1820, and I'm guessing it's so high partially due to the ceiling of the MAP-R at her level (I know the test changes in 6th grade).

It doesn't matter how seriously you take it. The MCPS HS Magnet non-test (2020) applications are where Reading Lexiles are a component in acceptance this year, hence the discussion.

[Anonymous]

NWEA maker of MAP tests says Lexile levels are calculated off RIT scores. So looks like Lexie adds nothing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWEA maker of MAP tests says Lexile levels are calculated off RIT scores. So looks like Lexie adds nothing?

As stated in the MCPS update - READING LEVELS are a consideration in applications this year. If the reading levels are reported by MAP under a Lexile rubric, that is what is being considered.

Regardless of this info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NWEA maker of MAP tests says Lexile levels are calculated off RIT scores. So looks like Lexie adds nothing?

Yeah, it looks like a straight conversion from RIT to lexile — here’s a 2019 chart that almost, but not quite, matches my kids’ 2020 scores/Lexiles: https://cleveland.schoolnet.com/Outreach/Content/ServeAttachment.aspx?outreach_content_id=a5039ccc-37ab-4822-9e63-a4e6b2a95286

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:NWEA maker of MAP tests says Lexile levels are calculated off RIT scores. So looks like Lexie adds nothing?

Yeah, it looks like a straight conversion from RIT to lexile — here’s a 2019 chart that almost, but not quite, matches my kids’ 2020 scores/Lexiles: https://cleveland.schoolnet.com/Outreach/Content/ServeAttachment.aspx?outreach_content_id=a5039ccc-37ab-4822-9e63-a4e6b2a95286

They renormed in 2020 - that is probably the difference

[Anonymous]

In keeping with the HS magnet process of choosing candidates this year, does anyone know for sure, what kind of stats they have?

Is it only straight A students with 99 Maps / Language & Math? and 2000 Lexiles?

Or is there usually some variation on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In keeping with the HS magnet process of choosing candidates this year, does anyone know for sure, what kind of stats they have?

Is it only straight A students with 99 Maps / Language & Math? and 2000 Lexiles?

Or is there usually some variation on this?

I think there is variation. There are approx. 12,500 8th graders. How many students have straight A's AND 99% MAP scores, etc? Let's say MCPS has a higher concentration of 99% students in some zip codes and more students overall than the national average--so let's assume 2-3% of students fit the description instead of 1% for test scores. That would be 250-375 students. Statistically, all of those students do not have all A's. But let's assume 80-85% do-- so approx. 318 students max. There are more magnet seats at the high school level in various programs: Poolesville (STEM, Humanities, Global), Blair STEM and CAP, RMIB, and Wheaton (DCC). Also, historically, MCPS accepts at least 40% additional students to most programs to account for yield.

Not all of these students will apply to the same programs because of individual strengths and/or interests, or apply to any of these magnet programs for various reasons, e.g., commute/distance, friends, local AP/IB options, etc. Also, consider that some students with straight A's and 99% scores OR with a few B's or mid-90's MAP scores may better show more interest in language or computer programming, for example, through their activities, awards, etc. in their short answers. Because MCPS is not transparent about the admissions process, we don't know how much weight is given to grades, test scores, students' answers/essays, etc. Finally, we don't know how many students applied this year. Because MCPS extended the deadline, it seems safe to conclude that fewer students applied this year and the difference was significant to extend the deadline one week.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In keeping with the HS magnet process of choosing candidates this year, does anyone know for sure, what kind of stats they have?

Is it only straight A students with 99 Maps / Language & Math? and 2000 Lexiles?

Or is there usually some variation on this?

I think there is variation. There are approx. 12,500 8th graders. How many students have straight A's AND 99% MAP scores, etc? Let's say MCPS has a higher concentration of 99% students in some zip codes and more students overall than the national average--so let's assume 2-3% of students fit the description instead of 1% for test scores. That would be 250-375 students. Statistically, all of those students do not have all A's. But let's assume 80-85% do-- so approx. 318 students max. There are more magnet seats at the high school level in various programs: Poolesville (STEM, Humanities, Global), Blair STEM and CAP, RMIB, and Wheaton (DCC). Also, historically, MCPS accepts at least 40% additional students to most programs to account for yield.

Not all of these students will apply to the same programs because of individual strengths and/or interests, or apply to any of these magnet programs for various reasons, e.g., commute/distance, friends, local AP/IB options, etc. Also, consider that some students with straight A's and 99% scores OR with a few B's or mid-90's MAP scores may better show more interest in language or computer programming, for example, through their activities, awards, etc. in their short answers. Because MCPS is not transparent about the admissions process, we don't know how much weight is given to grades, test scores, students' answers/essays, etc. Finally, we don't know how many students applied this year. Because MCPS extended the deadline, it seems safe to conclude that fewer students applied this year and the difference was significant to extend the deadline one week.

Thanks for this perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In keeping with the HS magnet process of choosing candidates this year, does anyone know for sure, what kind of stats they have?

Is it only straight A students with 99 Maps / Language & Math? and 2000 Lexiles?

Or is there usually some variation on this?

I think there is variation. There are approx. 12,500 8th graders. How many students have straight A's AND 99% MAP scores, etc? Let's say MCPS has a higher concentration of 99% students in some zip codes and more students overall than the national average--so let's assume 2-3% of students fit the description instead of 1% for test scores. That would be 250-375 students. Statistically, all of those students do not have all A's. But let's assume 80-85% do-- so approx. 318 students max. There are more magnet seats at the high school level in various programs: Poolesville (STEM, Humanities, Global), Blair STEM and CAP, RMIB, and Wheaton (DCC). Also, historically, MCPS accepts at least 40% additional students to most programs to account for yield.

Not all of these students will apply to the same programs because of individual strengths and/or interests, or apply to any of these magnet programs for various reasons, e.g., commute/distance, friends, local AP/IB options, etc. Also, consider that some students with straight A's and 99% scores OR with a few B's or mid-90's MAP scores may better show more interest in language or computer programming, for example, through their activities, awards, etc. in their short answers. Because MCPS is not transparent about the admissions process, we don't know how much weight is given to grades, test scores, students' answers/essays, etc. Finally, we don't know how many students applied this year. Because MCPS extended the deadline, it seems safe to conclude that fewer students applied this year and the difference was significant to extend the deadline one week.

Good analysis. The quiet extension of the deadline is interesting in itself. I don't delete emails from MCPS, checked spam, and did not receive it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In keeping with the HS magnet process of choosing candidates this year, does anyone know for sure, what kind of stats they have?

Is it only straight A students with 99 Maps / Language & Math? and 2000 Lexiles?

Or is there usually some variation on this?

I think there is variation. There are approx. 12,500 8th graders. How many students have straight A's AND 99% MAP scores, etc? Let's say MCPS has a higher concentration of 99% students in some zip codes and more students overall than the national average--so let's assume 2-3% of students fit the description instead of 1% for test scores. That would be 250-375 students. Statistically, all of those students do not have all A's. But let's assume 80-85% do-- so approx. 318 students max. There are more magnet seats at the high school level in various programs: Poolesville (STEM, Humanities, Global), Blair STEM and CAP, RMIB, and Wheaton (DCC). Also, historically, MCPS accepts at least 40% additional students to most programs to account for yield.

Not all of these students will apply to the same programs because of individual strengths and/or interests, or apply to any of these magnet programs for various reasons, e.g., commute/distance, friends, local AP/IB options, etc. Also, consider that some students with straight A's and 99% scores OR with a few B's or mid-90's MAP scores may better show more interest in language or computer programming, for example, through their activities, awards, etc. in their short answers. Because MCPS is not transparent about the admissions process, we don't know how much weight is given to grades, test scores, students' answers/essays, etc. Finally, we don't know how many students applied this year. Because MCPS extended the deadline, it seems safe to conclude that fewer students applied this year and the difference was significant to extend the deadline one week.

Good analysis. The quiet extension of the deadline is interesting in itself. I don't delete emails from MCPS, checked spam, and did not receive it.

OP here: thanks. I also couldn't find a copy of the email. Didn't delete any emails and checked spam.