Since people are now redshirting spring bday kids

[Anonymous]

Red shirting your kid is like bringing your support dog on an airplane.

Sometimes it's essential for the well being of the person in question.

Many times it's an allowance that appears to be taken advantage. By a parent who wants Johnny to be the best lacrosse player, or a 23 year old girl who wants her yorkie on her lap rather than with the luggage. My guess is that 23 year old often turns into Johnny's mom.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I'm not a fan of redshirting, but it's not due to economic anxiety (we have a child in private, one that doesn't allow redshirting, AFAIK). It actually doesn't personally affect my situation at all. But I don't like it from a societal perspective, because once more and more people do it, it's becomes a slippery slope as to how far schools and curricula will have to adjust for older and older kids, not to mention teachers as they scramble to accommodate a wider range of ages in their lesson plans.

Finally, I do think it's an unfair advantage that a small percentage of affluent, mostly white families use to position their children in the top of the class academically and athletically (here, I'm not referring to legitimate developmental delays, recommendations of pediatricians, etc.). I think it also may exacerbate the achievement gap in some situations, when middle/lower SES minority families can't afford to do the same.

Wow. It's like you are trying to demonstrate the point about the lack of self-reflection from anti redshirt people.

Can you please expand on this? Do you typically see a moose and shout “squirrel!” in total confidence that saying black is white is a failsafe strategy?

Do you genuinely not understand the hypocrisy shown by making the two statements in bold apparently without any irony? Amazing. Keep digging in deeper.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

So what if it is? The angst of actual redshirters is economic as well? They want to advantage their own children by giving them an extra year

Shrug. They advantage their kids in many ways. Private tutors, private lessons, elite camps, pricey extracurriculars. That's why people want to be rich... So they can afford what money can buy.

Okay... but that's not an argument as to whether they should be doing it or not.

Sure it is. It's allowed, and they can afford it. They shouldn't have to defend it anymore than they should have to defend paying for private music lessons.

Again, just because something's allowed doesn't mean we should allow it or that it's a good thing.

Cool, sounds like an argument for socialism. Good luck with that. You should also be rude to parents who pay for extracurriculars and tutors because it's "unfair." Sounds like something an immature girl would do.

Nice debate skills. SOCIALISM! No one has implied in this thread that parents should not give their kids advantages. This is about one specific kind of advantage and whether that specific advantage is proper or not.

And they redshirted want todo it o. The public dime. They don’t want to move. They don’t want tutors. They don’t want people who see children across a span to tell them their kid is ready: The psychopath here who screams about other kids with IEPs is much more likely than not making fun of a child with actual, provable SNs or delays, but she has no ethics anyway, so.

[Anonymous]

I have a few friends with 19 year old high school seniors due to red shirtting. It's crazy how much that one year makes in regards to their family dynamic. Lots of fighting and arguing with "I'm over 18!" being thrown around.

One friend called the police on her son because he didn't come home for two days (was angry at his parents). The police showed up at the friend's house where he was crashing and once they found out he was over 18, went back to her and admonished her for not revealing his age prior to making the call. Her FB post on the situation was hilarious because she felt like she had been SO wronged by the police.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I'm not a fan of redshirting, but it's not due to economic anxiety (we have a child in private, one that doesn't allow redshirting, AFAIK). It actually doesn't personally affect my situation at all. But I don't like it from a societal perspective, because once more and more people do it, it's becomes a slippery slope as to how far schools and curricula will have to adjust for older and older kids, not to mention teachers as they scramble to accommodate a wider range of ages in their lesson plans.

Finally, I do think it's an unfair advantage that a small percentage of affluent, mostly white families use to position their children in the top of the class academically and athletically (here, I'm not referring to legitimate developmental delays, recommendations of pediatricians, etc.). I think it also may exacerbate the achievement gap in some situations, when middle/lower SES minority families can't afford to do the same.

Wow. It's like you are trying to demonstrate the point about the lack of self-reflection from anti redshirt people.

Can you please expand on this? Do you typically see a moose and shout “squirrel!” in total confidence that saying black is white is a failsafe strategy?

Do you genuinely not understand the hypocrisy shown by making the two statements in bold apparently without any irony? Amazing. Keep digging in deeper.

You’re attempting to gain a quasi private school advantage in the public system, and you’re scummy for it. People have been gentle with your hysterical ass but hell.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I am sure that it is.
This is an awesome opinion piece on it. The writer is halarious and sharp.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_graying_of_kindergarten_th.html

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Anonymous wrote:I have a few friends with 19 year old high school seniors due to red shirtting. It's crazy how much that one year makes in regards to their family dynamic. Lots of fighting and arguing with "I'm over 18!" being thrown around.

One friend called the police on her son because he didn't come home for two days (was angry at his parents). The police showed up at the friend's house where he was crashing and once they found out he was over 18, went back to her and admonished her for not revealing his age prior to making the call. Her FB post on the situation was hilarious because she felt like she had been SO wronged by the police.

I'm one of the PPs who wasn't redshirted, but was 4 days over the cutoff. I was a good kid/teen, but I flew in the face of the "we'll get to have her here with us an extra year!' argument my parents also reasoned and left home at 16 and never looked back. Great home life, love my parents, but was mature enough and always felt too old for my peer group. So that didn't exactly work out according to plan and we laugh about it now.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

Why do you care that they care? Are you insecure about your choices?

Hmm, I guess I was caught up on reading a long thread and offered an observation. As for feeling insecure... I don't think so. I have not redshirted my kids because they were born in the middle of the year. It is interesting to see your hostility.

OK but then you don’t need comment lol!! You don’t understand what it’s like to have a not redshirted young for the grade kid.
My oldest went on time with an August bday and while I’m largely over it now (he’s 9), it was hard seeing kids 15+ months older than him in his grade in the early years.
Contrast that with my middle 2, Dec. and Jan. bdays - IDGAF about redshirting of other kids in their grades because 6-8 months older than them - that’s nothing compared to how much older the other kids were with DC1!

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I'm not a fan of redshirting, but it's not due to economic anxiety (we have a child in private, one that doesn't allow redshirting, AFAIK). It actually doesn't personally affect my situation at all. But I don't like it from a societal perspective, because once more and more people do it, it's becomes a slippery slope as to how far schools and curricula will have to adjust for older and older kids, not to mention teachers as they scramble to accommodate a wider range of ages in their lesson plans.

Finally, I do think it's an unfair advantage that a small percentage of affluent, mostly white families use to position their children in the top of the class academically and athletically (here, I'm not referring to legitimate developmental delays, recommendations of pediatricians, etc.). I think it also may exacerbate the achievement gap in some situations, when middle/lower SES minority families can't afford to do the same.

Wow. It's like you are trying to demonstrate the point about the lack of self-reflection from anti redshirt people.

Can you please expand on this? Do you typically see a moose and shout “squirrel!” in total confidence that saying black is white is a failsafe strategy?

Do you genuinely not understand the hypocrisy shown by making the two statements in bold apparently without any irony? Amazing. Keep digging in deeper.

You’re attempting to gain a quasi private school advantage in the public system, and you’re scummy for it. People have been gentle with your hysterical ass but hell.

I see you don't like having your deep hypocrisy noticed. Take a breath. Also, why do you think I redshirted? I didn't. I don't need to have redshirted to observe glaring hypocrites, though. I mean, that PP laid it out herself.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, but I think boys are at a real disadvantage if they have summer bdays and their parents start on time. Every example I've seen has been awful... Including my older brother (August bday), my husband (September bday) , and multiple friends' boys (all summer and September bdays) . Every single one of them, without fail, says it was a mistake but to redshirt. Starting these immature kids in today's kindergarten is a recipe for adhd meds, anxiety, and social issues. Maybe you have the exceptional boy, if so, great.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I am sure that it is.
This is an awesome opinion piece on it. The writer is halarious and sharp.
https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/10/the_graying_of_kindergarten_th.html

Are you the poster who keeps flexing a non-extant intellect and demanding studies, redshirter?

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I'm not a fan of redshirting, but it's not due to economic anxiety (we have a child in private, one that doesn't allow redshirting, AFAIK). It actually doesn't personally affect my situation at all. But I don't like it from a societal perspective, because once more and more people do it, it's becomes a slippery slope as to how far schools and curricula will have to adjust for older and older kids, not to mention teachers as they scramble to accommodate a wider range of ages in their lesson plans.

Finally, I do think it's an unfair advantage that a small percentage of affluent, mostly white families use to position their children in the top of the class academically and athletically (here, I'm not referring to legitimate developmental delays, recommendations of pediatricians, etc.). I think it also may exacerbate the achievement gap in some situations, when middle/lower SES minority families can't afford to do the same.

Wow. It's like you are trying to demonstrate the point about the lack of self-reflection from anti redshirt people.

Can you please expand on this? Do you typically see a moose and shout “squirrel!” in total confidence that saying black is white is a failsafe strategy?

Do you genuinely not understand the hypocrisy shown by making the two statements in bold apparently without any irony? Amazing. Keep digging in deeper.

You’re attempting to gain a quasi private school advantage in the public system, and you’re scummy for it. People have been gentle with your hysterical ass but hell.

I see you don't like having your deep hypocrisy noticed. Take a breath. Also, why do you think I redshirted? I didn't. I don't need to have redshirted to observe glaring hypocrites, though. I mean, that PP laid it out herself.

You need a dictionary and a shrink - and a profession. How old are your kids? Are you aware of what board you’re trolling?

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I think boys are at a real disadvantage if they have summer bdays and their parents start on time. Every example I've seen has been awful... Including my older brother (August bday), my husband (September bday) , and multiple friends' boys (all summer and September bdays) . Every single one of them, without fail, says it was a mistake but to redshirt. Starting these immature kids in today's kindergarten is a recipe for adhd meds, anxiety, and social issues. Maybe you have the exceptional boy, if so, great.

Oh GMAFB!

I'm male, have an October birthday, started K at 4 years old, college at 17 and don't experience any of the pathologies you've listed.

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but I think boys are at a real disadvantage if they have summer bdays and their parents start on time. Every example I've seen has been awful... Including my older brother (August bday), my husband (September bday) , and multiple friends' boys (all summer and September bdays) . Every single one of them, without fail, says it was a mistake but to redshirt. Starting these immature kids in today's kindergarten is a recipe for adhd meds, anxiety, and social issues. Maybe you have the exceptional boy, if so, great.

Oh GMAFB!

I'm male, have an October birthday, started K at 4 years old, college at 17 and don't experience any of the pathologies you've listed.

Cool story, bro.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if some of the angst of the anti redshirters is economic. Academic redshirting is done by those who can afford it if they see the need. People who can't afford another year of childcare may feel bitter about this.

I'm not a fan of redshirting, but it's not due to economic anxiety (we have a child in private, one that doesn't allow redshirting, AFAIK). It actually doesn't personally affect my situation at all. But I don't like it from a societal perspective, because once more and more people do it, it's becomes a slippery slope as to how far schools and curricula will have to adjust for older and older kids, not to mention teachers as they scramble to accommodate a wider range of ages in their lesson plans.

Finally, I do think it's an unfair advantage that a small percentage of affluent, mostly white families use to position their children in the top of the class academically and athletically (here, I'm not referring to legitimate developmental delays, recommendations of pediatricians, etc.). I think it also may exacerbate the achievement gap in some situations, when middle/lower SES minority families can't afford to do the same.

Wow. It's like you are trying to demonstrate the point about the lack of self-reflection from anti redshirt people.

Can you please expand on this? Do you typically see a moose and shout “squirrel!” in total confidence that saying black is white is a failsafe strategy?

Do you genuinely not understand the hypocrisy shown by making the two statements in bold apparently without any irony? Amazing. Keep digging in deeper.

You’re attempting to gain a quasi private school advantage in the public system, and you’re scummy for it. People have been gentle with your hysterical ass but hell.

I see you don't like having your deep hypocrisy noticed. Take a breath. Also, why do you think I redshirted? I didn't. I don't need to have redshirted to observe glaring hypocrites, though. I mean, that PP laid it out herself.

You need a dictionary and a shrink - and a profession. How old are your kids? Are you aware of what board you’re trolling?

Ah, the elegance of the logically cornered anti-DCUM redshirter. Thanks for being an object lesson!