I don't get it- very few CES kids get into magnet school?

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Anonymous wrote:So who actually needs a magnet program in your opinion? Not the poor Asian child who has a high IQ, works really hard and is prepped because her parents want to make sure she has the best chance of getting in?

The child's nationality doesn't matter. Any child, of any nationality, who is bright enough to really need the magnet program is a child who doesn't need a prep program. A bright child from a poorer family needs it more than a child from a better off family. And a bright child with parents who don't highly value education is the one who needs it most of all.

The kids from families with money or who value education will do fine because their families can provide support and enrichment.

+1 I saw someone in one of the other threads claiming the prepped kids were the best bet because prepping "proves" that families value education and I just....I can't believe people are willing to claim with a straight face that the only children who should be eligible for advanced curricula are those kids who won the parental lottery. It blows my mind.

It blows my mind that advanced curricula should be only available for families that don't value education.

ONLY? So the magnets are now ONLY comprised of immigrant, poor, brown, east-county kids whose parents don’t value education?

You admit a couple more poor brown kids, even though Asian and white kids still predominate, and people really freak out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who actually needs a magnet program in your opinion? Not the poor Asian child who has a high IQ, works really hard and is prepped because her parents want to make sure she has the best chance of getting in?

The child's nationality doesn't matter. Any child, of any nationality, who is bright enough to really need the magnet program is a child who doesn't need a prep program. A bright child from a poorer family needs it more than a child from a better off family. And a bright child with parents who don't highly value education is the one who needs it most of all.

The kids from families with money or who value education will do fine because their families can provide support and enrichment.

+1 I saw someone in one of the other threads claiming the prepped kids were the best bet because prepping "proves" that families value education and I just....I can't believe people are willing to claim with a straight face that the only children who should be eligible for advanced curricula are those kids who won the parental lottery. It blows my mind.

It blows my mind that advanced curricula should be only available for families that don't value education.

It is not for the families, it is for the individual children. A bright child born into a family that doesn’t highly value education is so much more in need of a magnet program than a child born into a family that will provide all kinds of tutoring and test prep.

In addition, society benefits in all kinds of ways by giving that bright poor kid the tools he/she needs to be successful. Come on- this should be obvious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who actually needs a magnet program in your opinion? Not the poor Asian child who has a high IQ, works really hard and is prepped because her parents want to make sure she has the best chance of getting in?

The child's nationality doesn't matter. Any child, of any nationality, who is bright enough to really need the magnet program is a child who doesn't need a prep program. A bright child from a poorer family needs it more than a child from a better off family. And a bright child with parents who don't highly value education is the one who needs it most of all.

The kids from families with money or who value education will do fine because their families can provide support and enrichment.

+1 I saw someone in one of the other threads claiming the prepped kids were the best bet because prepping "proves" that families value education and I just....I can't believe people are willing to claim with a straight face that the only children who should be eligible for advanced curricula are those kids who won the parental lottery. It blows my mind.

It blows my mind that advanced curricula should be only available for families that don't value education.

It is not for the families, it is for the individual children. A bright child born into a family that doesn’t highly value education is so much more in need of a magnet program than a child born into a family that will provide all kinds of tutoring and test prep.

In addition, society benefits in all kinds of ways by giving that bright poor kid the tools he/she needs to be successful. Come on- this should be obvious.

It's apparently difficult for many people to understand how this serves the greater good especially when it may not be in their own best interest.

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Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

That plan wouldn't work because of building capacity. Your plan would add 125+ kids to the school compared to the current 100 seats beyond in-boundary capacity. The school is already over capacity by 150 students.

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Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

Yes it did help poor AA and Latino kids. According to their own report the number of African American kids invited to CES last year went up by 43%, Hispanic invited went up by 54% and invited FARMS more than doubled: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/Update%20Enrich%20Accelerate%20Prog%20Place%20Results.pdf

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Invited is not accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Invited is not accepted.

Yes, but the number invited is what is within MCPS's control, so it's the relevant statistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So who actually needs a magnet program in your opinion? Not the poor Asian child who has a high IQ, works really hard and is prepped because her parents want to make sure she has the best chance of getting in?

The child's nationality doesn't matter. Any child, of any nationality, who is bright enough to really need the magnet program is a child who doesn't need a prep program. A bright child from a poorer family needs it more than a child from a better off family. And a bright child with parents who don't highly value education is the one who needs it most of all.

The kids from families with money or who value education will do fine because their families can provide support and enrichment.

+1 I saw someone in one of the other threads claiming the prepped kids were the best bet because prepping "proves" that families value education and I just....I can't believe people are willing to claim with a straight face that the only children who should be eligible for advanced curricula are those kids who won the parental lottery. It blows my mind.

It blows my mind that advanced curricula should be only available for families that don't value education.

Kumbaya my Lord, kumbaya.

He shall provide. So shall taxpayers!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

Yes it did help poor AA and Latino kids. According to their own report the number of African American kids invited to CES last year went up by 43%, Hispanic invited went up by 54% and invited FARMS more than doubled: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/Update%20Enrich%20Accelerate%20Prog%20Place%20Results.pdf

Correct.

Then they will hide all grades, test results and college data going fw. Pop, they started that 13 mos ago. Enjoy your generic medians and averages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

Yes it did help poor AA and Latino kids. According to their own report the number of African American kids invited to CES last year went up by 43%, Hispanic invited went up by 54% and invited FARMS more than doubled: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/Update%20Enrich%20Accelerate%20Prog%20Place%20Results.pdf

DP

Wow! Thanks for posting that link. Those numbers and percents are interesting. As well as the Memo.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

Yes it did help poor AA and Latino kids. According to their own report the number of African American kids invited to CES last year went up by 43%, Hispanic invited went up by 54% and invited FARMS more than doubled: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/Update%20Enrich%20Accelerate%20Prog%20Place%20Results.pdf

Correct.

Then they will hide all grades, test results and college data going fw. Pop, they started that 13 mos ago. Enjoy your generic medians and averages.

Wow...these numbers are shocking to me. No wonder Asians are pissed. If you look at the report card grades, Asians carry the weight of pushing the scores upward in practically every school in mcps. You look at these report and see the drastic dropoff of Asians accepted, versus whites versus other races.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wait what greater good? In the end the % of URM minorities in the magnet barely changed but there are more lower scoring white kids than higher scoring asian kids. What greater good is it serving to admit a whit kid with 97% and turn away an asian kid with a 99%?

This didn't help poor AA or Latino kids. This helped mediocre white kids in lower performing schools and these kids already special seats set aside for them.

Just remove the special set aside for 1-2 dozen spots reserved for in boundary TP students who don't have to compete against the rest of the schools. Re-allocate those seats to minority FARMS students while letting the rest of the seats go to the highest performing kids. Will there be angry white Takoma Park parents? Yes but let them either work harder to score higher, move to private or move to a W school if they can't stand to be at TP if their snowflake isn't the magnet.

Yes it did help poor AA and Latino kids. According to their own report the number of African American kids invited to CES last year went up by 43%, Hispanic invited went up by 54% and invited FARMS more than doubled: https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/departments/schoolchoice/Update%20Enrich%20Accelerate%20Prog%20Place%20Results.pdf

MCPS has been clear about it goals for the past 5 years. This is exactly what they have been saying they will do, whether you agree with it or not. They are allowed to change the Magnet program to suit their needs, and that is what is going on.

This is their response to the METIS report.

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Wow...these numbers are shocking to me. No wonder Asians are pissed. If you look at the report card grades, Asians carry the weight of pushing the scores upward in practically every school in mcps. You look at these report and see the drastic dropoff of Asians accepted, versus whites versus other races.

Really, Asians? There are that many students in MCPS schools who are immigrants from Asia?

Or are you talking about American kids?

[Anonymous]

What it clearly shows is how heavily people were self selecting for the magnets before universal screening. In 2016, 299 Asian students applied for Takoma, in 2018, 689 were screened--about a 60% increase. By comparison only only 241 white students applied in 2016, while 1230 were identified for screening in 2018--a five fold increase. Of course Asian numbers went down, they had a disproportionate interest in the program and they're applications from viable candidates were probably beyond saturation. Anything that causes more students to apply, is going to disadvantage such a group. URMs are still under represented but the numbers identified are up substantially. Meanwhile Asians are still represented at twice their population, whites at 25% their population--so in no way has anyone been shut out or a quota been instituted.

I just don't see how it can be argued that screening more applicants is a bad thing. Sure it means more people may not accept an offer, but that's better than having people who didn't even know their child should be in the program.