residency fraud? (!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, I've touched a holier than thou nerve.

You belong at a private, hon, a space where you pay tuition with a shot at motivating admins and teachers to toe your moral line (if not fellow parents).

Come on, what really eats you up about the boundary cheaters at your school? Sounds like you have a hidden agenda, likely jealousy, or guilt that these parents take time to sit on tedious parent committees and you don't.

Actually, I don’t care. Doesn’t affect me directly. But it is fun to think of the little wisps of steam coming out of your ears at this point.

I love the residency fraud threads.

[Anonymous]

Ignore her. The lady doth protest too much.

[Anonymous]

WAMU reporter just tweeted on this topic: https://twitter.com/maustermuhle/status/1049744660082626562

OSSE received 269 reports of suspected residency fraud on the tipline during 17-18 school year; just 19 cases have been closed; 6 non-residents found.

The enrollment audit surfaced 201 suspected cases of residency fraud; 110 non-residents found.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like the WAMU reporter should have spoken to parents who are being investigated, to learn about how the process is working.

When we were investigated a couple years back (while divorcing), we were given the name of the fellow parent who'd complained. The parent had written a letter to the investigator's office, which we were shown. We were asked if we thought the issue was "personal." We were required to produce several years of certified tax returns, plus other residency documents DCPS had not asked for before. We were also asked to sign a form agreeing to a home visit (which never took place). A letter reporting the result (cleared) was sent to our principal.

As for the parent who tried to get our children thrown out of teh school, well, she always gets a big hello and smiles from me when I bump into her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not my call. I don't like to judge and don't think a parent should play armchair residency fraud investigator, even if blatant cheating appears to be involved. Would much rather see political pressure applied in a push for holistic solutions.

Where boundary cheating goes, from what I've observed, parents who bitch about cheaters ownign multiple residential properties invariably have personal reasons to go at fellow parents. The complainers claim they don't, but obviously do.
Glad to know that personal vendetta oriented parents snitching on DC taxpayers are generally ignored by city officials.

So you can’t judge if cheating is wrong? All cheating? What if your spouse cheated on you? What if your child cheated on a test? What about cheating on your taxes?

Beyond the residency fraud issue, it is fascinating that some people don’t seem to have a moral compass of their own. Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at your sanctimonious BS.

I actually think it’s a decent question. The person who I know is committing residency fraud has no problem announcing it to people and telling them how she does it/gets away with it. She just doesn’t believe it’s wrong. Fine. However, she has taught her child to lie by drilling her over and over that if anyone asks, she lives in DC and her address is that of her grandmother. I have a problem with that. It definitely shows a lack of ethics/morality to teach your kid to lie because you want her to go to school near where you work and because you don’t want to pay for aftercare. This is someone whose HHI is about 160K, not rich but also not someone who is desperate.

[Anonymous]

Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

Huh?

I really want a true resident of the District to have that slot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sounds like the WAMU reporter should have spoken to parents who are being investigated, to learn about how the process is working.

When we were investigated a couple years back (while divorcing), we were given the name of the fellow parent who'd complained. The parent had written a letter to the investigator's office, which we were shown. We were asked if we thought the issue was "personal." We were required to produce several years of certified tax returns, plus other residency documents DCPS had not asked for before. We were also asked to sign a form agreeing to a home visit (which never took place). A letter reporting the result (cleared) was sent to our principal.

As for the parent who tried to get our children thrown out of teh school, well, she always gets a big hello and smiles from me when I bump into her.

Re-read those stats: only 19 cases of the 269 tips have been officially closed. Of the 19 closed cases, 6 were found to be non-residents (just under one-third).

That means OSSE is sitting on a metric f#ckton of non-investigated tips and perhaps 30% are legit cases of residency fraud. That's higher than I imagined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

Huh?

I really want a true resident of the District to have that slot.

Right, then go for it. But if you're right about the mom's residency situation, and entirely successful, you will be helping kick a little kid out of his beloved school and hitting the family with a big bill that they may not be able to pay. That's the inconvenient truth. Not everybody who's angry about residency fraud in DC can face it in an individual case, where they know the individuals involved.

[Anonymous]

I'm willing to push for changes that would make it a lot harder for non-DC residents to enroll their children in our schools.

Not going so far as trying to get individual children booted from schools, particularly if they've attended a program past ECE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

Huh?

I really want a true resident of the District to have that slot.

Right, then go for it. But if you're right about the mom's residency situation, and entirely successful, you will be helping kick a little kid out of his beloved school and hitting the family with a big bill that they may not be able to pay. That's the inconvenient truth. Not everybody who's angry about residency fraud in DC can face it in an individual case, where they know the individuals involved.

NP. And those things are the fault of the child's parents who knew what they were doing when they decided to defraud the city. Sorry, not sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

What’s wrong with shaming someone if they are cheating for no other reason than their own convenience?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Right, but you can judge the ethics/morality of the mom all day without shaming her, or getting anywhere in particular.

If you truly want her kid tossed out of the school, and the mom charged for back tuition, you need to get down to business with the principal and the OSSE residency fraud office. That's really what you want?

Huh?

I really want a true resident of the District to have that slot.

Right, then go for it. But if you're right about the mom's residency situation, and entirely successful, you will be helping kick a little kid out of his beloved school and hitting the family with a big bill that they may not be able to pay. That's the inconvenient truth. Not everybody who's angry about residency fraud in DC can face it in an individual case, where they know the individuals involved.

NP. And those things are the fault of the child's parents who knew what they were doing when they decided to defraud the city. Sorry, not sorry.

Right! Why is is not the parents’ responsibility? They are the “bad guy” in this situation! They knowingly made a choice to commit fraud.

[Anonymous]

OK, so bust the parents if you can. Some of us aren't going to take action to get a particular kid tossed out. I'd rather focus on trying making it harder, much harder, for Ward 8 residents to enroll their kids in DC schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OK, so bust the parents if you can. Some of us aren't going to take action to get a particular kid tossed out. I'd rather focus on trying making it harder, much harder, for Ward 8 residents to enroll their kids in DC schools.

I think you mean Ward 9. Otherwise that is quite the Freudian slip.

I think busting parents acts as a significant deterrent.