BASIS DCPCSB to open two PK3-5 campuses

[Anonymous]

I should say largely a function of who is in the school. Have the calculated MGP from PARCC scores? That's where you can start to parse out what influence a school is having.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I should say largely a function of who is in the school. Have the calculated MGP from PARCC scores? That's where you can start to parse out what influence a school is having.

Recent MGP not available yet for DCPS. Or at least i haven't been able to find it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Um. Send your kid there if you want better test scores for your IB school. Or realize that you don't want to deal with issues of urban poverty and move off the Hill as you threaten. The test scores are a function of who is in the school, not the quality of the school.

Take a hike.

Test scores are not simply a function of who is in the school. If they were, math scores for white kids at BASIS (mostly from Cap Hill) wouldn't be at least ten points higher than those for white kids at Hobson (almost all from the Hill) across grades. Before you launch into me for suggesting a comparison of white kids' scores, I suggest this only as a means affording us an apples-to-apples (high SES to high SES) comparison.

If you truly want to help "deal with the issues of urban poverty" push DC public to incentivize high SES parents to use by-right middle schools in droves, rather than pointlessly seeking to shame them for failing to send their children. The only draw that could possibly work well would be for diverse schools like Hobson to offer a full complement of at and above-grade level offerings where catchment areas support the demographics to fill such classes, or in city-wide catchment areas through test-in GT programs. I suggest this as a grad of Boston Latin. Some of my best B-Latin buddies are low SES minority kids with professional degrees from Ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Um. Send your kid there if you want better test scores for your IB school. Or realize that you don't want to deal with issues of urban poverty and move off the Hill as you threaten. The test scores are a function of who is in the school, not the quality of the school.

Take a hike.

Test scores are not simply a function of who is in the school. If they were, math scores for white kids at BASIS (mostly from Cap Hill) wouldn't be at least ten points higher than those for white kids at Hobson (almost all from the Hill) across grades. Before you launch into me for suggesting a comparison of white kids' scores, I suggest this only as a means affording us an apples-to-apples (high SES to high SES) comparison.

If you truly want to help "deal with the issues of urban poverty" push DC public to incentivize high SES parents to use by-right middle schools in droves, rather than pointlessly seeking to shame them for failing to send their children. The only draw that could possibly work well would be for diverse schools like Hobson to offer a full complement of at and above-grade level offerings where catchment areas support the demographics to fill such classes, or in city-wide catchment areas through test-in GT programs. I suggest this as a grad of Boston Latin. Some of my best B-Latin buddies are low SES minority kids with professional degrees from Ivies.

DCPS would have to offer test in classes for academic rigor if they want to keep Cap Hill parents in DCPS middles schools (other than Deal).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Um. Send your kid there if you want better test scores for your IB school. Or realize that you don't want to deal with issues of urban poverty and move off the Hill as you threaten. The test scores are a function of who is in the school, not the quality of the school.

Take a hike.

Test scores are not simply a function of who is in the school. If they were, math scores for white kids at BASIS (mostly from Cap Hill) wouldn't be at least ten points higher than those for white kids at Hobson (almost all from the Hill) across grades. Before you launch into me for suggesting a comparison of white kids' scores, I suggest this only as a means affording us an apples-to-apples (high SES to high SES) comparison.

If you truly want to help "deal with the issues of urban poverty" push DC public to incentivize high SES parents to use by-right middle schools in droves, rather than pointlessly seeking to shame them for failing to send their children. The only draw that could possibly work well would be for diverse schools like Hobson to offer a full complement of at and above-grade level offerings where catchment areas support the demographics to fill such classes, or in city-wide catchment areas through test-in GT programs. I suggest this as a grad of Boston Latin. Some of my best B-Latin buddies are low SES minority kids with professional degrees from Ivies.

If Valerie Jablow is to be believed, the DCPS and charter school middle school students aren't taking the same tests so their scores aren't directly comparable: https://educationdc.net/2016/07/05/when-standardized-testing-and-its-reporting-are-not-standardized/

[Anonymous]

And SH white kids outperformed BASIS white kids by 11 percentage points on what IS presumably the same test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Um. Send your kid there if you want better test scores for your IB school. Or realize that you don't want to deal with issues of urban poverty and move off the Hill as you threaten. The test scores are a function of who is in the school, not the quality of the school.

Take a hike.

Test scores are not simply a function of who is in the school. If they were, math scores for white kids at BASIS (mostly from Cap Hill) wouldn't be at least ten points higher than those for white kids at Hobson (almost all from the Hill) across grades. Before you launch into me for suggesting a comparison of white kids' scores, I suggest this only as a means affording us an apples-to-apples (high SES to high SES) comparison.

If you truly want to help "deal with the issues of urban poverty" push DC public to incentivize high SES parents to use by-right middle schools in droves, rather than pointlessly seeking to shame them for failing to send their children. The only draw that could possibly work well would be for diverse schools like Hobson to offer a full complement of at and above-grade level offerings where catchment areas support the demographics to fill such classes, or in city-wide catchment areas through test-in GT programs. I suggest this as a grad of Boston Latin. Some of my best B-Latin buddies are low SES minority kids with professional degrees from Ivies.

If Valerie Jablow is to be believed, the DCPS and charter school middle school students aren't taking the same tests so their scores aren't directly comparable: https://educationdc.net/2016/07/05/when-standardized-testing-and-its-reporting-are-not-standardized/

Interesting! The question is why do not make all of DC public students take the same damn test. That's the only way you can make a statement with certainty that charter is better at educating than non-charter schools.

[Anonymous]

Because the curriculums arent the same.

ELA is same for all. Math varies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Um. Send your kid there if you want better test scores for your IB school. Or realize that you don't want to deal with issues of urban poverty and move off the Hill as you threaten. The test scores are a function of who is in the school, not the quality of the school.

Take a hike.

Test scores are not simply a function of who is in the school. If they were, math scores for white kids at BASIS (mostly from Cap Hill) wouldn't be at least ten points higher than those for white kids at Hobson (almost all from the Hill) across grades. Before you launch into me for suggesting a comparison of white kids' scores, I suggest this only as a means affording us an apples-to-apples (high SES to high SES) comparison.

If you truly want to help "deal with the issues of urban poverty" push DC public to incentivize high SES parents to use by-right middle schools in droves, rather than pointlessly seeking to shame them for failing to send their children. The only draw that could possibly work well would be for diverse schools like Hobson to offer a full complement of at and above-grade level offerings where catchment areas support the demographics to fill such classes, or in city-wide catchment areas through test-in GT programs. I suggest this as a grad of Boston Latin. Some of my best B-Latin buddies are low SES minority kids with professional degrees from Ivies.

If Valerie Jablow is to be believed, the DCPS and charter school middle school students aren't taking the same tests so their scores aren't directly comparable: https://educationdc.net/2016/07/05/when-standardized-testing-and-its-reporting-are-not-standardized/

She's definitely onto something. Lots of smoke and mirrors being used on reporting MS math scores- who knew? Good for her. I want to know more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that DCPC moves at breakneck speed compared to DCPS.

BASIS will have two K-5th schools up and running, offering a challenging curriculum to all comes, while DCPS continues to fuss about offering any grade-level classes in any particular middle school.

A challenging curriculum does not mean having a test-driven education while rushing through every subject. For what it is worth, my child is learning more in our new school than in the three years spent at BASIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that DCPC moves at breakneck speed compared to DCPS.

BASIS will have two K-5th schools up and running, offering a challenging curriculum to all comes, while DCPS continues to fuss about offering any grade-level classes in any particular middle school.

A challenging curriculum does not mean having a test-driven education while rushing through every subject. For what it is worth, my child is learning more in our new school than in the three years spent at BASIS.

The only shock for me would be if that magical school was in DCPS. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that DCPC moves at breakneck speed compared to DCPS.

BASIS will have two K-5th schools up and running, offering a challenging curriculum to all comes, while DCPS continues to fuss about offering any grade-level classes in any particular middle school.

A challenging curriculum does not mean having a test-driven education while rushing through every subject. For what it is worth, my child is learning more in our new school than in the three years spent at BASIS.

Agree and believe it. Which school, or at least which type. Private? Deal for 8th grade? Wilson? Walls? Banneker? Suburban public?

Why in the heck don't all the DC public middle schoolers simply take the same PARCC math proficiency tests? What an absurd situation. Just because college-bound kids study somewhat different high school math doesn't mean that they are given different ACT, PSAT and SAT math sections! Of course not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The reality is that DCPC moves at breakneck speed compared to DCPS.

BASIS will have two K-5th schools up and running, offering a challenging curriculum to all comes, while DCPS continues to fuss about offering any grade-level classes in any particular middle school.

A challenging curriculum does not mean having a test-driven education while rushing through every subject. For what it is worth, my child is learning more in our new school than in the three years spent at BASIS.

Agree and believe it. Which school, or at least which type. Private? Deal for 8th grade? Wilson? Walls? Banneker? Suburban public?

Why in the heck don't all the DC public middle schoolers simply take the same PARCC math proficiency tests? What an absurd situation. Just because college-bound kids study somewhat different high school math doesn't mean that they are given different ACT, PSAT and SAT math sections! Of course not.

Then middle school students should be tested in Math 6, Math 7 and Math 8 - which is what the grade level standards are. That's what all the charters are giving them.
DCPS is giving Alg to middle schooler who are taking Alg. That's a small percentage of the total city-wide, but it's DCPS' choice.

PARCC offers 2 tracks for high school math -- one is to take Alg 1 or Geometry in 10th (depending on what class the student is in) and the second is one Integrated Math test in 10th. DCPS is making all students take both.

BASIS gives Integrated Math because that's how Saxon presents it. DCI will do the same as an IB school once it has 10th graders.

By high school everyone has been tested on the same standards. This isn't a conspiracy.

[Anonymous]

Sorry to jump on the conversation but I think BASIS would be a great fit for my elementary school student. When can we find out if the amendment was approved? Otherwise, what other DC PCs in the NW would be similar to BASIS? Looking for my overly organized, very advanced third grade student whose needs are not being met, and cannot afford private nor to move to a better IB school. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to jump on the conversation but I think BASIS would be a great fit for my elementary school student. When can we find out if the amendment was approved? Otherwise, what other DC PCs in the NW would be similar to BASIS? Looking for my overly organized, very advanced third grade student whose needs are not being met, and cannot afford private nor to move to a better IB school. Thank you.

The vote is scheduled to happen during the DCPCSB meeting on 11/21. The meetings are open to the public and are also usually available via a webcast.