Hannah Graham - what's the latest?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope the victim in the 2005 fairfax case is willing to testify. She's the one victim who isn't dead and engaged with the police. She is very lucky to be alive.

On the contrary, there are two victims from his early days in college. I believe it was the victim at Liberty University that declined to press charges. The second victim at CNU, I believe prosecutors didn't have enough evidence to charge him. Sure makes me just a bit upset and bitter that his first victim declined to press charges, sure wonder what's going through her head right about now. I would imagine she's probably pretty racked with guilt.

stop judging. You don't know what you would have done as a student under the same circumstances.

[Anonymous]

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Maybe the police and search teams couldn't search the property because it is private property?

Bingo. You get shot for trespassing in places like rural Virginia.

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Backwoods.

Couldn't they have found out who owned the property and ask? Her neighbors must've known who she is and that she was just a few miles down the road.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Did you read the blog post? A neighbor did report a tip about this property to the police back on Oct 5th.

I guess I'm just surprised that no one in that area took it upon themselves to check that property themselves. I can't imagine being in that situation and not going over to investigate.

I suppose the important thing is that she has now been found.

The neighbor did look a little bit, but felt uncomfortable so he called the police instead. Given the location (close to where JM grew up), I'd put this one on the police for not investigating earlier. Not the neighbors.

there are 4 property owners near this location. Anyone of them could have walked the area. I just dont believe that you can have so much property that you cant walk it. These are not rich people here.

see - https://www.google.com/maps/@37.924082,-78.6157643,16z

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Don't bother. PPs egos are at stake here, apparently.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand how having Uber in Charlottesville would help anything. The perpetrator/murderer/rapist had a taxi driver's license! He could have been an uber driver (had it existed at the time and/or had HG used Uber).

The fact of the matter is that HG was in the wrong place in the wrong state of mind. JM got lucky that HG crossed his path. If HG had wanted a taxi, I'm sure she could have asked the bar tender or bouncer or anyone at a restaurant on the mall to call one for her. She must have trusted JM based on the way he acted and what he said to her. She didn't know he was a rapist/killer in disguise -- who would think that? He may have shown her his hospital ID card and told her "I'll take you home."

I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that 99% of women today have made a bad choice or two about accepting a ride.... it's just that luck was on our side and nothing catastrophic happened.

This whole situation is sickening b/c most of us are thinking "it could have been me" or "it could have been my daughter." It's horrifying to see someone so innocent and so full of talent and potential be slaughtered. It's like a human version of the predator nature shows... except it's not the circle of life. It's the circle of selfishness and hate.

I could have written this same post. I was an idiot in my 20s...got too drunk, hated to go home, would go to parties and bars by myself after my friends went home, too trusting of strangers, preferred to walk than take a cab, etc., etc. I even did all of this nonsense in Charlottesville for three years. I am very grateful that I never came across the wrong person in all of my ridiculous and (I now understand them to be) dangerous shenanigans. I really feel for her parents and regret the stress I must have put my own mom through back then. I have three little boys now and, up until this story struck so close to home, always thought I wanted a girl. Not anymore...I am at peace with my little boys and the (likely very naive) hope that this scenario, at least, is off the table for our family.

Boys get raped and murdered, too. I am not wishing this on anyone - I am stating this because no one can be too careful, like it or not. Plenty of people thought the campus was safe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't really understand how having Uber in Charlottesville would help anything. The perpetrator/murderer/rapist had a taxi driver's license! He could have been an uber driver (had it existed at the time and/or had HG used Uber).

The fact of the matter is that HG was in the wrong place in the wrong state of mind. JM got lucky that HG crossed his path. If HG had wanted a taxi, I'm sure she could have asked the bar tender or bouncer or anyone at a restaurant on the mall to call one for her. She must have trusted JM based on the way he acted and what he said to her. She didn't know he was a rapist/killer in disguise -- who would think that? He may have shown her his hospital ID card and told her "I'll take you home."

I don't think I'm going out on a limb to say that 99% of women today have made a bad choice or two about accepting a ride.... it's just that luck was on our side and nothing catastrophic happened.

This whole situation is sickening b/c most of us are thinking "it could have been me" or "it could have been my daughter." It's horrifying to see someone so innocent and so full of talent and potential be slaughtered. It's like a human version of the predator nature shows... except it's not the circle of life. It's the circle of selfishness and hate.

I could have written this same post. I was an idiot in my 20s...got too drunk, hated to go home, would go to parties and bars by myself after my friends went home, too trusting of strangers, preferred to walk than take a cab, etc., etc. I even did all of this nonsense in Charlottesville for three years. I am very grateful that I never came across the wrong person in all of my ridiculous and (I now understand them to be) dangerous shenanigans. I really feel for her parents and regret the stress I must have put my own mom through back then. I have three little boys now and, up until this story struck so close to home, always thought I wanted a girl. Not anymore...I am at peace with my little boys and the (likely very naive) hope that this scenario, at least, is off the table for our family.

Boys get raped and murdered, too. I am not wishing this on anyone - I am stating this because no one can be too careful, like it or not. Plenty of people thought the campus was safe.

I lived it up and sometimes (often) engaged in drunken shenanigans when I was in college. Accepting rides, going places with people I didn't know but they were all other college kids. I don't see myself (or one of my college friends) accepting a ride from an older townie like JM UNLESS I had seen him around before (maybe at the hospital or walking to/from the hospital) and I let my guard down because I was intoxicated...or unless he had fed me a line about being a cab driver and showed me one of his old IDs. I also think it's a little odd that a second year student was lost in downtown Charlottesville. I wonder if it's possible that Hannah KNEW that she was drunk when she got turned away from the one bar and then decided to take a little jog/walk in an attempt to sober herself up a little bit so that she could continue to stay out partying. Maybe she knew that her friends would give her a hard time if she was too toasted and that they would insist on escorting her home. I'm just trying to imagine how she ended up doing what she did that night. How she crossed paths with that monster and willingly got into his car....

But, yes, I can see how I could have EASILY wound up the same way that Hannah did. JM was a predator on the hunt and Hannah was just such an easy, innocent and unsuspecting target. You can see it in the surveillance videos. Hannah has really struck a nerve with so many of us. Such a beautiful, cherished life gone forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it behooves universities to try to encourage sober activities. Why does everything have to involve alcohol?

Like it or not, college kids are going to drink alcohol and, as a university, there are many other better approaches to this issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it behooves universities to try to encourage sober activities. Why does everything have to involve alcohol?

Like it or not, college kids are going to drink alcohol and, as a university, there are many other better approaches to this issue.

I think that always accepting the mainstream line of thinking when it comes to alcohol does a lot of harm. Why do we as a society need to accept and feel it is ok that college kids will binge drink? This needs to change. Binge drinking is destructive in so many ways.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it behooves universities to try to encourage sober activities. Why does everything have to involve alcohol?

Like it or not, college kids are going to drink alcohol and, as a university, there are many other better approaches to this issue.

I think that always accepting the mainstream line of thinking when it comes to alcohol does a lot of harm. Why do we as a society need to accept and feel it is ok that college kids will binge drink? This needs to change. Binge drinking is destructive in so many ways.

Remember - they are young adults, not kids. As adults, they get to decide these things for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The body was found in a streambed. It could have been buried and not visible to earlier searchers, then uncovered in recent rains.

The guy who called it in (this time) saw buzzards circling, and that's why he called.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The body was found in a streambed. It could have been buried and not visible to earlier searchers, then uncovered in recent rains.

This could explain why only her black pants were found near the remains and no other articles of clothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The body was found in a streambed. It could have been buried and not visible to earlier searchers, then uncovered in recent rains.

The guy who called it in (this time) saw buzzards circling, and that's why he called.

Buzzards were back on Oct 5th.

[Anonymous]

The guy who reported the buzzards indicated that the house had been up for sale and the fo sale sign had come down so he didn't feel comfortable trespassing on the property - he had no idea who owned it.

I googled the house address images and saw the old sale listing. Apparently there is a guest house on the property, too, and at the time of the listing (not sure how long ago that was) the guest cottage was rented out. I don't know if the tenant is still there or long gone, moved with the owner.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it behooves universities to try to encourage sober activities. Why does everything have to involve alcohol?

Like it or not, college kids are going to drink alcohol and, as a university, there are many other better approaches to this issue.

I think that always accepting the mainstream line of thinking when it comes to alcohol does a lot of harm. Why do we as a society need to accept and feel it is ok that college kids will binge drink? This needs to change. Binge drinking is destructive in so many ways.

Universities ought to hold frequent alcohol-free events to honor of those lost to alcohol and drug abuse. They could be fundraisers and the proceeds would fund educational outreach programs.

[Anonymous]

I just got chastised by Jeff for starting a thread about why it is taking so long to ID the body they found...never mind that it's a very specific question having to do more with forensics than the discussion here....

Anyone know why they can't tell us for sure if it is her or not? Seems like with dental records, they would know that by now.

[Anonymous]

I assumed they were giving the family time to grieve before an official statement is made.