MCPS Redisricting - offshoot from open enrollment/busing thread

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is way overcapacity and overcrowded. Its also falling apart.

So are most of the other HS around here. But the ESs in the Wootton are not. Don't know about Wootton's middle school, but I know Julius West is waaay over-capacity.

High schools that are NOT over capacity:

Blair
Blake
Damascus
Gaithersburg
Walter Johnson
Kennedy
Magruder
Richard Montgomery
Northwest
Northwood
Paint Branch
Rockville
Seneca Valley
Sherwood
Springbrook
Watkins Mill

Interesting that all of the W schools, which people seem to think get all these secret benefits and special treatment, are overcapacity. I'll bet the class sizes are well above average too.

Ah shoot. Need coffee. WJ is on the list.

Wheaton and Watkins Mill, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in a 24 child class at BFES. A fine class size, but how do you get a 3:1 ratio?? My friend's kid at Oakland Terrace (they are in a lovely home in Kensington) has 16 kids in her class. Oh, and they have other people, too. Their compacted math class has 10 people in it and a dedicated teacher- BFES definitely does not have that! Stop assuming everything is more magical in some of these schools! ALL schools follow the same rules.

Seriously. Wood Acres is in the Whitman cluster. Class size for my kids has run as high as 28-29. Right now the school is nearly 250 overcapacity with nearly 800 kids. 800! The school is so overcrowded, the kids start their lunch shifts at 10:45 and kids complain they have to hork their food down in 10 minutes to make way for the next shift. Man, the anti-W myths being spread are maddening.

Let's change that to Wootton and Churchill cluster... most of the ESs in those clusters are under capacity.

My kid is in 26-kid Kindergarten class at Bells Mill, churchill cluster. I heard the incoming K class will reach 28 the maximum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wootton is way overcapacity and overcrowded. Its also falling apart.

So are most of the other HS around here. But the ESs in the Wootton are not. Don't know about Wootton's middle school, but I know Julius West is waaay over-capacity.

High schools that are NOT over capacity:

Blair
Blake
Damascus
Gaithersburg
Walter Johnson
Kennedy
Magruder
Richard Montgomery
Northwest
Northwood
Paint Branch
Rockville
Seneca Valley
Sherwood
Springbrook
Watkins Mill

I didn't check all these HS, but for RM, they are at about capacity and projected to be over-capacity in 2 yrs. If you add up all the over capacity ESs in that cluster + the new RM ES #5, when these ES kids get to RM, it would be at over capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My daughter is in a 24 child class at BFES. A fine class size, but how do you get a 3:1 ratio?? My friend's kid at Oakland Terrace (they are in a lovely home in Kensington) has 16 kids in her class. Oh, and they have other people, too. Their compacted math class has 10 people in it and a dedicated teacher- BFES definitely does not have that! Stop assuming everything is more magical in some of these schools! ALL schools follow the same rules.

Seriously. Wood Acres is in the Whitman cluster. Class size for my kids has run as high as 28-29. Right now the school is nearly 250 overcapacity with nearly 800 kids. 800! The school is so overcrowded, the kids start their lunch shifts at 10:45 and kids complain they have to hork their food down in 10 minutes to make way for the next shift. Man, the anti-W myths being spread are maddening.

Let's change that to Wootton and Churchill cluster... most of the ESs in those clusters are under capacity.

My kid is in 26-kid Kindergarten class at Bells Mill, churchill cluster. I heard the incoming K class will reach 28 the maximum.

According to the capacity report, Bells Mills is just under capacity. If the school is at capacity, then each class would be at its max. If the school/class is over-capacity, legally, the school must add an extra class. So for an ES that is at overcapacity for the K class, they would have to add 1 more class which may reduce the size of each individual K class. But if this happens, at least one class would have to go into a portable which takes over the blacktop play area. Additionally, the common areas like the lunch room are still over crowded.

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/02607.pdf

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Oh no, poor Bells Mill may get one portable. Some of the RM cluster schools have many portables and have seen valuable blacktop area used for portables. It's a shame that anyone needs to be in a portable. Too bad Starr and his goons can't even out the schools a bit so that empty schools with 12 kids per class, like Wayside, BFES and CSES, take on more people.

[Anonymous]

Good thing a decent number of people in Montgomery County send their kids to private school. Overcrowding would be horrific if that option was not available. Just an observation.

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Anonymous wrote:Good thing a decent number of people in Montgomery County send their kids to private school. Overcrowding would be horrific if that option was not available. Just an observation.

I think that you're making a lot of assumptions that aren't valid. There are plenty of schools that aren't over capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good thing a decent number of people in Montgomery County send their kids to private school. Overcrowding would be horrific if that option was not available. Just an observation.

they'd be forced to address the over-crowding more.

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http://news.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/quicknotes/six-year-school-construction-plan-approved/

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Anonymous wrote:http://news.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/quicknotes/six-year-school-construction-plan-approved/

The approved CIP includes classroom additions at 12 elementary schools, including five in the Downcounty Consortium, which has experienced some of the most dramatic enrollment growth in the district. Classroom addition projects that were already approved as part of previous CIP’s and are scheduled to be completed before 2017 will remain on schedule. However, classroom addition projects originally slated for completion in 2017 and beyond will be delayed by one year.

The CIP will allow six revitalization/expansion projects—formerly called modernizations—to continue on schedule, but will delay 20 other projects. Revitalization/expansion projects will be delayed one year for secondary schools and two years for elementary schools.

The CIP includes three new schools that will open on schedule, including Wilson Wims Elementary in the Clarksburg cluster, which opens in August 2014. In addition, new middle schools will open as scheduled in the Clarksburg/Damascus clusters (August 2016) and the Bethesda-Chevy Chase cluster (August 2017). However, new elementary schools in the Richard Montgomery and Northwest clusters have been delayed by one year and are now scheduled to open in August 2018.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no, poor Bells Mill may get one portable. Some of the RM cluster schools have many portables and have seen valuable blacktop area used for portables. It's a shame that anyone needs to be in a portable. Too bad Starr and his goons can't even out the schools a bit so that empty schools with 12 kids per class, like Wayside, BFES and CSES, take on more people.

What are you smoking? Do you have kids at BFES? I do and I can assure you there aren't classes with only 12 kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good thing a decent number of people in Montgomery County send their kids to private school. Overcrowding would be horrific if that option was not available. Just an observation.

I think that you're making a lot of assumptions that aren't valid. There are plenty of schools that aren't over capacity.

True, but they certainly would be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:http://news.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/quicknotes/six-year-school-construction-plan-approved/

The approved CIP includes classroom additions at 12 elementary schools, including five in the Downcounty Consortium, which has experienced some of the most dramatic enrollment growth in the district. Classroom addition projects that were already approved as part of previous CIP’s and are scheduled to be completed before 2017 will remain on schedule. However, classroom addition projects originally slated for completion in 2017 and beyond will be delayed by one year.

The CIP will allow six revitalization/expansion projects—formerly called modernizations—to continue on schedule, but will delay 20 other projects. Revitalization/expansion projects will be delayed one year for secondary schools and two years for elementary schools.

The CIP includes three new schools that will open on schedule, including Wilson Wims Elementary in the Clarksburg cluster, which opens in August 2014. In addition, new middle schools will open as scheduled in the Clarksburg/Damascus clusters (August 2016) and the Bethesda-Chevy Chase cluster (August 2017). However, new elementary schools in the Richard Montgomery and Northwest clusters have been delayed by one year and are now scheduled to open in August 2018.

Great. Richard Montgomery cluster gets screwed again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://news.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/quicknotes/six-year-school-construction-plan-approved/

The approved CIP includes classroom additions at 12 elementary schools, including five in the Downcounty Consortium, which has experienced some of the most dramatic enrollment growth in the district. Classroom addition projects that were already approved as part of previous CIP’s and are scheduled to be completed before 2017 will remain on schedule. However, classroom addition projects originally slated for completion in 2017 and beyond will be delayed by one year.

The CIP will allow six revitalization/expansion projects—formerly called modernizations—to continue on schedule, but will delay 20 other projects. Revitalization/expansion projects will be delayed one year for secondary schools and two years for elementary schools.

The CIP includes three new schools that will open on schedule, including Wilson Wims Elementary in the Clarksburg cluster, which opens in August 2014. In addition, new middle schools will open as scheduled in the Clarksburg/Damascus clusters (August 2016) and the Bethesda-Chevy Chase cluster (August 2017). However, new elementary schools in the Richard Montgomery and Northwest clusters have been delayed by one year and are now scheduled to open in August 2018.

Great. Richard Montgomery cluster gets screwed again.

Richard Montgomery cluster gets a new elementary school one year later. As does the Northwest cluster. And 20 other projects also get delayed.

One year I went to the County Council hearings for the CIP. Every MCCPTA cluster representative who testified said, "Fund the projects in my cluster, and fund all of the other projects in the other clusters too." I like that approach a lot better than, "Fund the projects in my cluster; they're more important than those other projects in the other clusters."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:http://news.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/quicknotes/six-year-school-construction-plan-approved/

The approved CIP includes classroom additions at 12 elementary schools, including five in the Downcounty Consortium, which has experienced some of the most dramatic enrollment growth in the district. Classroom addition projects that were already approved as part of previous CIP’s and are scheduled to be completed before 2017 will remain on schedule. However, classroom addition projects originally slated for completion in 2017 and beyond will be delayed by one year.

The CIP will allow six revitalization/expansion projects—formerly called modernizations—to continue on schedule, but will delay 20 other projects. Revitalization/expansion projects will be delayed one year for secondary schools and two years for elementary schools.

The CIP includes three new schools that will open on schedule, including Wilson Wims Elementary in the Clarksburg cluster, which opens in August 2014. In addition, new middle schools will open as scheduled in the Clarksburg/Damascus clusters (August 2016) and the Bethesda-Chevy Chase cluster (August 2017). However, new elementary schools in the Richard Montgomery and Northwest clusters have been delayed by one year and are now scheduled to open in August 2018.

Great. Richard Montgomery cluster gets screwed again.

Richard Montgomery cluster gets a new elementary school one year later. As does the Northwest cluster. And 20 other projects also get delayed.

One year I went to the County Council hearings for the CIP. Every MCCPTA cluster representative who testified said, "Fund the projects in my cluster, and fund all of the other projects in the other clusters too." I like that approach a lot better than, "Fund the projects in my cluster; they're more important than those other projects in the other clusters."

Agree. There are MANY clusters that are overcrowded and deserve help. However, the 5th elementary school in the Richard Montgomery cluster has been delayed twice now. First, the Board of Education recommended that the new school be built by 2015. The council rejected that plan and put off construction until 2017. Now it's pushed back another year. That is why people are ticked.