Syracuse University issues financial warning as admissions slump: We’re in the red

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Anonymous wrote:Not all colleges are being impacted. Some like Tulane, Syracuse, UVM are being hurt. Colleges like Florida, Georgia, SMU, are getting more and more applications. The Boston colleges are doing great and all getting record application. NYU isn't having trouble.

The ones struggling have some pointed deficiency. Syracuse's location doesn't help it, just like Tulane's after Katrina. UVM and Syracuse both suffer from the same isolated hinterland stigma.

Fordham had an 11k applicant increase this year

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Anonymous wrote:Syracuse University's competition are the SUNY's, UConn, UMass, Rutgers, etc. Why anyone would choose to pay $95,000 a year to there over these other schools is a mystery? Maybe if wanted sports broadcasting or something similar for Newhouse?

Syracuse is ranked <<< compared to Rutgers though the college experience may be better because Rutgers campus sucks.

Sorry but Rutgers isn't remotely as good as Syracuse. Keep dreaming.

Rutgers ranked 42
Syracuse ranked 75

And UC Merced is tied with George Washington. We’re really going to give credit to these new goofy rankings?

UC Merced is ranked ahead of Syracuse. UC Merced is also cheaper for OOS and has better weather. If you can look past the 90% acceptance rate, 10% yield rate and average SAT below 1100, it would be a good fit for a student who is Syracuse-quality.

“If you look past everything except the rank and the in state tuition, it’s actually quite good”

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, tons of kids from nyc suburbs go to Syracuse, have the best 4 years, and are very successful afterward. It’s a very common scenario! And it’s not just Newhouse. The education is good, the experience is good, they don’t mind the weather. I’m trying to think of what a similar private school 3 hours from the dc area would be. But yeah it’s the price. Some of those families can easily pay but the ones who can’t have cheaper state school options.

There are very few schools who are positioned like Syracuse-- mid-sized enrollment, moderately selective, longstanding top tier programs (Newhouse, Falk, Maxwell), large deeply loyal alumni base, winning athletic tradition, national brand, and strong school spirit. What are the comparable schools? SMU? There are a host of schools that come close but are more selective-Villanova, USC, BC, and Miami. Syracuse has a strong niche. There is no death spiral here

Yes, it's expensive but for a student who wants smaller class sizes and a relatively more intimate environment it may be worth the money.

I wrote the post you’re responding to and I totally agree with you. I really like Syracuse. My daughter applied and would have been happy there. She would not have been happy at most state schools. It’s a good fit for lots of kids!

State schools suck. I guess they're ok if you're broke. But they have decaying infrastructure, overcrowded everything, insufficient housing, huge classes, difficulty registering for classes, classes taught by TAs, and worst of all, you're surrounded by plebs. Syracuse offers a much superior experience to those who can afford it.

Stare schools had the best infastructure of the schools we looked at.

The private schools except for Northwestern and Notre Dame were either falling apart, or in run down northeastern half abandoned towns, or both.

Heck, one of the state schools even had a lazy river and tiki juice bar through its pool complex.

You are clearly not visiting anywhere midwest or south if you think state schools are run down and private schools are in great shape.

Can you name the private universities you toured? Unless they’re low tier, I’ve never heard of a private institution “falling apart.”

Also it sounds like LSU you’re talking about- which was just a charge added to student fees for a lazy river. Most schools have a pool or multiple pools for students to access, so I guess it’s really cool if you
Really like lazy rivers

There are two state schools with lazy rivers?

The one I mentioned was in the midwest.

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Anonymous wrote:How bad is the weather in Syracuse?

Depends on how much you like lake effect type snow.

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Anonymous wrote:Weather is northern weather. School is great. Lots of excellent opportunities for the students. My son is a rising junior in Whitman who has excellent internships lined up for this year and next which are comparable to the best internships from an Ivy League School (IB with a bulge branch bank) He got them through his own merit. It’s all good!

Plus 100

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Anonymous wrote:How bad is the weather in Syracuse?

Depends on how much you like lake effect type snow.

Syracuse doesn’t actually get that much lake effect since it’s not directly east of Lake Ontario. About 30 miles north gets pounded. That’s said, it’s cold and still gets a ton of snow compared to here. The town has some very positive attributes, but I generally find it to be a sad place. But the campus is nice and there are many successful schools in sad towns.

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Anonymous wrote:America does not want to experience college walking between snow trenches. That’s their fundamental problem. If Syracuse was as far south of NYC as it is north, Syracuse would be fine.

This made me laugh, because I went to Syracuse and it was truly the best 4 years of my life... Snow and all.

Same here! I wouldn't trade those 4 years for anything.

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Eliminate the administrative bloat, slash need-based financial aid, and drop the sticker price to $65k. The solution is easy. But they won’t do it.

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Anonymous wrote:People keep blaming the “demographic cliff” for enrollment declines, but schools in the SEC and other popular schools have had enrollment increases.

The schools that are being hurt are the too expensive for what they’re worth, like Elon and Syracuse.

People talk "on average". The enrollment decline will eventually happen at these SEC schools as well. It's related to the actual number of college eligible people. That number is declining due to trending lower fertility rates. It's not fiction it's fact. Newsflash people have been have fewer kids.

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Relatively low-ranked, low selectivity, high-priced college in a terrible location is having enrollment issues.

Who could have predicted that?

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Anonymous wrote:People keep blaming the “demographic cliff” for enrollment declines, but schools in the SEC and other popular schools have had enrollment increases.

The schools that are being hurt are the too expensive for what they’re worth, like Elon and Syracuse.

People talk "on average". The enrollment decline will eventually happen at these SEC schools as well. It's related to the actual number of college eligible people. That number is declining due to trending lower fertility rates. It's not fiction it's fact. Newsflash people have been have fewer kids.

The Southern states have growing populations and economies and popularity. As real estate is all about location, location, location, so are colleges. Just as the population decline isn't likely to affect Harvard, population declines aren't uniform nationally. And in this day and age of mobility, people are also self-segregating to a greater degree than in the past.

What's not really being commented because people are afraid to mention it is that southern SEC schools have also become popular nationally for offering a pragmatic and relaxed college experience that shies away from ideologies. Many students who'd have happily gone to northern universities and LACs in the 1990s are now going to the SECs, especially the boys. I live in an affluent Maryland suburb and the change is notable. The sons and daughters of people who went to the NESCAC, people who consider themselves moderate to conservative, are increasingly going south over northern schools. One of my interns last year went to Alabama and he's from Connecticut and I asked what made him go south and he echoed the same thing I heard from others, low key (aka no politics) fun time. And he's a great guy.

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Anonymous wrote:People keep blaming the “demographic cliff” for enrollment declines, but schools in the SEC and other popular schools have had enrollment increases.

The schools that are being hurt are the too expensive for what they’re worth, like Elon and Syracuse.

People talk "on average". The enrollment decline will eventually happen at these SEC schools as well. It's related to the actual number of college eligible people. That number is declining due to trending lower fertility rates. It's not fiction it's fact. Newsflash people have been have fewer kids.

The Southern states have growing populations and economies and popularity. As real estate is all about location, location, location, so are colleges. Just as the population decline isn't likely to affect Harvard, population declines aren't uniform nationally. And in this day and age of mobility, people are also self-segregating to a greater degree than in the past.

What's not really being commented because people are afraid to mention it is that southern SEC schools have also become popular nationally for offering a pragmatic and relaxed college experience that shies away from ideologies. Many students who'd have happily gone to northern universities and LACs in the 1990s are now going to the SECs, especially the boys. I live in an affluent Maryland suburb and the change is notable. The sons and daughters of people who went to the NESCAC, people who consider themselves moderate to conservative, are increasingly going south over northern schools. One of my interns last year went to Alabama and he's from Connecticut and I asked what made him go south and he echoed the same thing I heard from others, low key (aka no politics) fun time. And he's a great guy.

Fiction, especially the NESCAC comment.

You’re constantly pumping the South but the numbers don’t back up the story. It’s a few thousand at best when you look at the actuals. Most of the movement to Southern schools is from other midwestern and southern schools. The SEC schools are known for football, it academics and that won’t change in our lifetime. Syracuse was a top 50 school for most of the past 50 years and would still be one except for the changes in the USNWR designed to boost public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:People keep blaming the “demographic cliff” for enrollment declines, but schools in the SEC and other popular schools have had enrollment increases.

The schools that are being hurt are the too expensive for what they’re worth, like Elon and Syracuse.

People talk "on average". The enrollment decline will eventually happen at these SEC schools as well. It's related to the actual number of college eligible people. That number is declining due to trending lower fertility rates. It's not fiction it's fact. Newsflash people have been have fewer kids.

No, you are wrong. What's happening is not a demographic cliff per se, but a geographic cliff. Many southern states are consistently crushing the national averages. People are not as tied to office locations, people are moving where they want to live and it shows up in the net domestic migration numbers. Believe me there is no decline in college, high school or elementary age kids in Florida, Georgia, South or North Carolina. They continue to build new schools - unheard of in the NE. NY, NJ, NE, PA, MD have no growth or negative growth and they are at the head of the geographic cliff.

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Anonymous wrote:Relatively low-ranked, low selectivity, high-priced college in a terrible location is having enrollment issues.

Who could have predicted that?

Syracuse was a top 50 school for most of the past 50 years and would still be one except for the changes in the USNWR designed to boost publis schools. The nonsensical stupidity of your comment says a lot about you….nothing good.

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A quick Google will tell you that Syracuse gets 128 inches of snow on average per year. Last year it got 143 inches. Plus it’s so gloomy that the rec center rents out sun lamps to students.

No thanks!