What the heck is going on in Belfast?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support them in Africa? Why have them come to one of the most expensive housing markets in the world?

Yeah we’re not doing that anymore because the agency responsible for that was investigating Elon so it had to go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support them in Africa? Why have them come to one of the most expensive housing markets in the world?

Yeah we’re not doing that anymore because the agency responsible for that was investigating Elon so it had to go.

Elon’s not in the UK, which is the subject of this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support them in Africa? Why have them come to one of the most expensive housing markets in the world?

Yes. It makes a lot of sense to support them in Africa. In reality that is where most Sudanese refugees are. There are 1.3 million in Chad alone, which itself is a poor country. The UN supports the refugees and it is much cheaper but I suppose there are limits to how many can be absorbed. If people are approved as refugees by the UN, they can apply for resettlement in other countries. That can take decades if it happens at all. If things settle down then most will return home.

In reality, most refugees end up in neighbouring countries. For example, there are 5 million refugees in the Middle East including 3 million in Turkey. I think many people don’t realise this.

And anyone who has seen how Afghan, Syrian, Sudanese etc. refugees live in Turkey, Lebanon, Libya or wherever would understand why many are eager to get out as quickly as they can if at all possible.

The overriding principle that guides the asylum / refugee system in the west is non-refoulement (ie, no repatriation). This came about because of notorious cases like the MS St Louis when the US and other countries refused to accept Jews fleeing Nazi Germany, resulting in many being returned to their deaths. However, many non-western countries (such as Turkey, Lebanon etc.) are not signatories to the respective UN convention, which limits western countries from returning refugees to third countries that they passed through on their journey.

The current system is something of an anachronism and really only exists because there has been no international consensus on what a better system may look like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support them in Africa? Why have them come to one of the most expensive housing markets in the world?

Yeah we’re not doing that anymore because the agency responsible for that was investigating Elon so it had to go.

Elon’s not in the UK, which is the subject of this discussion.

The point is that a lot of the work that USAID did functioned to reduce pressures for refugees to migrate to western countries. During the Syrian civil war, for instance, Jordan received huge amounts of international aid to take care of Syrian refugees who would otherwise have moved on to Europe or the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to support them in Africa? Why have them come to one of the most expensive housing markets in the world?

Yeah we’re not doing that anymore because the agency responsible for that was investigating Elon so it had to go.

Elon’s not in the UK, which is the subject of this discussion.

Why is Elon so concerned about the UK that he posts about this all day long?

[Anonymous]

All Indian owned corner store and businesses have been set on fire in #Belfast

Massive signs read outside the buildings "Indians go home"

https://www.indiablooms.com/world/indian-families-fear-for-safety-as-belfast-riots-turn-violent-store-set-on-fire/details

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

Ethnic restaurants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

Pensions. Europeans don’t reproduce as much so they need immigrants in order to collect enough taxes for their welfare states. The influx of migrants started in the late 1990s,2000s and 2010s in Europe as fertility rates declined

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From a PP’s comment about the UK importing workers from Sudan, it’s clear some people just don’t understand the difference between refugees and asylum seekers and immigrants.

A refugee is someone who has been forced to flee his or her home because of war, violence or persecution. An asylum seeker is someone who is seeking international protection from dangers in his or her home country, but whose claim for refugee status hasn’t been determined legally.

The UK isn’t out recruiting workers in Sudan. Most Sudanese are refugees or asylum seekers. They are not assessed on whether they speak English and have work qualifications.

Still no need for them

No refugees are taken to fill a need. They are taken for humanitarian reasons. It doesn’t mean they don’t contribute though. Sergey Brin, Madeleine Albright, and Gloria Estefan were refugees.

There’s nothing humanitarian about government. They are taken to fill a need: cheap labor

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All Indian owned corner store and businesses have been set on fire in #Belfast

Massive signs read outside the buildings "Indians go home"

https://www.indiablooms.com/world/indian-families-fear-for-safety-as-belfast-riots-turn-violent-store-set-on-fire/details

Awful. Those poor people. That was their entire lives in that business. Right wing nationalists at work, and people like Trump fuels the fire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

Pensions. Europeans don’t reproduce as much so they need immigrants in order to collect enough taxes for their welfare states. The influx of migrants started in the late 1990s,2000s and 2010s in Europe as fertility rates declined

+1 and lots of home health workers are immigrants.

Also, refugees and asylum seekers in the UK comprise < 1% of the total population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

Ethnic restaurants?

amen 😋

MAGA don't care about different ethnic restaurants. To them, fine dining is McD, lead by their cult leader. Low class trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does a country gain by letting in a bajillion "asylum" seekers?

Cheap desperate indentured servants

All elites want this

But not to live in McLean or Bethesda. They need to live and their kids go to school somewhere else