FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

The first revised scenario does move kids out of Oakton, just not all of Crossfield.

I’d check my facts more carefully next time before composing such a screed.

By the way, there’s no requirement for School Board members to recuse themselves from decisions affecting schools to which they are zoned. In the past, School Board members like Stu Gibson and Elaine Tholen were visibly involved in championing boundary changes that benefited their own schools (South Lakes and Langley). If you don’t like it, your recourse is to vote her out next year because the chances of an ethics inquiry are nil.

However, people seem to have no problem suggesting that Lee's Corner which is on Chantilly's doorstep to Westfield--which is not close in any way.

What I don't understand is why, if they can make Brookfield such an egregious split feeder (picking winners and losers) why can't they do the same with Bull Run? There are people at Bull Run who live in neighborhoods that border Westfield schools. That would make sense. And, yes, I know they picked one small area of Bull Run to add to Westfield--an area that is one of the closer ones to Centreville.

Its obviously because Seema Dixit intervened to preserve her own property values.

“Obviously”. More like conspiracy theory.

Can you think of an explanation for the consultants to change their minds on moving all of Bull Run and instead, move just one random low income building instead?

This question was asked and answered last night at the meeting. You either weren’t there or missed that part. They said the online map went live before the consultant and FCPS had finished the final scenarios.

You can accept it at face value, or keep twisting in the wind with your conspiracy theories. Your choice.

So they did all their slides with "unfinal scenarios" as well, and forgot to update them? That seems......completely believable.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Scenario 1 send the western edge of Crossfield to Skyview. I don’t consider the western edge to be “neighbors” with the eastern edge. They’re miles apart.

Crossfield has been a split (Oakton and South lakes) for years. If you’re going to claim all splits are bad, then you have to send them all to one of those 3 (Oakton, Skyview, or South lakes). Oakton can’t absorb more kids and keeping Crossfield there will result in another change during the next boundary review cycle; so much for the coveted stability people keep talking about. So which is it? Skyview or South lakes? Or back off on the claim that splits are inherently bad and live with it?

I actually think it would make sense for FCPS to send all of Crossfield to a single HS, but that is not how any of the scenarios have been drawn to date, so I'm assuming that idea is off the table.

I don't understand your thinking about classmates not being "neighbors." So your ES kids don't have friends who live in other neighborhoods that are a few miles away?

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

The first revised scenario does move kids out of Oakton, just not all of Crossfield.

I’d check my facts more carefully next time before composing such a screed.

By the way, there’s no requirement for School Board members to recuse themselves from decisions affecting schools to which they are zoned. In the past, School Board members like Stu Gibson and Elaine Tholen were visibly involved in championing boundary changes that benefited their own schools (South Lakes and Langley). If you don’t like it, your recourse is to vote her out next year because the chances of an ethics inquiry are nil.

However, people seem to have no problem suggesting that Lee's Corner which is on Chantilly's doorstep to Westfield--which is not close in any way.

What I don't understand is why, if they can make Brookfield such an egregious split feeder (picking winners and losers) why can't they do the same with Bull Run? There are people at Bull Run who live in neighborhoods that border Westfield schools. That would make sense. And, yes, I know they picked one small area of Bull Run to add to Westfield--an area that is one of the closer ones to Centreville.

Its obviously because Seema Dixit intervened to preserve her own property values.

“Obviously”. More like conspiracy theory.

Can you think of an explanation for the consultants to change their minds on moving all of Bull Run and instead, move just one random low income building instead?

This question was asked and answered last night at the meeting. You either weren’t there or missed that part. They said the online map went live before the consultant and FCPS had finished the final scenarios.

You can accept it at face value, or keep twisting in the wind with your conspiracy theories. Your choice.

Bull Run areas weren't edited in real time.
It was the Walney Oaks neighborhood that was shown as going to Stone/Westfield in the maps, the address bar search (not edited for a long time) and the slide presentations.

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I didn't go to the meeting.

Did they address the issue of Westfield not having enough students?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Scenario 1 send the western edge of Crossfield to Skyview. I don’t consider the western edge to be “neighbors” with the eastern edge. They’re miles apart.

Crossfield has been a split (Oakton and South lakes) for years. If you’re going to claim all splits are bad, then you have to send them all to one of those 3 (Oakton, Skyview, or South lakes). Oakton can’t absorb more kids and keeping Crossfield there will result in another change during the next boundary review cycle; so much for the coveted stability people keep talking about. So which is it? Skyview or South lakes? Or back off on the claim that splits are inherently bad and live with it?

Exactly, this could be solved if more of Crossfield is open to going to a local highschool like Skyview or Southlakes, Scenario 1 would work if they move more of crossfield to Skyview, and there is capacity to do so. Otherwise we will just be revisiting again in a few years when Oakton continues to be overcrowded.

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone please explain why so many in crossfield are so laser focused on staying Oakton? I would MUCH prefer my teen having a close option like Skyview rather than the outrageously long commute to Oakton.

They paid oakton price to buy the house in oakton hs. They did not mind the commute to oakton when they bought the house and still do not mind that. For the people who were willing to pay the extra to buy in oakton hs, going to a better school out weighs 10+ minutes of extra commute time. As simple as that.

I actually do not understand why people who hates commute to oakton so much would buy in crossfield in the first place.

This right here is the answer. We bought houses in the Oakton district and absolutely knew the distance from our neighborhoods to the high school.

While I strongly prefer Oakton HS, my biggest concern is that scenario 1 is absolutely bananas in the way the board is proposing to split just a few Crossfield neighborhoods and send that handful of kids to Carson/Skyview. So my kids will have spent 7+ years with their peers at Crossfield, most of their class would move onto Franklin/Oakton, and then they would start MS knowing maybe 5 kids at a school of 1,400 (Carson). The math isn't mathing, and there is a plethora of research that shows what a terrible idea this is from a mental health standpoint.

There's nothing compelling about this. Everyone knows where their zoned high school is when they purchase a house and they also know that can be changed at any time. It makes NO sense to send Herndon kids all the way to Vienna to Oakton when there are going to be 800 empty seats at Westfield and 400 empty seats at South Lakes.

I find students' mental health pretty compelling, but to each their own.

Rezoning your house from Oakton to a close by high school has nothing to do with your HS kids mental health, since they will be grandfathered into Oakton.
More sleep will be great for future kids' mental health though.

Many of us don't have high schoolers who will be grandfathered anywhere, which is why we're concerned. My kids are in elementary and middle school.

Then they will go to whatever middle and high school they go to with the rest of your neighbors.

No they won't, that's the point. Scenario 1 breaks up Crossfield neighborhoods. Four districts will have buses going down the same street. Crossfield shouldn't be a 3/4-way split feeder (Carson, Franklin, Hughes) (Skyview, Oakton, South Lakes, Chantilly). Not to mention, a lot of these kids that are 6th graders now, will have to go to Carson for 1 year and then switch to another new school (Franklin) with a whole other group of new kids. They won't have the 2 years in MS to make friends going into HS.

Scenario 1 send the western edge of Crossfield to Skyview. I don’t consider the western edge to be “neighbors” with the eastern edge. They’re miles apart.

Crossfield has been a split (Oakton and South lakes) for years. If you’re going to claim all splits are bad, then you have to send them all to one of those 3 (Oakton, Skyview, or South lakes). Oakton can’t absorb more kids and keeping Crossfield there will result in another change during the next boundary review cycle; so much for the coveted stability people keep talking about. So which is it? Skyview or South lakes? Or back off on the claim that splits are inherently bad and live with it?

I actually think it would make sense for FCPS to send all of Crossfield to a single HS, but that is not how any of the scenarios have been drawn to date, so I'm assuming that idea is off the table.

I don't understand your thinking about classmates not being "neighbors." So your ES kids don't have friends who live in other neighborhoods that are a few miles away?

Friends and neighbors are not the same thing.
A Westfield kid who lives in London Towne has a friend who lives in Herndon. They aren't neighbors by any stretch, they are friends who attend school together.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Scenario 1 gets Oakton down to 98% capacity. That’s the scenario that makes Crossfield even more of a split feeder than it is now.

They said they’d leave ES alone for now but it sounds like they ought to revisit this and perhaps move the small part of Crossfield they’d move to Skyview in Scenario 1 to Floris or McNair.

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

Agreed! i thought this would finally ensue my kids could go to a local school with kids that live nearby versus being stuck in traffic for 45 minutes

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Anonymous wrote:Its absolutely insane that they did not move those Herndon kids over to a closer school and left them at Oakton in both scenarios.

Literally one of the reasons they bought the school was to reduce overcrowding at *OAKTON* and to keep those kids from having to go such a long way to school.

Now both scenarios have no one moving out of Oakton, but leaving South Lakes and Westfield without enough students.

It makes no sense.

A school in the perfect location falls into their lap and they still manage to make a complete disaster out of it.

And the self-dealing by Seema Dixit and apparently, Kyle McDaniel, needs to be reviewed by an FCPS ethics office.

The first revised scenario does move kids out of Oakton, just not all of Crossfield.

I’d check my facts more carefully next time before composing such a screed.

By the way, there’s no requirement for School Board members to recuse themselves from decisions affecting schools to which they are zoned. In the past, School Board members like Stu Gibson and Elaine Tholen were visibly involved in championing boundary changes that benefited their own schools (South Lakes and Langley). If you don’t like it, your recourse is to vote her out next year because the chances of an ethics inquiry are nil.

However, people seem to have no problem suggesting that Lee's Corner which is on Chantilly's doorstep to Westfield--which is not close in any way.

What I don't understand is why, if they can make Brookfield such an egregious split feeder (picking winners and losers) why can't they do the same with Bull Run? There are people at Bull Run who live in neighborhoods that border Westfield schools. That would make sense. And, yes, I know they picked one small area of Bull Run to add to Westfield--an area that is one of the closer ones to Centreville.

Its obviously because Seema Dixit intervened to preserve her own property values.

“Obviously”. More like conspiracy theory.

Can you think of an explanation for the consultants to change their minds on moving all of Bull Run and instead, move just one random low income building instead?

This question was asked and answered last night at the meeting. You either weren’t there or missed that part. They said the online map went live before the consultant and FCPS had finished the final scenarios.

You can accept it at face value, or keep twisting in the wind with your conspiracy theories. Your choice.

I don't think it takes a crazy conspiracy theorist to see this explanation is absurd.
The consultant put the maps online "before they were finished"? No freaking way would that happen. We are supposed to believe they were still working on the substance of who was moved where 5 minutes before maps were to be posted?

The consultants final scenarios designated Walney Oaks as an area that made sense to move to Westfield. Instead of leaving it for the community to discuss, someone at FCPS demanded the map be edited.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Scenario 1 gets Oakton down to 98% capacity. That’s the scenario that makes Crossfield even more of a split feeder than it is now.

They said they’d leave ES alone for now but it sounds like they ought to revisit this and perhaps move the small part of Crossfield they’d move to Skyview in Scenario 1 to Floris or McNair.

McNair?? Look at the map.

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I'm just honestly curious- why is there a random section that goes to Navy that is not connected to the rest of Navy?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone find this odd that even though they adjusted the boundaries slightly between 1 and 2, the numbers worked out exactly the same? Were they given instructions not to go over 103%?

Oakton
Existing Conditions-103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 1: 103% capacity, 2642 kids
Scenario 2: 103% capacity, 2642 kids

Scenario 1 gets Oakton down to 98% capacity. That’s the scenario that makes Crossfield even more of a split feeder than it is now.

They said they’d leave ES alone for now but it sounds like they ought to revisit this and perhaps move the small part of Crossfield they’d move to Skyview in Scenario 1 to Floris or McNair.

McNair?? Look at the map.

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And there's a ton of new development happening west of the parkway near those ES districts.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't go to the meeting.

Did they address the issue of Westfield not having enough students?

They did. They mentioned planned development in the area and also that they would look to move academy programs to Westfield.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just honestly curious- why is there a random section that goes to Navy that is not connected to the rest of Navy?

Years ago there was a legal battle when that section of Franklin Farm was potentially being rezoned to Crossfield. The homeowners in that area fought to stay at Navy.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm just honestly curious- why is there a random section that goes to Navy that is not connected to the rest of Navy?

I assume a school board member lived there whenever that was drawn up.