Why can't universities have a flat tuition where everyone pays the same?

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Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Obviously they don’t. You need to just stop whining and move on with your life.

Start an advocacy group or do something in real life if you really care about it.

Complaining on DCUM won’t get you anywhere.

Yep doing that by voting Trump in.

You're just an idiot

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

An idiot spotted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

An idiot spotted

Answer the question.

[Anonymous]

Sure, make the flat tuition $100,000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

An idiot spotted

Aw, someone struggling with the fact that their version of events is completely false. How sad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

An idiot spotted

Answer the question.

If you’re not an idiot, which you are, you would understand the transparency referred was not about the cost of attendance but regarding the cost attribution of different initiatives in those colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College tuition has no transparency.

There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford.
But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys.

But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast)

But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer.

This is maddening and stressful.

And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day.

When are people going to understand that Private Schools are a luxury good. Nobody is entitled to access.

They receive federal funding so have the obligation to be transparent.

Are the not? Do you not have the same access to a net price calculator and an admissions officer as I do?

An idiot spotted

Answer the question.

If you’re not an idiot, which you are, you would understand the transparency referred was not about the cost of attendance but regarding the cost attribution of different initiatives in those colleges.

Then what does this have to do with tuition? They are responsible for telling you how much you have to pay-not how much goes towards their water bill. If you are interested in state universities, they tell you the type of information you want, but no, just because the public funds something, doesn't mean we get access to every operational need. I hope you don't run a non profit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sure, make the flat tuition $100,000.

+1, I don't know why people assume a flat tuition would include them.

[Anonymous]

So tired of UMC belly-aching over tuition.

If my family with an HHI of under 150k (and somewhere around 90k for the first 7 years of my kid's life) can manage to save 200k for college, and we fully expect to spend every penny of that money+ for college expenses, then those of you making 300k+ should have been able to save at least double that amount.

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because college shouldn't be limited to the wealthy???

Jesus, op.

So much this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are wealthy your kids should not be taking loans. You should have saved for them. This is 100% on you if your kids have loans.

Poor families cannot save enough so they get a break on the parent contribution part.

I grew up poor and had a full merit scholarship. but started college savings for my kids when pregnant. Make better life choices and your kids won’t be burdened. The burden in YOUR choice.

The parents already pay a lot more taxes for the society.

They shouldn't be liable for adult kid's higher education.

Something is working with the system in this country.

What does a parent paying more for taxes have to do with private colleges?

Seems like you really want the US to become like the rest of the world and effectively nationalize private colleges.

All the top international universities are public. However, even schools like Toronto or Cambridge or Oxford provide FA…it’s just that rack rate is much lower for citizens.

Where have you been??
Private colleges became crybabies when Trump took away funding from them.
The private colleges are utilizing my tax money.

I don't care what other countries do.
In this country, if you are rich, you are careless and if you are poor, they get free pass.
Hardworking taxpaying middle class is severely getting punished and fukced.

So…sounds like you want to nationalize top private universities. That’s what you keep saying.

Argue for all their federal funding to be revoked…which mainly impacts graduate research BTW. Notice how these schools haven’t touched undergraduate but are scaling back graduate programs.

It’s still confusing what you are crying about. Plenty of good public universities and private colleges that will give you merit aid.

So what are you crying about?

Why do you think the US has so many top universities and third world countries don't have any? What would happen if government funding of higher education went away?

If you want to live in a third world country, by all means please do so. I think most Americans like living in a first world country, they just don't want to pay for it (not the the baked in costs, not the invisible costs, and not the operating costs).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are wealthy your kids should not be taking loans. You should have saved for them. This is 100% on you if your kids have loans.

Poor families cannot save enough so they get a break on the parent contribution part.

I grew up poor and had a full merit scholarship. but started college savings for my kids when pregnant. Make better life choices and your kids won’t be burdened. The burden in YOUR choice.

The parents already pay a lot more taxes for the society.

They shouldn't be liable for adult kid's higher education.

Something is working with the system in this country.

What does a parent paying more for taxes have to do with private colleges?

Seems like you really want the US to become like the rest of the world and effectively nationalize private colleges.

All the top international universities are public. However, even schools like Toronto or Cambridge or Oxford provide FA…it’s just that rack rate is much lower for citizens.

Where have you been??
Private colleges became crybabies when Trump took away funding from them.
The private colleges are utilizing my tax money.

I don't care what other countries do.
In this country, if you are rich, you are careless and if you are poor, they get free pass.
Hardworking taxpaying middle class is severely getting punished and fukced.

So…sounds like you want to nationalize top private universities. That’s what you keep saying.

Argue for all their federal funding to be revoked…which mainly impacts graduate research BTW. Notice how these schools haven’t touched undergraduate but are scaling back graduate programs.

It’s still confusing what you are crying about. Plenty of good public universities and private colleges that will give you merit aid.

So what are you crying about?

Why do you think the US has so many top universities and third world countries don't have any? What would happen if government funding of higher education went away?

If you want to live in a third world country, by all means please do so. I think most Americans like living in a first world country, they just don't want to pay for it (not the the baked in costs, not the invisible costs, and not the operating costs).

What’s your definition of top universities and third world countries? Is UK a third world country? Is Oxford or Cambridge a top university? Their tuitions are less than half of the us institutions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are wealthy your kids should not be taking loans. You should have saved for them. This is 100% on you if your kids have loans.

Poor families cannot save enough so they get a break on the parent contribution part.

I grew up poor and had a full merit scholarship. but started college savings for my kids when pregnant. Make better life choices and your kids won’t be burdened. The burden in YOUR choice.

The parents already pay a lot more taxes for the society.

They shouldn't be liable for adult kid's higher education.

Something is working with the system in this country.

What does a parent paying more for taxes have to do with private colleges?

Seems like you really want the US to become like the rest of the world and effectively nationalize private colleges.

All the top international universities are public. However, even schools like Toronto or Cambridge or Oxford provide FA…it’s just that rack rate is much lower for citizens.

Where have you been??
Private colleges became crybabies when Trump took away funding from them.
The private colleges are utilizing my tax money.

I don't care what other countries do.
In this country, if you are rich, you are careless and if you are poor, they get free pass.
Hardworking taxpaying middle class is severely getting punished and fukced.

So…sounds like you want to nationalize top private universities. That’s what you keep saying.

Argue for all their federal funding to be revoked…which mainly impacts graduate research BTW. Notice how these schools haven’t touched undergraduate but are scaling back graduate programs.

It’s still confusing what you are crying about. Plenty of good public universities and private colleges that will give you merit aid.

So what are you crying about?

Why do you think the US has so many top universities and third world countries don't have any? What would happen if government funding of higher education went away?

If you want to live in a third world country, by all means please do so. I think most Americans like living in a first world country, they just don't want to pay for it (not the the baked in costs, not the invisible costs, and not the operating costs).

What’s your definition of top universities and third world countries? Is UK a third world country? Is Oxford or Cambridge a top university? Their tuitions are less than half of the us institutions?

Americans make almost twice that of British people, so this seems apt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are wealthy your kids should not be taking loans. You should have saved for them. This is 100% on you if your kids have loans.

Poor families cannot save enough so they get a break on the parent contribution part.

I grew up poor and had a full merit scholarship. but started college savings for my kids when pregnant. Make better life choices and your kids won’t be burdened. The burden in YOUR choice.

The parents already pay a lot more taxes for the society.

They shouldn't be liable for adult kid's higher education.

Something is working with the system in this country.

What does a parent paying more for taxes have to do with private colleges?

Seems like you really want the US to become like the rest of the world and effectively nationalize private colleges.

All the top international universities are public. However, even schools like Toronto or Cambridge or Oxford provide FA…it’s just that rack rate is much lower for citizens.

Where have you been??
Private colleges became crybabies when Trump took away funding from them.
The private colleges are utilizing my tax money.

I don't care what other countries do.
In this country, if you are rich, you are careless and if you are poor, they get free pass.
Hardworking taxpaying middle class is severely getting punished and fukced.

So…sounds like you want to nationalize top private universities. That’s what you keep saying.

Argue for all their federal funding to be revoked…which mainly impacts graduate research BTW. Notice how these schools haven’t touched undergraduate but are scaling back graduate programs.

It’s still confusing what you are crying about. Plenty of good public universities and private colleges that will give you merit aid.

So what are you crying about?

Why do you think the US has so many top universities and third world countries don't have any? What would happen if government funding of higher education went away?

If you want to live in a third world country, by all means please do so. I think most Americans like living in a first world country, they just don't want to pay for it (not the the baked in costs, not the invisible costs, and not the operating costs).

What’s your definition of top universities and third world countries? Is UK a third world country? Is Oxford or Cambridge a top university? Their tuitions are less than half of the us institutions?

I'm talking about third world countries -- they don't have any universities and many don't have public high schools or even public primary schools outside of cities. The only students that can get a higher education from those counties are the ones that leave to go to the US or Europe. (Or now, China.)

If we want things like specialty and acute health care, weather forecasting, functioning banking and judicial systems, competent civil and city planning, modern food and agricultural management--again, things that don't exist in third world counties--we need to pay for a comprehensive educational system which includes subsidizing higher education.