Is responsibility for your own bag too much to ask?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

BS. We all know who you are. You are the people we change lines to avoid being behind at TSA.

No I’m not. But it doesn’t matter because my point is that that family you’re talking about also has a right to travel and when I see people who need a hand I lend one I don’t sit there scowling at them like a modern day Ebeneezer Scrooge

Whoop there it is. Your “right to travel” which a) doesn’t exist and b) doesn’t mean other people have to assist you. But that really just shows what an entitled a$$hole you are. You think it’s your right to demand others care for you like a child. No. You’re an adult and you’re responsible for yourself. The accommodation for this “right” is checking your damn bag.

How on earth are grown adults arguing that they have a “right” to be treated like a f**king child.

DP. And you have no right to travel without being vaguely inconvenienced by other people, yet here you are raging about it.

I would say the rager is the author of the 7 bullet point monologue in multiple paragraphs about how it’s just all so hard and nobody else has ever traveled with kids.

My monologue was far less about how hard it is to travel (with or without kids) than it was about how people like you are ruining society by abandoning the social contract. The travel stuff was only because you claimed it would make sense for a parent to count on being able to buy bottles and spare outfits in the airport.

Please quote where it was said to buy bottles in the airport. When you can’t find it are you big enough to admit you were wrong?

I’ll admit I got that detail wrong by slightly misreading (embedding quote below)

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

I don’t think it changes the substance of my feedback/criticism

So you overreacted to the idea that pointed out some things can be purchased on the other side of security if needed and didn’t justify bringing an excessive amount of things in a carryon that was beyond the capabilities of the traveler? Also what if you need all of this excess at a time when turbulence is happening and you can’t get it? An under-seat bag of essentials makes more sense.

I don’t think I overreacted, that is your judgement. And I have responded far more calmly than you have.

Many posters have pointed out the importance of having a comprehensive bag if traveling with children (I was once stranded in nyc overnight without my luggage after missing a connection with two children under three and it was crucially important to have the basics). An airport is a terrible place to shop where everything is significantly more expensive and generally crappy quality, it’s an absurd suggestion. And would mean people were just walking with shopping bags instead of an organized suitcase.

You clearly don’t understand the complexities of traveling with kids if you cannot understand this. Or you are so wealthy as to not understand most Americans at all.

And generally this is not beyond the abilities of the traveler, just sometimes beyond the ability of one adult to manage at optimal efficiency. So others offer to help or they wait until the parents disabled person manages it.

In what way have I not been calm? You don’t know you’re talking to at any one time. I have more children than you so this is all very amusing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Air ports don’t sell specific bottles and formula, nebulizer, medications and all that. Yes you need it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno. I mean as a 5'1" person I can technically lift my fully packed hard case carry-on into the overhead but it is sometimes a struggle. Thankfully there is always a guy around who likes to feel useful.

This. I'm a small petite woman. I can lift my own bag. I've never had trouble with a man not offering to help me. I find it nice. I can imagine if you're older it would be difficult. I'm sure a flight attendant would help you if asked nicely.

My parents are older and no longer bring large bags on board. They have adjusted their travel realities to their current situation.

DP. I'm not old. I'm just petite. I have been my entire adult life. I'm also a c-suite executive who travels frequently. With how long it takes to get bags these days and how often airlines lose luggage, I could not do my job as expected if I had to check it. Many newer airplane configurations are such that I can't even reach the latch of the overhead bin. It has nothing to do with whether my bag is too big or heavy.

Luckily, most people are reasonable. I've never had an issue with someone, even an FA, offering to open the latch if I can't reach it. And 95% of the time someone will help me lift my bag (since even if you can lift it, it's harder to lift something over your head while standing on tippy toes) or offer put it up themselves.

If you think people like me should find different careers because of the way airplanes are configured these days, I guess that's your opinion. But I think it's a pretty stupid one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

BS. We all know who you are. You are the people we change lines to avoid being behind at TSA.

No I’m not. But it doesn’t matter because my point is that that family you’re talking about also has a right to travel and when I see people who need a hand I lend one I don’t sit there scowling at them like a modern day Ebeneezer Scrooge

Whoop there it is. Your “right to travel” which a) doesn’t exist and b) doesn’t mean other people have to assist you. But that really just shows what an entitled a$$hole you are. You think it’s your right to demand others care for you like a child. No. You’re an adult and you’re responsible for yourself. The accommodation for this “right” is checking your damn bag.

How on earth are grown adults arguing that they have a “right” to be treated like a f**king child.

DP. And you have no right to travel without being vaguely inconvenienced by other people, yet here you are raging about it.

I would say the rager is the author of the 7 bullet point monologue in multiple paragraphs about how it’s just all so hard and nobody else has ever traveled with kids.

My monologue was far less about how hard it is to travel (with or without kids) than it was about how people like you are ruining society by abandoning the social contract. The travel stuff was only because you claimed it would make sense for a parent to count on being able to buy bottles and spare outfits in the airport.

Please quote where it was said to buy bottles in the airport. When you can’t find it are you big enough to admit you were wrong?

I’ll admit I got that detail wrong by slightly misreading (embedding quote below)

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

I don’t think it changes the substance of my feedback/criticism

So you overreacted to the idea that pointed out some things can be purchased on the other side of security if needed and didn’t justify bringing an excessive amount of things in a carryon that was beyond the capabilities of the traveler? Also what if you need all of this excess at a time when turbulence is happening and you can’t get it? An under-seat bag of essentials makes more sense.

I don’t think I overreacted, that is your judgement. And I have responded far more calmly than you have.

Many posters have pointed out the importance of having a comprehensive bag if traveling with children (I was once stranded in nyc overnight without my luggage after missing a connection with two children under three and it was crucially important to have the basics). An airport is a terrible place to shop where everything is significantly more expensive and generally crappy quality, it’s an absurd suggestion. And would mean people were just walking with shopping bags instead of an organized suitcase.

You clearly don’t understand the complexities of traveling with kids if you cannot understand this. Or you are so wealthy as to not understand most Americans at all.

And generally this is not beyond the abilities of the traveler, just sometimes beyond the ability of one adult to manage at optimal efficiency. So others offer to help or they wait until the parents disabled person manages it.

In what way have I not been calm? You don’t know you’re talking to at any one time. I have more children than you so this is all very amusing.

How many children do I have? You know only how many I had during that layover.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dunno. I mean as a 5'1" person I can technically lift my fully packed hard case carry-on into the overhead but it is sometimes a struggle. Thankfully there is always a guy around who likes to feel useful.

This. I'm a small petite woman. I can lift my own bag. I've never had trouble with a man not offering to help me. I find it nice. I can imagine if you're older it would be difficult. I'm sure a flight attendant would help you if asked nicely.

No, they don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We live in a SOCIETY.

WTF is wrong with some of you people.

Okay, but why aren't the people who are unable to deal with overhead bags but carry them on anyway held to a different standard then everyone else? It's not like they are required to carry on. There is a whole system in place to aid people who can't handle carry ons, but so many choose to just use their own system, putting the responsibility on everyone else. Look, if there was are requirement to roll on a giant bag that barely meets the standards and these poor people were forced to do it, helping of course would be most people's response. But none of this what happening. Selfish people who feel they don't have to follow the rules hold up thousands and thousands of passengers a day. It has to stop.

woah Nelly. Who said the person was not following the rules? Their bags fit in the overhead, and it's not that heavy, but short people have a harder time lifting a bag up that high.

You are being a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

I have 3 kids and have successfully traveled with them. You must have some planning and executive function deficiencies to go along with your bad attitude and sense of entitlement if this is so hard. If you haven’t learned this by now, and do you really have kids if you haven’t, you have to move a little slower, check bags if needed, and take your time. Packing your entire life into carry on bags, lugging car seats strollers, baby carriers and trying to wrangle a toddler is stupid. Nobody said traveling with kids was easy and sacrifices are made. Maybe drive to your destination instead of throwing yourself to the mercy of unsuspecting other travelers expecting them to ease your burden.

How fortunate for you that your flight with little kids have never been delayed for hours. That's never happened to me, but I did learn a hard lesson about airlines losing my luggage with all my baby's stuff in there. They had lost it for a week. From then on, I always packed at least 2 days worth of stuff in the carryon.

Have you never read news stories of people being stuck in the airplane for hours on the runway, and the airline wouldn't let them disembark? I always shudder to think what that would be like with a toddler and baby.

You're an a$$ to not expect people to travel to see family, who may be on another continent, or across the country, just because you think no one should have to help the moms. Trying to deal with a baby and toddler is hard no matter where you are. It doesn't hurt you to be kind. But, I guess that's beyond your morals.

No one was even saying you must help, only that being kind costs you nothing to help.

I had a baby vomit all over me on a flight. I had an extra change of clothes for all of us and a plastic bag. We still didn’t have so many bags we couldn’t manage. Are you generally helpless? Are you bringing a giant tub of formula or something? What gives?

What would happen if after changing your clothes after the baby vomited on you, the baby then pooped on you and themself? You'd have to sit there and suffer the poop smell on yourself, and make everyone around you also suffer the odor.

I'm much better prepared. I always traveled with two sets of extra clothing. And many extra diapers and formula just in case we were delayed or stuck on the tarmac for several hours. My worst nightmare.

My kids are now 17 and 20, pretty tall, and even they help people with their bags if they are asked. I raised them to be polite and kind to people, unlike many on this forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

I have 3 kids and have successfully traveled with them. You must have some planning and executive function deficiencies to go along with your bad attitude and sense of entitlement if this is so hard. If you haven’t learned this by now, and do you really have kids if you haven’t, you have to move a little slower, check bags if needed, and take your time. Packing your entire life into carry on bags, lugging car seats strollers, baby carriers and trying to wrangle a toddler is stupid. Nobody said traveling with kids was easy and sacrifices are made. Maybe drive to your destination instead of throwing yourself to the mercy of unsuspecting other travelers expecting them to ease your burden.

How fortunate for you that your flight with little kids have never been delayed for hours. That's never happened to me, but I did learn a hard lesson about airlines losing my luggage with all my baby's stuff in there. They had lost it for a week. From then on, I always packed at least 2 days worth of stuff in the carryon.

Have you never read news stories of people being stuck in the airplane for hours on the runway, and the airline wouldn't let them disembark? I always shudder to think what that would be like with a toddler and baby.

You're an a$$ to not expect people to travel to see family, who may be on another continent, or across the country, just because you think no one should have to help the moms. Trying to deal with a baby and toddler is hard no matter where you are. It doesn't hurt you to be kind. But, I guess that's beyond your morals.

No one was even saying you must help, only that being kind costs you nothing to help.

I had a baby vomit all over me on a flight. I had an extra change of clothes for all of us and a plastic bag. We still didn’t have so many bags we couldn’t manage. Are you generally helpless? Are you bringing a giant tub of formula or something? What gives?

What would happen if after changing your clothes after the baby vomited on you, the baby then pooped on you and themself? You'd have to sit there and suffer the poop smell on yourself, and make everyone around you also suffer the odor.

I'm much better prepared. I always traveled with two sets of extra clothing. And many extra diapers and formula just in case we were delayed or stuck on the tarmac for several hours. My worst nightmare.

My kids are now 17 and 20, pretty tall, and even they help people with their bags if they are asked. I raised them to be polite and kind to people, unlike many on this forum.

Here’s where breastfeeding is a major leg up.

[Anonymous]

In the time it’s taken some of you to post your diatribes, you could have helped a person with their bag. Seriously, it costs you nothing to be a decent human being.

[Anonymous]

When airline overhead bins are required to be made to a standard to be accessible, I’ll worry about being “personally responsible” for getting my bag into the overhead. I can on some plane designs, I cannot on others particularly the newer middle compartments. I have never once had a problem requesting assistance and its laughable that I’d pay to check a bag or feel remotely responsible for something that far out of my control.

Are airlines paying online trolls like the Russians now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are disabled people out there who fly OP.

Which is why OP wrote “barring disability.” Perhaps you have a comprehension disorder?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

BS. We all know who you are. You are the people we change lines to avoid being behind at TSA.

No I’m not. But it doesn’t matter because my point is that that family you’re talking about also has a right to travel and when I see people who need a hand I lend one I don’t sit there scowling at them like a modern day Ebeneezer Scrooge

Whoop there it is. Your “right to travel” which a) doesn’t exist and b) doesn’t mean other people have to assist you. But that really just shows what an entitled a$$hole you are. You think it’s your right to demand others care for you like a child. No. You’re an adult and you’re responsible for yourself. The accommodation for this “right” is checking your damn bag.

How on earth are grown adults arguing that they have a “right” to be treated like a f**king child.

Again you aren’t reading as this is not actually applicable to me I have never not been able to manage my own luggage. I have helped others who looked like they needed it though.

They bought the ticket same as you, they have every right to be there same as you. You are the one who feels entitled to a fight where no humans interact with each other besides the ones you approve of. Maybe you should stay home if you can’t handle it

Try expressing your rights to the flight attendant and see how that goes if nobody wants to lift your bag.

The flight attendant will gate check the bag not throw you off the plane

Soo…remind us all why you didn’t just check that bag in the first place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

BS. We all know who you are. You are the people we change lines to avoid being behind at TSA.

No I’m not. But it doesn’t matter because my point is that that family you’re talking about also has a right to travel and when I see people who need a hand I lend one I don’t sit there scowling at them like a modern day Ebeneezer Scrooge

Whoop there it is. Your “right to travel” which a) doesn’t exist and b) doesn’t mean other people have to assist you. But that really just shows what an entitled a$$hole you are. You think it’s your right to demand others care for you like a child. No. You’re an adult and you’re responsible for yourself. The accommodation for this “right” is checking your damn bag.

How on earth are grown adults arguing that they have a “right” to be treated like a f**king child.

Again you aren’t reading as this is not actually applicable to me I have never not been able to manage my own luggage. I have helped others who looked like they needed it though.

They bought the ticket same as you, they have every right to be there same as you. You are the one who feels entitled to a fight where no humans interact with each other besides the ones you approve of. Maybe you should stay home if you can’t handle it

Try expressing your rights to the flight attendant and see how that goes if nobody wants to lift your bag.

The flight attendant will gate check the bag not throw you off the plane

Soo…remind us all why you didn’t just check that bag in the first place?

Gate checking is complimentary

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm short. Some newer interior designs are configured in a way that I simply cannot reach the overhead compartment, even on my tippy toes. If my bag meets the requirements for size and weight the airline publishes, then I should be able to store it on board even if I need help getting it into the storage compartment provided.

Airlines don't provide the service of transporting your handbags throughout the airport, so I'm not sure who is complaining about bags they can't carry on their own.

How short are you? I’m barely over 5 feet and this isn’t a problem. There is no “should” in air travel. If you think you can’t lift it, then check it.

Not with medication in it, I'm not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a tall woman. I've put up and taken down plenty of suitcases for other people, particularly the elderly. I'm sympathetic as I have a 5'0" mom (tall Dad) and I've been getting stuff off shelves for her since I was 10.

+1 as a tall man. I'm happy to help. It's also way more pleasant than going through life being angry at people about their luggage.

Thank you. Lots of really selfish people around here. DH is very tall; I'm super short. DH helps people he sees struggling, whether with their bags or in the grocery store trying to get stuff on the top shelf. He's a kind person. My kids (17 and 20) are tall, and even they have helped people in the airplane with their bags.

If I saw a mom with a baby and toddler trying to deal with bags and such, I'd help her. Aholes would just tell her that she shouldn't fly to go see her family.

A mom with a baby and toddler is asking for trouble trying to carry all those bags and deal with all the kids. There’s a simple solution to check the bags. It’s stupid to make things harder than they have to be.

You need formula, snacks, food, sippy cups, bottles, water for formula if its not liquid, diapers, wipes, clothing for everyone, medications, etc.

We were getting off our flight and a couple with a baby's flight was canceled and they were stranded about to finally get on board after about 14 hours at the airport and out of supplies. We saw them in a panic waiting for our stroller at the gate. Thankfully, I had extra in my car at the airport so I could clean out my stuff and give it to them, but you always need to pack at least 2-3 times what you think you need as well.

You don't need 2-3x of clothes, water bottles, snacks and food. The airport sells all of that. Just the essentials which should fit in one small bag.

Why on earth would you spend a fortune on diapers and other stuff at the airport when you can bring extra. I spend enough money on food at the airport. $20 for a burger and fries. I can't imagine how much a pack of diapers would cost there

Where on earth did I suggest you buy diapers at the airport? I specifically listed the things you should get at the airport and shockingly I didn’t say diapers or wipes. But if you’re trying to say you need 3 roll aboards worth of diapers, wipes and formula then you are full of shit. Maybe eat fewer burgers and fries for a start.

NP (and one who is a very efficient competent traveler with and without kids).

1) No one said anything about bringing on 3 roll bags either if you’re keeping score in bringing up materials not in evidence! Nor was there any evidence this poster is fat so the already far over the line fat insult doesn’t even make sense in context.

2) You absolutely need spare clothes for kids and they do not always sell it at the airport and if they do it’s generally crazy expensive.

3) Snacks and food also very expensive at the airport. And they don’t sell formula.

4) I have never seen a bottle for sale at the airport or kids cups/gear which is how you get through the flight without making a mess

5) PP clearly described why you do need extra of everything if you don’t want to spend a ton of unnecessary money in case of delays/just a long travel da

6) Generally the required accoutrement is in a diaper bag (which is not tiny although not ridiculous), a carry on and a stroller. When you add the children in this can get overwhelming.

7) Helping people costs you nothing. No one walks through life without ever experiencing a moment when the kindness of a stranger can make a great impact, if you think you have you just haven’t had your eyes open.

Tell me you’ve never flown with kids without saying you’ve never flown with kids. Tell me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk without telling me you’re an unhappy ungenerous jerk.

And I’m really a brand np and my kids look like they’ve been trained at the factory line in an airport they are all on point and we never hold anyone up. But the lack of humanity in this thread is why traveling has become such a garbage experience.

No one sits on their death bed regretting that time they helped an overwhelmed mom or elderly woman with their suitcase.

I have 3 kids and have successfully traveled with them. You must have some planning and executive function deficiencies to go along with your bad attitude and sense of entitlement if this is so hard. If you haven’t learned this by now, and do you really have kids if you haven’t, you have to move a little slower, check bags if needed, and take your time. Packing your entire life into carry on bags, lugging car seats strollers, baby carriers and trying to wrangle a toddler is stupid. Nobody said traveling with kids was easy and sacrifices are made. Maybe drive to your destination instead of throwing yourself to the mercy of unsuspecting other travelers expecting them to ease your burden.

How fortunate for you that your flight with little kids have never been delayed for hours. That's never happened to me, but I did learn a hard lesson about airlines losing my luggage with all my baby's stuff in there. They had lost it for a week. From then on, I always packed at least 2 days worth of stuff in the carryon.

Have you never read news stories of people being stuck in the airplane for hours on the runway, and the airline wouldn't let them disembark? I always shudder to think what that would be like with a toddler and baby.

You're an a$$ to not expect people to travel to see family, who may be on another continent, or across the country, just because you think no one should have to help the moms. Trying to deal with a baby and toddler is hard no matter where you are. It doesn't hurt you to be kind. But, I guess that's beyond your morals.

No one was even saying you must help, only that being kind costs you nothing to help.

I had a baby vomit all over me on a flight. I had an extra change of clothes for all of us and a plastic bag. We still didn’t have so many bags we couldn’t manage. Are you generally helpless? Are you bringing a giant tub of formula or something? What gives?

What would happen if after changing your clothes after the baby vomited on you, the baby then pooped on you and themself? You'd have to sit there and suffer the poop smell on yourself, and make everyone around you also suffer the odor.

I'm much better prepared. I always traveled with two sets of extra clothing. And many extra diapers and formula just in case we were delayed or stuck on the tarmac for several hours. My worst nightmare.

My kids are now 17 and 20, pretty tall, and even they help people with their bags if they are asked. I raised them to be polite and kind to people, unlike many on this forum.

Here’s where breastfeeding is a major leg up.

Not everyone can breastfeed