FCPS is turning the new high school purchased to fix crowding into an Aviation magnet school instead of a high school??

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This entire facility is intentionally divided by sex; separate cafeterias for boys and girls; separate auditoriums, etc.; everything.

It is not compatible with FCPS gender-policies.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a great idea for students who are interested in the aviation field. Provides academics plus an opportunity for well paying vocational track. It will help reduce overcrowding because the schools won’t be limited to aviation.

They first need to decide what the base school boundaries will be. Sounds to me l8ke they 0lan for it to be tiny.

I fall into the group that thinks that they are going to limit it to McNair, Coates, and Oak Hill and that they are doing this to prevent too many kids being moved from South Lakes to the new school. This keeps the Floris kids at South Lakes at South Lakes and the Fox Mill kids at South Lakes. Crossfield parents seem to be fine with their kids attending Oakton and are less willing to move to the new school.

Herndon HS and South lakes HS have enough FARMs kids that I am sure the argument will be that a vocational program would be used by kids from those schools, which are close by, and hence it is worthwhile. It might even siphon off some of the FARMs kids. I am not sold that FARMs kids parents are involved enough to be aware of academies and the like that this is going to be useful for anyone. And if that is the population they are trying to hit, there is enough space at Herndon HS, which is not that far from Dulles to put the program there.

Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

Same. This was a big topic amongst parents at Carson 7th BTSN last night. Our kids would be the first ones at this new school if we're zoned there.

We just spent $80 million to renovate and expand Oakton. Someone needs to go there or we’ve just wasted money.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire facility is intentionally divided by sex; separate cafeterias for boys and girls; separate auditoriums, etc.; everything.

It is not compatible with FCPS gender-policies.

I think we could adjust the sex restricted areas pretty easily. I'm not sure how that even works. I don't think there are any urinals in the boys' cafeteria, are there?

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Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

Not sure. We live less than 10 minutes from the Carson/KAA campus, and it's nuts that they would put a HS there and not include the neighborhoods where kids currently have a 40 minute bus ride to Oakton

Crossfield, Floris, and Fox Mill are within a 10 minute commute of KAA. I understand Crossfield has the longest commute and relieving that is important but they are not the only ones close to KAA. Oak Hill is pretty much next door. I don't know the distances for Coates and McNair.

I think people have discussed Coates, McNair and Floris because they are at Carson as base schools. Fox Mill is the other base school. With the School Board talking about dealing with split feeders, sending the Carson base schools to the HS next door makes sense. The problem is the HS those schools feed into is full but not overcrowded. Oak Hill is mentioned because of its proximity but it goes to Oakton, again, not full but a long bus ride. Crossfield is close by and has a long bus ride to Oakton HS.

If we are including Oak Hill and Crossfield at KAA, then there probably needs to be a shift of MS. Oakhill and Crossfield should be shifted to Carson. Fox Mill would probably be shifted to Hughes, which would not be popular with parents. Oak Hill would need to be backfilled at Franklin. Crossfield is backfilled by Fox Mill at Hughes.

The reality is, South Lakes would see a real increase in FARMs and a drop in test scores if it loses Floris or Fox Mill. Floris is less damaging because it is only a portion for Floris that attends South Lakes. Oakton is fine if it loses Oak Hill and Crossfield.

Chantilly and Centerville need the most relief and get none from the new HS. Centerville and Chantilly parents don't want to be moved to Westfield, which will need back fill if Coates and McNair are moved.

Someone is hoping that the aviation academy reduces the boundary moving and explanation that they have to do because they know that families moved to a school that is not KAA are going to be unhappy with where they move and families who could have been moved but are not are going to be angry.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a great idea for students who are interested in the aviation field. Provides academics plus an opportunity for well paying vocational track. It will help reduce overcrowding because the schools won’t be limited to aviation.

They first need to decide what the base school boundaries will be. Sounds to me l8ke they 0lan for it to be tiny.

I fall into the group that thinks that they are going to limit it to McNair, Coates, and Oak Hill and that they are doing this to prevent too many kids being moved from South Lakes to the new school. This keeps the Floris kids at South Lakes at South Lakes and the Fox Mill kids at South Lakes. Crossfield parents seem to be fine with their kids attending Oakton and are less willing to move to the new school.

Herndon HS and South lakes HS have enough FARMs kids that I am sure the argument will be that a vocational program would be used by kids from those schools, which are close by, and hence it is worthwhile. It might even siphon off some of the FARMs kids. I am not sold that FARMs kids parents are involved enough to be aware of academies and the like that this is going to be useful for anyone. And if that is the population they are trying to hit, there is enough space at Herndon HS, which is not that far from Dulles to put the program there.

I thought South Lakes is only 30% FARMs. That's below the average. That said, this proposed aviation program will likely draw students from across demographics. It may very help with FARMs levels at neighboring schools. FCPS is still figuring out what this program will be. We'll all know soon.

SLHS is at 30 or so percent FARMs after they moved a bunch of kids 20 years ago, to include Floris and Fox Mill. Pull those kids out and that FARMs rate increases. Backfill those kids with Crossfield, to save the Crossfield commute to Oakton, and the FARMs rate would be stable but the Crossfield parents will flip out. No one wants IB. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire facility is intentionally divided by sex; separate cafeterias for boys and girls; separate auditoriums, etc.; everything.

It is not compatible with FCPS gender-policies.

I think we could adjust the sex restricted areas pretty easily. I'm not sure how that even works. I don't think there are any urinals in the boys' cafeteria, are there?

All bathrooms are currently configured for wudu.

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Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

Not sure. We live less than 10 minutes from the Carson/KAA campus, and it's nuts that they would put a HS there and not include the neighborhoods where kids currently have a 40 minute bus ride to Oakton

Crossfield, Floris, and Fox Mill are within a 10 minute commute of KAA. I understand Crossfield has the longest commute and relieving that is important but they are not the only ones close to KAA. Oak Hill is pretty much next door. I don't know the distances for Coates and McNair.

I think people have discussed Coates, McNair and Floris because they are at Carson as base schools. Fox Mill is the other base school. With the School Board talking about dealing with split feeders, sending the Carson base schools to the HS next door makes sense. The problem is the HS those schools feed into is full but not overcrowded. Oak Hill is mentioned because of its proximity but it goes to Oakton, again, not full but a long bus ride. Crossfield is close by and has a long bus ride to Oakton HS.

If we are including Oak Hill and Crossfield at KAA, then there probably needs to be a shift of MS. Oakhill and Crossfield should be shifted to Carson. Fox Mill would probably be shifted to Hughes, which would not be popular with parents. Oak Hill would need to be backfilled at Franklin. Crossfield is backfilled by Fox Mill at Hughes.

The reality is, South Lakes would see a real increase in FARMs and a drop in test scores if it loses Floris or Fox Mill. Floris is less damaging because it is only a portion for Floris that attends South Lakes. Oakton is fine if it loses Oak Hill and Crossfield.

Chantilly and Centerville need the most relief and get none from the new HS. Centerville and Chantilly parents don't want to be moved to Westfield, which will need back fill if Coates and McNair are moved.

Someone is hoping that the aviation academy reduces the boundary moving and explanation that they have to do because they know that families moved to a school that is not KAA are going to be unhappy with where they move and families who could have been moved but are not are going to be angry.

Many Crossfield students DO attend Carson. The only Crossfield neighborhood districted to Hughes is Fox Mill Woods, and those students don't go to Oakton, but Southlakes. It would make a lot of sense for all students currently having Carson as base school to also attend the new high school.

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Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

Not sure. We live less than 10 minutes from the Carson/KAA campus, and it's nuts that they would put a HS there and not include the neighborhoods where kids currently have a 40 minute bus ride to Oakton

Crossfield, Floris, and Fox Mill are within a 10 minute commute of KAA. I understand Crossfield has the longest commute and relieving that is important but they are not the only ones close to KAA. Oak Hill is pretty much next door. I don't know the distances for Coates and McNair.

I think people have discussed Coates, McNair and Floris because they are at Carson as base schools. Fox Mill is the other base school. With the School Board talking about dealing with split feeders, sending the Carson base schools to the HS next door makes sense. The problem is the HS those schools feed into is full but not overcrowded. Oak Hill is mentioned because of its proximity but it goes to Oakton, again, not full but a long bus ride. Crossfield is close by and has a long bus ride to Oakton HS.

If we are including Oak Hill and Crossfield at KAA, then there probably needs to be a shift of MS. Oakhill and Crossfield should be shifted to Carson. Fox Mill would probably be shifted to Hughes, which would not be popular with parents. Oak Hill would need to be backfilled at Franklin. Crossfield is backfilled by Fox Mill at Hughes.

The reality is, South Lakes would see a real increase in FARMs and a drop in test scores if it loses Floris or Fox Mill. Floris is less damaging because it is only a portion for Floris that attends South Lakes. Oakton is fine if it loses Oak Hill and Crossfield.

Chantilly and Centerville need the most relief and get none from the new HS. Centerville and Chantilly parents don't want to be moved to Westfield, which will need back fill if Coates and McNair are moved.

Someone is hoping that the aviation academy reduces the boundary moving and explanation that they have to do because they know that families moved to a school that is not KAA are going to be unhappy with where they move and families who could have been moved but are not are going to be angry.

Gee. So much wrong with this.

I think people have discussed Coates, McNair and Floris because they are at Carson as base schools. Fox Mill is the other base school. With the School Board talking about dealing with split feeders, sending the Carson base schools to the HS next door makes sense. The problem is the HS those schools feed into is full but not overcrowded. Oak Hill is mentioned because of its proximity but it goes to Oakton, again, not full but a long bus ride. Crossfield is close by and has a long bus ride to Oakton HS.

Oak Hill goes to Chantilly. It would relieve Chantilly.

If we are including Oak Hill and Crossfield at KAA, then there probably needs to be a shift of MS. Oakhill and Crossfield should be shifted to Carson. Fox Mill would probably be shifted to Hughes, which would not be popular with parents. Oak Hill would need to be backfilled at Franklin. Crossfield is backfilled by Fox Mill at Hughes.

Crossfield currently goes to Carson. Much of Oak Hill also goes to Carson as part of the AAP program.

The reality is, South Lakes would see a real increase in FARMs and a drop in test scores if it loses Floris or Fox Mill. Floris is less damaging because it is only a portion for Floris that attends South Lakes. Oakton is fine if it loses Oak Hill and Crossfield.

Much of Floris is presently at Westfield. It is doubtful that Fox Mill would be included at KAA. There might need to be a shift at middle school to Hughes or Franklin, but it may not be needed. Shift Lee's Corner AAP to Franklin where there would be plenty of room if they also put Navy and Waples Mill AAP there. So, by removing Navy and Waples Mill AAP to Franklin, there would be a big enough cohort for AAP at Franklin.

Chantilly and Centerville need the most relief and get none from the new HS. Centerville and Chantilly parents don't want to be moved to Westfield, which will need back fill if Coates and McNair are moved

Chantilly would get relief from Oak Hill at KAA. Yes, some of Centreville would likely be needed to backfill Westfield--but not much. Westfield has a lot of new construction. There is also new construction along the 28 corridor which may be Chantilly --that could also go to Westfield. And, in any case, Westfield is currently pretty large and can afford to lose some.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

Not sure. We live less than 10 minutes from the Carson/KAA campus, and it's nuts that they would put a HS there and not include the neighborhoods where kids currently have a 40 minute bus ride to Oakton

Crossfield, Floris, and Fox Mill are within a 10 minute commute of KAA. I understand Crossfield has the longest commute and relieving that is important but they are not the only ones close to KAA. Oak Hill is pretty much next door. I don't know the distances for Coates and McNair.

I think people have discussed Coates, McNair and Floris because they are at Carson as base schools. Fox Mill is the other base school. With the School Board talking about dealing with split feeders, sending the Carson base schools to the HS next door makes sense. The problem is the HS those schools feed into is full but not overcrowded. Oak Hill is mentioned because of its proximity but it goes to Oakton, again, not full but a long bus ride. Crossfield is close by and has a long bus ride to Oakton HS.

If we are including Oak Hill and Crossfield at KAA, then there probably needs to be a shift of MS. Oakhill and Crossfield should be shifted to Carson. Fox Mill would probably be shifted to Hughes, which would not be popular with parents. Oak Hill would need to be backfilled at Franklin. Crossfield is backfilled by Fox Mill at Hughes.

The reality is, South Lakes would see a real increase in FARMs and a drop in test scores if it loses Floris or Fox Mill. Floris is less damaging because it is only a portion for Floris that attends South Lakes. Oakton is fine if it loses Oak Hill and Crossfield.

Chantilly and Centerville need the most relief and get none from the new HS. Centerville and Chantilly parents don't want to be moved to Westfield, which will need back fill if Coates and McNair are moved.

Someone is hoping that the aviation academy reduces the boundary moving and explanation that they have to do because they know that families moved to a school that is not KAA are going to be unhappy with where they move and families who could have been moved but are not are going to be angry.

People have discussed Floris, McNair, and Coates because KAA is in the Floris district, all three schools feed primarily or entirely to Westfield, and Coates and McNair are north of Floris.

So kids at Floris have first dibs on KAA and they would then need to do something with Coates and McNair to avoid creating a true Westfield attendance island (as opposed to the fake one some claim already exists). If they don’t move Coates to KAA they are creating a rich-kid school in a fancy building (bad optics), and McNair likely moves with Coates.

After that, Oak Hill is the most likely school to move because that relieves overcrowding at Chantilly, and after that it’s anyone’s guess as to whether there’s space for more kids and, if so, whether they’d come from Fox Mill or Crossfield.

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Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

I live in FF and I have never heard anyone say he lives here nor have I ever seen him around. Maybe he lives in another Crossfield/Oakton neighborhood nearby but but pretty sure not FF.

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So kids at Floris have first dibs on KAA and they would then need to do something with Coates and McNair to avoid creating a true Westfield attendance island (as opposed to the fake one some claim already exists). If they don’t move Coates to KAA they are creating a rich-kid school in a fancy building (bad optics), and McNair likely moves with Coate

It's not fake. There are 5 miles between the Westfield High and the closest kids that go to Carson.
Suggest you look at a map and tell me which other students are closer. Maybe those by Wegmans--which are at least 4 miles. That means they are isolated from the school community friends.

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Every parent that I've spoken to in my neighborhood, both with elementary, middle, and hs aged students at Oakton, would love for their kid to attend the new school instead of Oakton, myself included. We are in a Crossfield neighborhood.

That bus ride has to be much worse now than it was years ago.

Question: I've heard that McDaniel lives in Franklin Farm. Is he a Crossfield/Oakton parent?

I live in FF and I have never heard anyone say he lives here nor have I ever seen him around. Maybe he lives in another Crossfield/Oakton neighborhood nearby but but pretty sure not FF.

He is zoned to Crossfield/Carson/Oakton.

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So kids at Floris have first dibs on KAA and they would then need to do something with Coates and McNair to avoid creating a true Westfield attendance island (as opposed to the fake one some claim already exists). If they don’t move Coates to KAA they are creating a rich-kid school in a fancy building (bad optics), and McNair likely moves with Coate

It's not fake. There are 5 miles between the Westfield High and the closest kids that go to Carson.
Suggest you look at a map and tell me which other students are closer. Maybe those by Wegmans--which are at least 4 miles. That means they are isolated from the school community friends.

FCPS has a specific definition for an “attendance island” and this ain’t it.

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So kids at Floris have first dibs on KAA and they would then need to do something with Coates and McNair to avoid creating a true Westfield attendance island (as opposed to the fake one some claim already exists). If they don’t move Coates to KAA they are creating a rich-kid school in a fancy building (bad optics), and McNair likely moves with Coate

It's not fake. There are 5 miles between the Westfield High and the closest kids that go to Carson.
Suggest you look at a map and tell me which other students are closer. Maybe those by Wegmans--which are at least 4 miles. That means they are isolated from the school community friends.

FCPS has a specific definition for an “attendance island” and this ain’t it.

I don't care. If it looks like a duck, talks like a duck, and acts like a duck.......

And, some of those buses may pass through Chantilly or South Lakes neighborhoods to get there if they don't use 28.

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The Westfield-zoned folks who want to move to KAA and want to avoid Westfield pretend the area north of Route 50 is an attendance island when it isn’t, exaggerate the growth within the part of the Westfield district that would stay at Westfield, and under-estimate the number of Centreville kids who’d have to backfill Westfield if and when all these Westfield kids move to KAA.

They are in a pickle because they clearly don’t want their kids to attend Westfield but others can see through their arguments and don’t want their kids moved there, either. They ought to convince Reid and Baenig to change the administration there if they think it’s so bad.