Can someone give me the number to call to report boundary fraud?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

It’s basically the whole reason tons of us got screwed over when they change the boundaries bc Deal and JR are overcrowded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is nuts. Why would you go out of your way and do unethical things for years just to go to mediocre to subpar schools in DC? Just rent or move to the burbs for much better options if you strike out in the lottery.

Are people really that desperate to stay in the city??

Yes. I grew up in the burbs here and it’s hell on earth. Also, the schools people cheat to get into aren’t bad.

Close in DC suburbs aren't bad but woof if you're outside that and even a bit different. And trust me the education isn't what people think it's just far more homogeneous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

Basically this. DCPS is about creating a system of mediocrity. Change that and create good schools people want to attend in-bound. But that’s seen as catering to UMC, which people refuse to do. Why is creating good education catering to the UMC? All these people who aren’t UMC are trying to get their kids into that school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

Basically this. DCPS is about creating a system of mediocrity. Change that and create good schools people want to attend in-bound. But that’s seen as catering to UMC, which people refuse to do. Why is creating good education catering to the UMC? All these people who aren’t UMC are trying to get their kids into that school.

What does that have to do with cheating and fraud? I’m dealing with the system without fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

Ok, well you're still a cheater and the person on the other side of your decision is the cheated, and that's a child that you're screwing over. So congrats on being a bad person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

Basically this. DCPS is about creating a system of mediocrity. Change that and create good schools people want to attend in-bound. But that’s seen as catering to UMC, which people refuse to do. Why is creating good education catering to the UMC? All these people who aren’t UMC are trying to get their kids into that school.

What does that have to do with cheating and fraud? I’m dealing with the system without fraud.

Because when there are good schools, people don’t have to cheat to get into the one good school.

[Anonymous]

+1000. Of course that's the main issue. Yes, Bowser ditching the two tests for admissions to Walls four years ago certainly hasn't helped EotP.

[Anonymous]

Anybody who posts about the need for more good schools in DC on DCUM is obviously a boundary cheater and/or residency cheater. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anybody who posts about the need for more good schools in DC on DCUM is obviously a boundary cheater and/or residency cheater. Got it.

Actually it's the boundary cheaters who don't care, because they got theirs. The people complaining are the ones who aren't cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

Basically this. DCPS is about creating a system of mediocrity. Change that and create good schools people want to attend in-bound. But that’s seen as catering to UMC, which people refuse to do. Why is creating good education catering to the UMC? All these people who aren’t UMC are trying to get their kids into that school.

What does that have to do with cheating and fraud? I’m dealing with the system without fraud.

Because when there are good schools, people don’t have to cheat to get into the one good school.

Nobody HAS TO cheat. That is the point. I also would like my kid to go to J-R but I am not cheating to get him there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is boundary fraud actually widespread? Seems like the CH families (not a charter or DCPS application school) now largely go to MacArthur HS which is open enrollment in the school lottery.

I don't think boundary fraud is widespread, for a variety of reasons including the fact that people might find out and it puts your kid in a terrible position. We know multiple people who could have done it (because a relative lives IB for a very desirable school) but chose not to for this specific reason -- they didn't want to have to lie to fellow families at the school, and they especially didn't want their kids to lie (or to lie to their kids).

But even if it's not widespread or enforced, it doesn't make it good. It's one thing to argue that it's not worth discussing because it's fairly rare. Fair enough. But I don't understand the people arguing on the thread that it's actually fine. It's obviously not -- it exacerbates some existing problems within DCPS (like overcrowding at some schools and under enrollment at other, the lack of community at many schools). And it's just dishonest.

I'm not running around trying to hunt down boundary cheats and report them, but some of the comments on this thread in support of the practice are insane. No. It's unethical and wrong. I'm never going to say it's okay, there is always a better answer.

Who asked you what it is? The "better answer" you're looking for is a school system with many more high-performing schools across the board than ours in the District. What's insane is that a small number of boundary cheats are the object of your ire when the crux of the problem is obviously there's just one UMC-friendly neighborhood high school in the whole city, J-R.

A few pages back, somebody posted about Blair Montgomery in MoCo being a high school to avoid in the 80s but an in-demand program by the 90s, after the county established test-in magnet programs there with a county-wide draw. We don't have high schools turning around like that in the District because our ed leaders don't give a hoot if UMC families have access to 6th-12th grade they're satisfied with. Things were better EotP before Covid, when the strongest 8th grade students had access to Walls, before Bowser ensured that their entrance exam was scrapped. She also made sure that the admissions requirement that each applicant submit a standardized test score like PARCC or the PSAT ended. Banneker's admissions people don't even check if an applicant took advanced math in 8th grade. We know straight-A 8th graders taking geometry and algebra II who were turned away at Banneker even as applicants struggling in pre-algebra were admitted. What a system.

Fuss all you want about a few boundary cheaters. Hint: that focus is getting you nowhere.

If you think these things aren't related (mediocrity at other schools and boundary cheating) I don't know what to tell you. UMC parents who routinely express there's only one non charter/test option either through cheating or not signal to DCPS to invest resources elsewhere because even an IB program or a pre-college program won't satisfy them.

[Anonymous]

Not sure quite what you’re getting at but I can tell you this, boundary cheating doesn’t seem to be an issue in the better DMV suburban school systems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t CH folks want to go to school with their neighbors? Why do they want to go to school with people they don’t want as neighbors?

Serious question? DCPS doesn't offer appropriate challenge for most UMC students at the middle school level, let alone in high school. You nothing about this problem? In DCPS middle schools, kids who work multiple years behind grade level are lumped in the very same classes with kids who work ahead of grade level. There's no academic tracking, other than for math and maybe English. No advanced middle school offerings in any subject in DCPS schools. People aren't rejecting neighbors at all; they're rejecting lack of vital rigor and order for that matter. You invariably get rowdy classrooms when most of the students are either lost or bored.

S-H has started quietly tracking in math as it's population of kids capable of working ahead has grown. Just like Deal and Hardy track because they have a critical mass of kids ready for it.

So the key to getting tracked classes and more advanced coursework is... to send your kids to these schools in larger numbers.

Ding ding! And yet 400 people will tell you why that's not possible because XYZ

DCPS lets you track in math so why it’s such a secret at SH, I don’t know. But I hear that the higher tracking there is really just on grade level.

But DCPS will not let you track kids in other subjects. They just won’t. Case in point is SH. It’s because of equity. They believe in mixed ability classes because some small study says the lower performing kids do better.

The answer is to just get out of DCPS completely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So wait, my taxes are ok to support a non existing police force that lets shop lifters and violent criminals off the hook but I can’t rent a second home to have my kid go to a school that’s better than the one where math proficiency is 37%??

If the system was functional, I would GLADLY use it. But it’s not.

Are you actually suggesting that you should be allowed to cheat and break the rules so long as someone, somewhere, at some point, broke a different rule? I would hope that your child would know better, even if you don't.

I’m paying into a system that isn’t providing the most basic social contract function, physical safety. It’s not someone, somewhere, it’s right on my street and on your street—it’s systemic! I witnessed a robbery in broad daylight, reported to the police, identified the perpetrator (who was later just sitting in the park with a pile of things he stole and I pointed him out to the officer) and the police literally did nothing. My kid was also witness to the track meet shooting at the end of last school year; the track meet was literally next to the most dangerous intersection in the city. Why? Because we are cosplaying equity. Meanwhile we feed the poorest of our kids (those who really need quality breakfast) sugary crap for breakfast in DCPS. I do support our local ANC commissioner who is one of the rare sane ones.

But, no, if the system is rotten, I don’t feel an ounce of moral obligation to follow its rules. Watch The Wire. That’s basically where we are with DC governance. I hate Trump more than any person in recent history but he has a point about DC. :/