School Supplies lists and Janitorial Supplies

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

Do you send Kleenex just for your child? Each child has their own box? Is the teacher emailing each parent of each child who uses up their box of Kleenex?

Yes. My kids have Kleenex in their bookbags.

And if they run out? Do their noses just drip until they get home?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

Do you send Kleenex just for your child? Each child has their own box? Is the teacher emailing each parent of each child who uses up their box of Kleenex?

Yes. My kids have Kleenex in their bookbags.

And if they run out? Do their noses just drip until they get home?

Bathroom tissue? Checking and refilling it regularly? Building problem solving skills are apart of life. This isnt that serious. What do you think poor kids do in other states?

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Anonymous wrote:From what I gather from this thread, some parents do not want to send supplies to school because:

1. I don’t want to share my money with others.
2. Teachers should supply the materials
3. Teachers should put up with whatever quality supplies the school can give them. If they run out, too bad.
4. Teachers should do a better job of keeping track of pencils, instead of preparing and delivering quality lessons.

IMO the only reason parents shouldn’t send supplies is if they cannot afford them.

No
1. Teachers should not request janitorial supplies
2. Teachers should request only what each child needs for the year. One pack of 12 pencils is plenty. One packing 24 crayons is plenty why 4x24 packs

1. What if the school does not provide these supplies (as posters have stated)?

But that isn’t what the FCPS teachers said. They said they had to ask 2-7 days in advance for paper towels and the school provided spray and so they preferred that the parents buy them their selected wipes.

If the school genuinely does not provide janitorial supplies that message should come from the principal to the parents so the teachers have nothing to do with it.

If it's on the school supply list, then the principal or someone in admin has approved it, PP.

That’s not the same thing— the principal should say to the parents, at back to school night or in a public email, we do not supply the teachers with paper towels or any cleaning supplies. Then the parents can write their school board members, local media, etc. because it’s very absurd.

What’s much more likely is, as teachers posted here, they don’t like the cleaning supplies provided.

You seem to have a really good opinion of your child’s teachers. Do they know how little respect you have for them? Do your kids?

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to expect people to use the supplies available. It’s what I do at my office and every person who works for me (and I work for) is expected to do. Respect is not demonstrated by charitable donations in the professional world.

The important piece you’re missing though is that you office is probably consistently well-stocked with supplies of a reasonable quality— so comparing your “professional world” with a public school is comparing kiwi to red delicious apples that have been in storage for a year.

And this is why it’s something the principals should be addressing, not the teachers. I think most people would consider keeping basic cleaning supplies “of a reasonable quality” in schools to be part of the principals job, not something teachers are told to ask for donations of.

And I think you’d be surprised at what passes for “consistently well stocked with supplies of reasonable quality” in non-school workplaces. But when the pens break immediately we talk to the people responsible for office supplies (or bring our own). We don’t start asking clients to donate us a box of because we don’t like them.

You are not understanding the public school environment. There are schools where individual teachers are given few or even no cleaning supplies. The principal doesn’t ask for them. Sure, it would be nice if teachers got whatever they needed from the school or the principal created a school-wide supplies drive. But that is not the reality for many teachers. Do you want your individual child’s classroom to be clean? Do you step up at PTO/HSA mtgs to say you aren’t sending in cleaning supplies until they implement your system?

+1

I don’t even have running water in my portable. Wiping desks every couple of days, especially during flu/norovirus/strep outbreaks is important.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

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No, it’s not that serious. It’s actually pretty simple. You send in a few boxes of Kleenex so your kid’s classroom, where they spend hours every day, has tissues. That’s how poor kids get tissues. Or the teacher pays for those kids to have tissues. Of course. But that’s not your problem, is it?

People can be so dense and petty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, it’s not that serious. It’s actually pretty simple. You send in a few boxes of Kleenex so your kid’s classroom, where they spend hours every day, has tissues. That’s how poor kids get tissues. Or the teacher pays for those kids to have tissues. Of course. But that’s not your problem, is it?

People can be so dense and petty.

No.

[Anonymous]

TLDR but I send in everything. Not everyone can send in so I do my part, if you can't send everything in, then dono, if you can then do. That's about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No, it’s not that serious. It’s actually pretty simple. You send in a few boxes of Kleenex so your kid’s classroom, where they spend hours every day, has tissues. That’s how poor kids get tissues. Or the teacher pays for those kids to have tissues. Of course. But that’s not your problem, is it?

People can be so dense and petty.

No.

Selfish and irrational response.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

Right- so when a parent doesn’t answer you or send in supplies, you just let the kid sit there and struggle? It’s not their fault. If I did that as a teacher, and an admin observed me allowing a student to sit there without proper supplies, they’d surely be upset with me. Counselors have extra supplies & teachers usually purchase extra supplies as well. Not every teacher collects “communal supplies”. I stopped doing that during Covid times and never returned to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

Right- so when a parent doesn’t answer you or send in supplies, you just let the kid sit there and struggle? It’s not their fault. If I did that as a teacher, and an admin observed me allowing a student to sit there without proper supplies, they’d surely be upset with me. Counselors have extra supplies & teachers usually purchase extra supplies as well. Not every teacher collects “communal supplies”. I stopped doing that during Covid times and never returned to it.

The admin can buy the supplies if they're upset

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

Right- so when a parent doesn’t answer you or send in supplies, you just let the kid sit there and struggle? It’s not their fault. If I did that as a teacher, and an admin observed me allowing a student to sit there without proper supplies, they’d surely be upset with me. Counselors have extra supplies & teachers usually purchase extra supplies as well. Not every teacher collects “communal supplies”. I stopped doing that during Covid times and never returned to it.

The admin can buy the supplies if they're upset

And you don’t care about the effect on that child or your child’s teacher.

You do know the classroom environment affects your child, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I gather from this thread, some parents do not want to send supplies to school because:

1. I don’t want to share my money with others.
2. Teachers should supply the materials
3. Teachers should put up with whatever quality supplies the school can give them. If they run out, too bad.
4. Teachers should do a better job of keeping track of pencils, instead of preparing and delivering quality lessons.

IMO the only reason parents shouldn’t send supplies is if they cannot afford them.

No
1. Teachers should not request janitorial supplies
2. Teachers should request only what each child needs for the year. One pack of 12 pencils is plenty. One packing 24 crayons is plenty why 4x24 packs

1. What if the school does not provide these supplies (as posters have stated)?

But that isn’t what the FCPS teachers said. They said they had to ask 2-7 days in advance for paper towels and the school provided spray and so they preferred that the parents buy them their selected wipes.

If the school genuinely does not provide janitorial supplies that message should come from the principal to the parents so the teachers have nothing to do with it.

If it's on the school supply list, then the principal or someone in admin has approved it, PP.

That’s not the same thing— the principal should say to the parents, at back to school night or in a public email, we do not supply the teachers with paper towels or any cleaning supplies. Then the parents can write their school board members, local media, etc. because it’s very absurd.

What’s much more likely is, as teachers posted here, they don’t like the cleaning supplies provided.

You seem to have a really good opinion of your child’s teachers. Do they know how little respect you have for them? Do your kids?

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to expect people to use the supplies available. It’s what I do at my office and every person who works for me (and I work for) is expected to do. Respect is not demonstrated by charitable donations in the professional world.

The important piece you’re missing though is that you office is probably consistently well-stocked with supplies of a reasonable quality— so comparing your “professional world” with a public school is comparing kiwi to red delicious apples that have been in storage for a year.

And this is why it’s something the principals should be addressing, not the teachers. I think most people would consider keeping basic cleaning supplies “of a reasonable quality” in schools to be part of the principals job, not something teachers are told to ask for donations of.

And I think you’d be surprised at what passes for “consistently well stocked with supplies of reasonable quality” in non-school workplaces. But when the pens break immediately we talk to the people responsible for office supplies (or bring our own). We don’t start asking clients to donate us a box of because we don’t like them.

You are not understanding the public school environment. There are schools where individual teachers are given few or even no cleaning supplies. The principal doesn’t ask for them. Sure, it would be nice if teachers got whatever they needed from the school or the principal created a school-wide supplies drive. But that is not the reality for many teachers. Do you want your individual child’s classroom to be clean? Do you step up at PTO/HSA mtgs to say you aren’t sending in cleaning supplies until they implement your system?

Then the principal needs to be accountable to the parents for that choice. This thread makes me want to put in a FOIA request for how much FCPS budgets for cleaning supplies every year for parents to still be expected to keep paying for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

Right- so when a parent doesn’t answer you or send in supplies, you just let the kid sit there and struggle? It’s not their fault. If I did that as a teacher, and an admin observed me allowing a student to sit there without proper supplies, they’d surely be upset with me. Counselors have extra supplies & teachers usually purchase extra supplies as well. Not every teacher collects “communal supplies”. I stopped doing that during Covid times and never returned to it.

The admin can buy the supplies if they're upset

And you don’t care about the effect on that child or your child’s teacher.

You do know the classroom environment affects your child, right?

Other kids' lack of preparedness for school is the least of my concerns for FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From what I gather from this thread, some parents do not want to send supplies to school because:

1. I don’t want to share my money with others.
2. Teachers should supply the materials
3. Teachers should put up with whatever quality supplies the school can give them. If they run out, too bad.
4. Teachers should do a better job of keeping track of pencils, instead of preparing and delivering quality lessons.

IMO the only reason parents shouldn’t send supplies is if they cannot afford them.

No
1. Teachers should not request janitorial supplies
2. Teachers should request only what each child needs for the year. One pack of 12 pencils is plenty. One packing 24 crayons is plenty why 4x24 packs

1. What if the school does not provide these supplies (as posters have stated)?

But that isn’t what the FCPS teachers said. They said they had to ask 2-7 days in advance for paper towels and the school provided spray and so they preferred that the parents buy them their selected wipes.

If the school genuinely does not provide janitorial supplies that message should come from the principal to the parents so the teachers have nothing to do with it.

If it's on the school supply list, then the principal or someone in admin has approved it, PP.

That’s not the same thing— the principal should say to the parents, at back to school night or in a public email, we do not supply the teachers with paper towels or any cleaning supplies. Then the parents can write their school board members, local media, etc. because it’s very absurd.

What’s much more likely is, as teachers posted here, they don’t like the cleaning supplies provided.

You seem to have a really good opinion of your child’s teachers. Do they know how little respect you have for them? Do your kids?

I don’t think it’s disrespectful to expect people to use the supplies available. It’s what I do at my office and every person who works for me (and I work for) is expected to do. Respect is not demonstrated by charitable donations in the professional world.

The important piece you’re missing though is that you office is probably consistently well-stocked with supplies of a reasonable quality— so comparing your “professional world” with a public school is comparing kiwi to red delicious apples that have been in storage for a year.

And this is why it’s something the principals should be addressing, not the teachers. I think most people would consider keeping basic cleaning supplies “of a reasonable quality” in schools to be part of the principals job, not something teachers are told to ask for donations of.

And I think you’d be surprised at what passes for “consistently well stocked with supplies of reasonable quality” in non-school workplaces. But when the pens break immediately we talk to the people responsible for office supplies (or bring our own). We don’t start asking clients to donate us a box of because we don’t like them.

You are not understanding the public school environment. There are schools where individual teachers are given few or even no cleaning supplies. The principal doesn’t ask for them. Sure, it would be nice if teachers got whatever they needed from the school or the principal created a school-wide supplies drive. But that is not the reality for many teachers. Do you want your individual child’s classroom to be clean? Do you step up at PTO/HSA mtgs to say you aren’t sending in cleaning supplies until they implement your system?

Then the principal needs to be accountable to the parents for that choice. This thread makes me want to put in a FOIA request for how much FCPS budgets for cleaning supplies every year for parents to still be expected to keep paying for them.

Well, you should. At least you would be doing SOMEthing other than whining on the internet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The teacher who refuses to purchase supplies a few pages back has it right. You don't bring in supplies, you don't have supplies at all. That's it. None of this pooling supplies nonsense. If I'm paying $15 for trbfjdndnrid pencils, then my kids should be the ones using them.

So a 10 year old, whose parents either don’t have funds or aren’t with it enough to purchase correct supplies, just sits there? Do you think any teacher will allow a kid to just sit there because their parents didn’t send a notebook and pencil?

Apparently some do. It's entirely appropriate. Reminder emails and notes home are all that should be required of teachers. Teachers are not parents. This is the parents' responsibility.

Right- so when a parent doesn’t answer you or send in supplies, you just let the kid sit there and struggle? It’s not their fault. If I did that as a teacher, and an admin observed me allowing a student to sit there without proper supplies, they’d surely be upset with me. Counselors have extra supplies & teachers usually purchase extra supplies as well. Not every teacher collects “communal supplies”. I stopped doing that during Covid times and never returned to it.

Would an administrator instruct you to purchase supplies for the child?