When is the plan for new HS programs coming out?

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Anonymous wrote:so the regions would let kids just lottery into other schools that have space? That seems...idk...opposed to the idea of neighborhood schools.

Slides were up so briefly but I think it's based on program interest and student qualifications, as opposed to "I'd just rather go to Whitman," etc.

so it'll be like CES where there are far more qualified students than spaces, and then there's a lottery?

this is all so gross.

Why would you assume that? There's presumably going to be 3 to 6 times as many spots open for the new regional programs as there are now for the current whole or half-county programs. And who said anything about changing the application based programs to lottery based?

why would i assume...what? that it's a lottery? because CES is a lottery after the 'application'. that's why I would assume that. also because we have no info otherwise.

The HS magnets are not lotteries.

but the consortiums are

And the consortiums are apparently ending, so how is that relevant?

You don’t know that. We may have 6 consortiums now.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

So you are forced to take IB classes if your school gets chosen for IB program?

Achooos with IB will have some but not all APs. The same as it is now.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:so the regions would let kids just lottery into other schools that have space? That seems...idk...opposed to the idea of neighborhood schools.

Slides were up so briefly but I think it's based on program interest and student qualifications, as opposed to "I'd just rather go to Whitman," etc.

so it'll be like CES where there are far more qualified students than spaces, and then there's a lottery?

this is all so gross.

Why would you assume that? There's presumably going to be 3 to 6 times as many spots open for the new regional programs as there are now for the current whole or half-county programs. And who said anything about changing the application based programs to lottery based?

why would i assume...what? that it's a lottery? because CES is a lottery after the 'application'. that's why I would assume that. also because we have no info otherwise.

The HS magnets are not lotteries.

but the consortiums are

And the consortiums are apparently ending, so how is that relevant?

because these new regional programs may be run like the consortiums. We have no info either way.

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We could have 6 consortiums now. They have not been clear

If they were going to simply expand the number of consortiums, they would have just said that. This is a whole different model.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

We've talked to our school many times about it for next year. I highly doubt it. They push everyone to MC. Its up to the principal what the schools offer.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They may be looking at the schools grouped together.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

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The whole point of the regions is not to have schools repeat programs available at other schools in the region. They won’t have 2 IB programs because they can consolidate everyone into 1 and offer bussing. Then the school that drops the IB program will be able to offer a different program to the region. That maximizes the number of specialty programs that students in a region have access to.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

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Anonymous wrote:so the regions would let kids just lottery into other schools that have space? That seems...idk...opposed to the idea of neighborhood schools.

Slides were up so briefly but I think it's based on program interest and student qualifications, as opposed to "I'd just rather go to Whitman," etc.

so it'll be like CES where there are far more qualified students than spaces, and then there's a lottery?

this is all so gross.

Why would you assume that? There's presumably going to be 3 to 6 times as many spots open for the new regional programs as there are now for the current whole or half-county programs. And who said anything about changing the application based programs to lottery based?

why would i assume...what? that it's a lottery? because CES is a lottery after the 'application'. that's why I would assume that. also because we have no info otherwise.

The HS magnets are not lotteries.

but the consortiums are

And the consortiums are apparently ending, so how is that relevant?

because these new regional programs may be run like the consortiums. We have no info either way.

+1

We could have 6 consortiums now. They have not been clear

If they were going to simply expand the number of consortiums, they would have just said that. This is a whole different model.

You presume MCPS had a clear plan going in, that MCPS makes decisions efficiently, and/or that MCPS is good at communicating its plans when it has them in place. In my experience, none of these assumptions is justified.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.

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Anonymous wrote:Focusing on the positive, it's possible that the SMCS program might still maintain its criteria-based admission process.



The true value of these programs as they exist today is the strength of the cohort, which would not be the case if it were watered down.

You keep repeating this and clearly don’t understand that having more programs is not the same as watering down a program. You seem very overly concerned with no real reason.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

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Anonymous wrote:ETA: and the Blair and RM parents who are complaining about the quality of the program declining if it becomes regional are horrible snobs. Your gifted kid can learn with other gifted local kids! They don’t have to be with only gifted kids from all around the whole county! Give me a break. So snobby!

Is MOP snobby?

The quality of the program would definitely decline if, instead of taking top 100 kids it took the top 1000. It’s already a very tough, challenging program that only the top third or so truly excel in. Expanding without reducing the standards will just set some kids up for failure or more likely dilute the program.

You're assuming that the 100 kids in the program are the top and would forever be. You are also assume there is not another 900 kids who could/would succeed in such program if the seats and program structure were available.

DP - yes. I don't really understand the elitist attitude at all. My children are younger, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but I always hear that MCPS is great if you can take full advantage of the magnets. But then that's a major caveat, because middle school magnets are lottery based and high school magnets are very, very selective. We should be serving more qualified children.

For the parents who are endorsing the Blair magnet and the RM IB program (for example) as they are, is it because your kids already got in? Or are you really not worried about your younger children making the cut? I am a little baffled.

Maybe they need to build more magnets but not restrict by regions. So a magnet won’t be just selecting students from 5 high schools. That certainly dilutes the magnet program cohorts.

There are plenty of students in each region to support programs. The deck even showed this.

What did the deck show about this? -DP

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about this region, here are the programs I know about.

BCC - IB, PLTW
Blair - SMACS, CAP
Einstein - IB
Northwood
Whitman - Social Justice

Are there any other programs I am missing? Does Northwood have a program?

If not - my guess is that Einstein loses IB, BCC loses PLTW, and Blair loses CAP. Then PLTW and CAP move to Northwood/Einstein.

Northwood has MC2, ROTC. Einstein has the VAC program (which is actually county-wide). Don't all schools have PLTW--isn't it just an online thing?

No PLTW is a series of engineering classes. It includes an exam that can provide college credit at certain schools. https://www.pltw.org/

So maybe B-CC keeps PLTW, Northwood keeps its programs, and Einstein takes CAP. I can’t imagine Einstein keeping its IB program.

Huh? Why not?

Because they will only have one in each cluster, and BCC’s is much stronger.

Does it say this somewhere, or you are assuming something?

That’s what they have said in the presentations to the Board so far.

But IB hasn't been mentioned in that way. It's been mentioned alongside AP as a type of advanced level classes that would be available at every school.

No IB will not be at every school. They are saying that if IB is available at a school, then the same AP class amy NOT be available. There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per reguon.

They have not said that at all. Please don't spread misinformation.

They have not said what?

They have definitely said that not all AP classes are available at school wuth IB. There is only so much demand. People who want all AP classes might do better to go to a non-IB school.

What they have not said: "There will be (at most) one IB diploma program per region."

They have never indicated that schools with a local IB program would lose those programs.

The programs analysis covers local, regional, and countywide programs.The programs will now all be regional. They don’t want two IB programs in a region. That’s inefficient, expensive, and unnecessary. And it also makes it difficult to offer IB programs in regions that don’t have one now, because it’s difficult to train teachers to provide high-quality IB classes. The teachers from schools that lose IB can then be shifted to schools that gain IB in other regions, presuming that they still want to teach IB.

This just illustrates what a bad job MCPS has done communicating about the programs analysis.

They definitely have done a poor job communicating about the program analysis. It would help if they stopped tying together updates for it and the boundary study. They are two very separate topics that need each need in depth analysis and work. While there are some shared dependencies they operate separately.

Further, the boundary study seems to be providing much deeper analysis, overview, and outreach.