DEI RIFs

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All the angry Whites bitter about being passed over. Would you rather have been Black the last 60 years?
Though so.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

Why all this racial and anti Christian animosity?

Observing the fact that white Christians have had privileged opportunities (whether they deserved it or not) is not animosity. It is a fact. NP.

Educate yourself on Irish, Italians, and Polish Catholic immigrants, please.

My grandparents are Irish and Italian immigrants who worked in factories when they came over to the states. I'm quite educated. Thanks.

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My office just sent a notice to all employees.
We have an EEO but not DEI. Hoping they don’t lump EEO into it.

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We just got the canned version of the email. Our DEI equivalent office was almost invisible and maybe had three people, so the impact is minor.

As someone else stated upthread, I do hope that there is consideration given to moving these people around since the one person I know was in that office was just a regular employee doing normal duties and took on that role because they had an affinity for it. It isn’t like they were cranked out of a DEI academy.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

Why all this racial and anti Christian animosity?

Observing the fact that white Christians have had privileged opportunities (whether they deserved it or not) is not animosity. It is a fact. NP.

This has nothing to do with the DEI RIF, or whatever its category. I’m not a white Christian. I don’t believe that my interests were supported by the DEI office and corresponding trainings. I don’t feel harmed by its removal. I do feel for the people who might lose their jobs, though. It’s a tough job economy.

How so? Exactly, how so? I'm white. Did not bother me either way to hear that my agency was reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. Or to hear that there may be systemic biases in employment decisions. I didn't think of it once. It didn't affect me.

I never heard of any reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. I also never experienced any bias as a federal employee who is female and a minority. As to systemic bias? I have no experience.

But, that’s neither here nor there because my personal experience doesn’t matter. What matters is whether these positions were effective in a way that did not impose its own racism. Whether biases for or against were reduced. Because that’s the point. “Under-represented” is not the point. We don’t control who applies to any given position.

The job duties that I observed the offices undertaking, no offense to them, amounted largely to webinars.

So there was no affect to you. And you post is clear on one point: you have absolutely no idea what these programs are. You references to hiring, for example, is outside DEI. "Imposing racism" is also outside it. And if you think it did, again, you can file a complaint with your EEO office.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office has pretty much ONLY hired females of very specific races over the last 3 years. Like it is a grossly outsized amount compared to their percent in the population. Impossible that they are the best candidates. They've promoted ZERO Asians into higher level management, which is again impossible to claim they're not qualified given that Asians have the most education out of any racial group. It is entirely DEI at work. They need racial quotas rather than hiring the best.

If they had racial quotas, wouldn’t that include Asians in management?

You'd have thought. But the left considers Asians to be "white adjacent" and that they're not URMs. I mean it is truly noticeable how badly underrepresented Asians are in management positions in our office, especially considering how many we have with insane pedigrees and years of experience doing the work. Asians just don't have the right skin tone to be promoted.

You are so close to understanding why DEI initiatives are important. It’s kind of hilarious.

Except DEI as implemented specifically excludes certain groups such as Asians

No it doesn’t. There is no such policy in government.

“as implemented”

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Anonymous wrote:Chime in if you report your office for refusing to comply with the directive to take down DEIA junk. Curious to see how many do not comply.

Heil Comrade! Shall I report on my own parents' snide remarks about this administration too? Will that earn me a medal, and then get me thrown into a gulag for being related to them?

It's so sad that our country falls down this hole so easily.

This is exactly what it feels like. Nazi Germany or a communist state.

Fun fact: When the Nazis started mistreating Jews in the early 1930s, many Germans didn’t know the extent of it until it was reported in the foreign press. The Nazis responded by claiming Jews were lying to weaken Germany’s international standing and used that as justification to abuse them more publicly.

It’s eerily similar to what we’re seeing now. People worked to shed light on discrimination, then their work is misrepresented as the very thing they fought against, all to justify rolling back longstanding antidiscrimination policies. Trump literally revoked an employment discrimination EO that has been in place since 1965. And we have people in this thread claiming that black people are presumptively unqualified for any job for which they’ve been hired and are only employed because of DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

Let's just be clear, no federal manager has ever uttered those words (verbatim or otherwise) to a federal job candidate. Because if they were uttered, the person the words were uttered to would get an equivalent position bc those words were uttered. It would be grounds for an EEO complaint. That said, many jobs have gone to diversity hires and they happen to be the "best qualified for the job" *wink wink* ... that's how it works!

Untrue. I know an SES 2 who put it on his evals.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

Let's just be clear, no federal manager has ever uttered those words (verbatim or otherwise) to a federal job candidate. Because if they were uttered, the person the words were uttered to would get an equivalent position bc those words were uttered. It would be grounds for an EEO complaint. That said, many jobs have gone to diversity hires and they happen to be the "best qualified for the job" *wink wink* ... that's how it works!

Untrue. I know an SES 2 who put it on his evals.

He put on his evals that he hired someone less qualified because they were “diverse”?

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

Let's just be clear, no federal manager has ever uttered those words (verbatim or otherwise) to a federal job candidate. Because if they were uttered, the person the words were uttered to would get an equivalent position bc those words were uttered. It would be grounds for an EEO complaint. That said, many jobs have gone to diversity hires and they happen to be the "best qualified for the job" *wink wink* ... that's how it works!

Untrue. I know an SES 2 who put it on his evals.

He put on his evals that he hired someone less qualified because they were “diverse”?

If you are judged on the diversity of your hires, you are going to hire in a way that satisfies that element even if it means you aren't hiring the most talented

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

Let's just be clear, no federal manager has ever uttered those words (verbatim or otherwise) to a federal job candidate. Because if they were uttered, the person the words were uttered to would get an equivalent position bc those words were uttered. It would be grounds for an EEO complaint. That said, many jobs have gone to diversity hires and they happen to be the "best qualified for the job" *wink wink* ... that's how it works!

Untrue. I know an SES 2 who put it on his evals.

He put on his evals that he hired someone less qualified because they were “diverse”?

If you are judged on the diversity of your hires, you are going to hire in a way that satisfies that element even if it means you aren't hiring the most talented

The SES metric did not judge people based on the race, etc. of the people they hired.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

Why all this racial and anti Christian animosity?

Observing the fact that white Christians have had privileged opportunities (whether they deserved it or not) is not animosity. It is a fact. NP.

This has nothing to do with the DEI RIF, or whatever its category. I’m not a white Christian. I don’t believe that my interests were supported by the DEI office and corresponding trainings. I don’t feel harmed by its removal. I do feel for the people who might lose their jobs, though. It’s a tough job economy.

How so? Exactly, how so? I'm white. Did not bother me either way to hear that my agency was reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. Or to hear that there may be systemic biases in employment decisions. I didn't think of it once. It didn't affect me.

I never heard of any reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. I also never experienced any bias as a federal employee who is female and a minority. As to systemic bias? I have no experience.

But, that’s neither here nor there because my personal experience doesn’t matter. What matters is whether these positions were effective in a way that did not impose its own racism. Whether biases for or against were reduced. Because that’s the point. “Under-represented” is not the point. We don’t control who applies to any given position.

The job duties that I observed the offices undertaking, no offense to them, amounted largely to webinars.

So there was no affect to you. And you post is clear on one point: you have absolutely no idea what these programs are. You references to hiring, for example, is outside DEI. "Imposing racism" is also outside it. And if you think it did, again, you can file a complaint with your EEO office.

The point is that these offices didn’t have an effect on anyone. They were not effective.

My observation of what they are over the past years is a provider of virtual brown bag lunch speakers on topics not exactly relevant.

These functions, whatever they are, can be incorporated into EEO or HR. There isn’t enough substance to merit several FTEs.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

It is ironic that you spend your entire post defending diversity by slamming Christians, an entire race, and half the genders in this country.

+1. And this is the thought process that resulted in so many people resenting DEI initiatives. It’s okay to discriminate as long as we’re discriminating against someone who is white, male, straight, Christian. Now I’m afraid we have taken a huge step back wrt race relations. It’s a shame that DEI went so far that it’s brought us to where we are now.

Absolutely. DEI created more racists than there would have otherwise been.

With all due respect, you have no idea how DEI works. There was no discrimination as that is not the point of those offices. And, lbh, America has been chock full of racists since it was settled. So spare me that last sentence.

I know of many instances of discrimination that has occurred in the workplace due to DEI, including several people who have actually been told they were passed over for a job or promotion because they had to give it to the diverse candidate.

Let's just be clear, no federal manager has ever uttered those words (verbatim or otherwise) to a federal job candidate. Because if they were uttered, the person the words were uttered to would get an equivalent position bc those words were uttered. It would be grounds for an EEO complaint. That said, many jobs have gone to diversity hires and they happen to be the "best qualified for the job" *wink wink* ... that's how it works!

Untrue. I know an SES 2 who put it on his evals.

He put on his evals that he hired someone less qualified because they were “diverse”?

If you are judged on the diversity of your hires, you are going to hire in a way that satisfies that element even if it means you aren't hiring the most talented

NP. I've personally been in meetings with supervisors straight up telling staff they won't be promoted if their contribution to DEI is deemed inadequate. I disagree with that whole idea and I'm glad it will no longer be considered.

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Anonymous wrote:We just got the canned version of the email. Our DEI equivalent office was almost invisible and maybe had three people, so the impact is minor.

As someone else stated upthread, I do hope that there is consideration given to moving these people around since the one person I know was in that office was just a regular employee doing normal duties and took on that role because they had an affinity for it. It isn’t like they were cranked out of a DEI academy.

That's the part that worries me. Will normal RIF protocols be followed? If not, won't this get bogged down in lawsuits?

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Anonymous wrote:Our office has pretty much ONLY hired females of very specific races over the last 3 years. Like it is a grossly outsized amount compared to their percent in the population. Impossible that they are the best candidates. They've promoted ZERO Asians into higher level management, which is again impossible to claim they're not qualified given that Asians have the most education out of any racial group. It is entirely DEI at work. They need racial quotas rather than hiring the best.

If they had racial quotas, wouldn’t that include Asians in management?

You'd have thought. But the left considers Asians to be "white adjacent" and that they're not URMs. I mean it is truly noticeable how badly underrepresented Asians are in management positions in our office, especially considering how many we have with insane pedigrees and years of experience doing the work. Asians just don't have the right skin tone to be promoted.

You are so close to understanding why DEI initiatives are important. It’s kind of hilarious.

You are so close to understanding the frustration with DEI programs. They aren’t working and are wasting resources rather than addressing the reasons they were put forward