If your high-scorer didn't get in anywhere: where are they now?

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Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.
The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

It chases high SAT with NMF…so do Emory and Vanderbilt. Marketing ploy. My own NMF kid was not interested.

I would assume most schools want high stat kids.

Missing the point.

What point

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mine is at Wisconsin, which was a safety. He has said a couple of times that if he had known this was where he was going, he would have had a little more fun in high school and wouldn't have killed himself taking such hard classes. In the end, no one understood what happened -- other than the two rounds of ED didn't work out and then he was stuck in the seventh circle of waitlist hell until early July. He got into one or two schools that might be considered better than Wisconsin but there are more opportunities in his major in Madison. I wish the process hadn't sucked so much and I wish he had been more proud of how it turned out but at the end of the day it doesn't really matter and he is happy.

I grew up in Michigan & Massachusetts, but I think Wisconsin has to be the ultimate “nobody has to apologize for ending up there” school. Clark U kind of fills that role among LACs (I’m aware Clark isn’t technically an LAC). Would be interested in what colleges other people think are like that. Lehigh? U Texas?

There is no comparison for out of state selectivity between Wisconsin and Texas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.
The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

Disagree - it's not a safety for anyone.
Disagree - Northeastern looks for fit, in other words, students who are happy to attend and stay.
It's evidenced in the retention rate - https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Agree - they mostly like high stat kids.
Strongly agree - "The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery".

Retention rates are like graduation rates. It's high for everyone.
Northeastern is absolutely a safety for anyone with good stats.
A safety school is a school where your chances of admission are higher than 60 or 70%
High statted kids have a really high acceptance rate. It is absolutely a safety for a kid with a 1520 SAT and an unweighted 3.6 or higher.

If your argument for why a school is good revolves around freshman retention rates, your school isn't that good.
Northeastern is need aware in admissions.
The majority of the students are not submitting test scores.
That means you are probably talking about a lot of rich kids with low test scores that can afford to pay full freight and a lot of well testing poor kids that cannot.

This is how colleges crawl up the ranks. They provide a good deal for smart poor kids and let in less smart rich kids.
Heck Harvard does the exact same thing.

- Retention rate and graduation rate are not high for everyone.
- 60-70% expected success rate is not a safety. If you choose a path and you get 40%-30% chance of death, does it sound like safe? Sounds very scary. Safety is 98-99% chance and you have 1-2% WTF surprise factor.

- Retention rate was referenced in relation to selecting students with good fit.
If a school choose bunch of students with bad fit, they will leave resulting in low retention.

- Test scores didn't change much compared to pre-covid when it was mandatory.

- A good is measured with combination of many major metrics such as retention rate, graduation rate, cohort quality, outcomes, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Maryland.

Maybe it's just me (unlikely), but I'd very much consider UMCP "somewhere".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.

The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

It chases high SAT with NMF…so do Emory and Vanderbilt. Marketing ploy. My own NMF kid was not interested.

Pretty much all the school in that tier do this. Schools like USC and NYU were doing this to crawl up the prestige hierachy

Mmm, not sure I'd put USC up there with those other three.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland.

Maybe it's just me (unlikely), but I'd very much consider UMCP "somewhere".

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.

The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

It chases high SAT with NMF…so do Emory and Vanderbilt. Marketing ploy. My own NMF kid was not interested.

Pretty much all the school in that tier do this. Schools like USC and NYU were doing this to crawl up the prestige hierachy

Mmm, not sure I'd put USC up there with those other three.

I think for super high stats students, UMD would be "settling", although for CS, it is top 20 or t10 depending on what ranking you look at.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they really were top scorers with no red flags, its very unlikely they'll end up at a safety. Well, that is if they applied to more top schools other than HYSPM. Most would get into at least one T25.

Well some people think a Target is a school with a 15% acceptance rate because their kid is "high stats". So with that mentality, yes you can easily get rejected at your reaches and targets. (Hint those are not targets)

They prob are targets but will fill most of their class in the ED rounds, and might feel you are using them as a backup.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they really were top scorers with no red flags, its very unlikely they'll end up at a safety. Well, that is if they applied to more top schools other than HYSPM. Most would get into at least one T25.

Not true. I know NMFs with no ECs who ended up at #150, #200, #120 schools.

Well if you have NO ECs at all (and also no job---because colleges consider jobs an EC), then yes you are not likely to get into a T100 school. Without a reasons for lack of ECs, they will think you are lazy and unmotivated, so why do they want you to attend?

I don't think teenagers should be expected to have many or any ECs or jobs. I had zero and got into an Ivy on a substantial scholarship 25 years ago! I was a top student. That was it. That should be enough imo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We literally never signed up for a tour or brochure or any kind of information from
Northeastern and to this day, like literally today, we got like the twentieth email from them that there is STILL time to apply for free. They are shameless.

So true . Just trying to get a lower acceptance rate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If they really were top scorers with no red flags, its very unlikely they'll end up at a safety. Well, that is if they applied to more top schools other than HYSPM. Most would get into at least one T25.

Not true. I know NMFs with no ECs who ended up at #150, #200, #120 schools.

Well if you have NO ECs at all (and also no job---because colleges consider jobs an EC), then yes you are not likely to get into a T100 school. Without a reasons for lack of ECs, they will think you are lazy and unmotivated, so why do they want you to attend?

I don't think teenagers should be expected to have many or any ECs or jobs. I had zero and got into an Ivy on a substantial scholarship 25 years ago! I was a top student. That was it. That should be enough imo.

Every student is a top student today and there aren’t enough spots to award every top student a desk at an Ivy. You’re going to have to get your head out of your a** if you want your kid to compete. I mean this in the kindest way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.
The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

Disagree - it's not a safety for anyone.
Disagree - Northeastern looks for fit, in other words, students who are happy to attend and stay.
It's evidenced in the retention rate - https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Agree - they mostly like high stat kids.
Strongly agree - "The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery".

Retention rates are like graduation rates. It's high for everyone.
Northeastern is absolutely a safety for anyone with good stats.
A safety school is a school where your chances of admission are higher than 60 or 70%
High statted kids have a really high acceptance rate. It is absolutely a safety for a kid with a 1520 SAT and an unweighted 3.6 or higher.

If your argument for why a school is good revolves around freshman retention rates, your school isn't that good.
Northeastern is need aware in admissions.
The majority of the students are not submitting test scores.
That means you are probably talking about a lot of rich kids with low test scores that can afford to pay full freight and a lot of well testing poor kids that cannot.

This is how colleges crawl up the ranks. They provide a good deal for smart poor kids and let in less smart rich kids.
Heck Harvard does the exact same thing.

- Retention rate and graduation rate are not high for everyone.
- 60-70% expected success rate is not a safety. If you choose a path and you get 40%-30% chance of death, does it sound like safe? Sounds very scary. Safety is 98-99% chance and you have 1-2% WTF surprise factor.

- Retention rate was referenced in relation to selecting students with good fit.
If a school choose bunch of students with bad fit, they will leave resulting in low retention.

- Test scores didn't change much compared to pre-covid when it was mandatory.

- A good is measured with combination of many major metrics such as retention rate, graduation rate, cohort quality, outcomes, etc.

Yes! People don't seem to understand that this is what is meant by a safety!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.
The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

Disagree - it's not a safety for anyone.
Disagree - Northeastern looks for fit, in other words, students who are happy to attend and stay.
It's evidenced in the retention rate - https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Agree - they mostly like high stat kids.
Strongly agree - "The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery".

Retention rates are like graduation rates. It's high for everyone.
Northeastern is absolutely a safety for anyone with good stats.
A safety school is a school where your chances of admission are higher than 60 or 70%
High statted kids have a really high acceptance rate. It is absolutely a safety for a kid with a 1520 SAT and an unweighted 3.6 or higher.

If your argument for why a school is good revolves around freshman retention rates, your school isn't that good.
Northeastern is need aware in admissions.
The majority of the students are not submitting test scores.
That means you are probably talking about a lot of rich kids with low test scores that can afford to pay full freight and a lot of well testing poor kids that cannot.

This is how colleges crawl up the ranks. They provide a good deal for smart poor kids and let in less smart rich kids.
Heck Harvard does the exact same thing.

- Retention rate and graduation rate are not high for everyone.
- 60-70% expected success rate is not a safety. If you choose a path and you get 40%-30% chance of death, does it sound like safe? Sounds very scary. Safety is 98-99% chance and you have 1-2% WTF surprise factor.

- Retention rate was referenced in relation to selecting students with good fit.
If a school choose bunch of students with bad fit, they will leave resulting in low retention.

- Test scores didn't change much compared to pre-covid when it was mandatory.

- A good is measured with combination of many major metrics such as retention rate, graduation rate, cohort quality, outcomes, etc.

Yes! People don't seem to understand that this is what is meant by a safety!

"safety" depends on your stats.

[Anonymous]

Since they didn't get in ANYWHERE... they are at CC and working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1540 SAT. Applied EA and attending Northeastern.

BTW, CS and Design combined major. DC is intelligent and artistic.
The school was a great fit, and Northeastern excels at selecting students who are a good fit, resulting in a high retention rate.

Ummm.
Northeastern chases SAT scores like it's crack.
It's not looking for fit, it's trying to elevate its prestige through higher average SAT scores.
It is a good safety school for a well statted out kid.
Only about a third of Northeastern admits submit an SAT score.
Another 1/9th submitted an ACT score.
The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery.

Disagree - it's not a safety for anyone.
Disagree - Northeastern looks for fit, in other words, students who are happy to attend and stay.
It's evidenced in the retention rate - https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/freshmen-least-most-likely-return

Agree - they mostly like high stat kids.
Strongly agree - "The upside is that you are going to be going to school with other driven talented students that lost the admissions lottery".

Retention rates are like graduation rates. It's high for everyone.
Northeastern is absolutely a safety for anyone with good stats.
A safety school is a school where your chances of admission are higher than 60 or 70%
High statted kids have a really high acceptance rate. It is absolutely a safety for a kid with a 1520 SAT and an unweighted 3.6 or higher.

If your argument for why a school is good revolves around freshman retention rates, your school isn't that good.
Northeastern is need aware in admissions.
The majority of the students are not submitting test scores.
That means you are probably talking about a lot of rich kids with low test scores that can afford to pay full freight and a lot of well testing poor kids that cannot.

This is how colleges crawl up the ranks. They provide a good deal for smart poor kids and let in less smart rich kids.
Heck Harvard does the exact same thing.

- Retention rate and graduation rate are not high for everyone.
- 60-70% expected success rate is not a safety. If you choose a path and you get 40%-30% chance of death, does it sound like safe? Sounds very scary. Safety is 98-99% chance and you have 1-2% WTF surprise factor.

- Retention rate was referenced in relation to selecting students with good fit.
If a school choose bunch of students with bad fit, they will leave resulting in low retention.

- Test scores didn't change much compared to pre-covid when it was mandatory.

- A good is measured with combination of many major metrics such as retention rate, graduation rate, cohort quality, outcomes, etc.

Yes! People don't seem to understand that this is what is meant by a safety!

"safety" depends on your stats.

Of course it's different from individuals to individual, however what we were saying is 60-70% chance is not a safety.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since they didn't get in ANYWHERE... they are at CC and working.

Do they like CC?