Copa Rayados Aug 24 - schedule?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

1 -- Tournaments not expensive as PPs have pointed out. Reasonable prices

2 -- The flake factor is real without a tournament. Even for top teams. People think they can just cancel.

3 -- There is a scrimmage feel for players and there is a game feel. Pros and kids. Tournaments give you more of a game feel which is what a coach wants to see at this point in time.

4 -- In this area people go on vacation in the summer. A lot. Parents more likely to go with kids if a scrimmage rather than a Showcase or tournament. You have to manage your people.

5 -- More fun for kids to play in a tournament which is fun rather than a scrimmage which is more like practice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

It's never free. Someone has to pay for the fields and refs.

Sure, but I don’t have to drive one hour there and one hour back, on toll roads for the same game that can be played much closer for EVERYONE involved. Plus the refs were super bad.

Well, you could say the same thing about every league game and tournament. Why travel all the way to North Carolina to play league games when there are so many teams closer in VA and MD? Why travel all the way to the bahamas for a beach when you could just drive to the ocean in 3 hours? This is just how youth sports work in 2024. Clearly there are enough parents (including you) willing to do these things for it to continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

Tournament fees are very little. It costs $150 a game just to have referees. After that you are paying a little but get nice fields, organization, and a more “real game” feel than a friendly on your practice field with coaches as referees.

Pay-to-play has you firmly in its grips.
You actually believe all you're saying.

You're a P2P hostage with Stockholm Syndrome

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

It's never free. Someone has to pay for the fields and refs.

Sure, but I don’t have to drive one hour there and one hour back, on toll roads for the same game that can be played much closer for EVERYONE involved. Plus the refs were super bad.

All of that can happen at a scrimmage too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

It's never free. Someone has to pay for the fields and refs.

Sure, but I don’t have to drive one hour there and one hour back, on toll roads for the same game that can be played much closer for EVERYONE involved. Plus the refs were super bad.

All of that can happen at a scrimmage too.

I know, that’s exactly what I said but I don’t need so spend 2 hours and tolls to do it. Just went right over your head. Right over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

1 -- Tournaments not expensive as PPs have pointed out. Reasonable prices

2 -- The flake factor is real without a tournament. Even for top teams. People think they can just cancel.

3 -- There is a scrimmage feel for players and there is a game feel. Pros and kids. Tournaments give you more of a game feel which is what a coach wants to see at this point in time.

4 -- In this area people go on vacation in the summer. A lot. Parents more likely to go with kids if a scrimmage rather than a Showcase or tournament. You have to manage your people.

5 -- More fun for kids to play in a tournament which is fun rather than a scrimmage which is more like practice.

Tournament organizer has entered the chat.

[Anonymous]

People from true football cultures and folks from soccer cultures will never see eye to eye on this one.

True football cultures grew up on scrimmages with any team decent around. Especially if your team had a training pitch big enough.

Why do you need a fancy facility and paid referees to play a game to work on tactics and development?

[Anonymous]

Multiple teams within a short drive of each other are training at the same times in the evenings on fields that can host preseason scrimmages

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

1 -- Tournaments not expensive as PPs have pointed out. Reasonable prices

2 -- The flake factor is real without a tournament. Even for top teams. People think they can just cancel.

3 -- There is a scrimmage feel for players and there is a game feel. Pros and kids. Tournaments give you more of a game feel which is what a coach wants to see at this point in time.

4 -- In this area people go on vacation in the summer. A lot. Parents more likely to go with kids if a scrimmage rather than a Showcase or tournament. You have to manage your people.

5 -- More fun for kids to play in a tournament which is fun rather than a scrimmage which is more like practice.

Tournament organizer has entered the chat.

Typical lazy thinking. The fact that people have incentives to make an argument does not undermine the argument, just as the fact that you don't want to spend your time and money make your argument wrong. Do better please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Paid to get it on paper rather than an unknown friendly I guess. Makes no sense to me either, I wonder if these pre-season tournaments/friendlies whatever you want to call it were a thing years ago, or if this is just another thing clubs decided to add to generate revenue.

For the older ages, these friendlies give the coach or a new coach time to try new formations, new players, different positions before it matters - ECNL/GA league play. Players begin to develop chemistry as a team. Players are competing for minutes on the field, starting positions at these friendlies and scrims. It sets the expectations for the next month or more before showcases. These are not a waste of time of the recruiting age teams.

Maybe your kids are too young for these matter, but for older ages, these games are just as important as league matches. But if you are already complaining about driving an hour or wasted time or money to clubs, playing in ECNL will not bode well for you as the kids get older.
Jump out now and enjoy the game before ECNL ruins it for you.

You missed the point. Local teams can coordinate friendlies with other local teams for free without having to pay for expensive tournaments.

1 -- Tournaments not expensive as PPs have pointed out. Reasonable prices

2 -- The flake factor is real without a tournament. Even for top teams. People think they can just cancel.

3 -- There is a scrimmage feel for players and there is a game feel. Pros and kids. Tournaments give you more of a game feel which is what a coach wants to see at this point in time.

4 -- In this area people go on vacation in the summer. A lot. Parents more likely to go with kids if a scrimmage rather than a Showcase or tournament. You have to manage your people.

5 -- More fun for kids to play in a tournament which is fun rather than a scrimmage which is more like practice.

Tournament organizer has entered the chat.

Nope parent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People from true football cultures and folks from soccer cultures will never see eye to eye on this one.

True football cultures grew up on scrimmages with any team decent around. Especially if your team had a training pitch big enough.

Why do you need a fancy facility and paid referees to play a game to work on tactics and development?

I want nothing to do with "true football cultures.' Nothing. Kids play soccer. Not football. Keep your game away from mine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People from true football cultures and folks from soccer cultures will never see eye to eye on this one.

True football cultures grew up on scrimmages with any team decent around. Especially if your team had a training pitch big enough.

Why do you need a fancy facility and paid referees to play a game to work on tactics and development?

I can't wait for our culture to beat your culture!

[Anonymous]

I can appreciate the comments about developing soccer/football culture in the U.S.

The reality is many families do not have the luxury of time to wait around for that in helping their kids develop. So they work with what we have which is a pay to play and develop system. This will not change so long as college soccer (at all levels) continue to be a uniquely American option for many kids and the primary goal for those who continue to play club soccer.

Sure, reality will hit when more colleges take intl students but I would not be surprised if lobbying curtails those schools ability to do this.

[Anonymous]

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5 -- More fun for kids to play in a tournament which is fun rather than a scrimmage which is more like practice.

Everyone playing different number of games, no tournament winner. Not a tournament at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People from true football cultures and folks from soccer cultures will never see eye to eye on this one.

True football cultures grew up on scrimmages with any team decent around. Especially if your team had a training pitch big enough.

Why do you need a fancy facility and paid referees to play a game to work on tactics and development?

I can't wait for our culture to beat your culture!

Ignorance at its highest 🙄

People in Europe and rest of the world talk about the US having their own basketball culture. It's just a reality.

Yes, there are differences outside your zip code 🤣