Why are DCUM parents less inclined to have their child major in business?

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Anonymous wrote:Which schools have non competitive undergrad business school admissions?! (Relative to their overall admissions/ranking.) Please share! My son's top two choices are Wisconsin and Indiana and we feel confident(ish) about his chances of getting into the universities as a whole, but getting into the business programs is a whole different ball game that is very competitive and requires higher stats than the university in general!

Have you considered a non flagship program?

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Think about the jobs here: law, government, international relations, journalism, economics, tech — not a business major to be found. Maybe NYers are more likely to push their kids into finance.

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Anonymous wrote:Many good schools don’t even have undergrad business degrees.

That is true, although I would say some. However, if anything, the trend is for those schools to add business specialties. MIT added undergraduate business specialties in only 2016, and Cornell I think it was maybe around 2010. Heck, even Brown now offers a finance major.

Just looking at USNews Top 20, there are now 10 with either an undergraduate business school (Wharton, Haas, Notre Dame, etc.) or allow you to major in something like Finance.

The issue isn’t that business is a bad major. The issue is that fixating on what’s hot today without looking at what the kid wants or can do is foolish. Past performance of majors is no guarantee of future results, especially for kids who hate what they’re studying or lack the aptitude for their majors.

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

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Anonymous wrote:Think about the jobs here: law, government, international relations, journalism, economics, tech — not a business major to be found. Maybe NYers are more likely to push their kids into finance.

Well, Capital One is one of the largest companies in the DMV…and DC is the heart of publicly traded BDCs as well as the HQ for Marriott, Hilton, Choice, Boeing and the US HQ fir Nestle, VW and many other companies. Lots of jobs for business folk…way more than the dying journalism industry.

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

It’s actually 95%+ of all kids and families going to college. Only kids attending the very top schools can claim to not think about it…but even then, they can see the ROI from many different degrees so they think about it as well.

You do realize that the most popular majors at LACs are actually STEM and Econ, right?

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Anonymous wrote:Many good schools don’t even have undergrad business degrees.

This. Think about that.

+1 But I imagine OP won't understand that because OP has magic data showing the majors of DCUM offspring.

Most of this post can be summed up as “smart people get good careers”
“Mediocre people do better in careers that net good outcomes”
“Dumb/passionless people should go to business specializations like Accounting or MIS.”

Excellent summary

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.

True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).

Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.

A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.
It's especially competitive to get into the business programs at top schools if they have business programs.
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, Emory, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley, NYU, USC, UVA, UNC, etc.

At many of these schools, you have to competitively apply to the program after you get accepted to the university.
Thus, if they are in a business school, they are smarter on the average.

I don't see your logic. Because you have to apply separately, the kids are smarter. I'd venture to guess the average Physics student is smarter than an honors english student, but the english student will have to apply separately to get into his/her honors program.

Don't you understand 'on the average'??
On the average, students at MIT are smarter than students at UAlabama.
O the average, students in business programs are smarter than English major students.

Yes, I'm saying just slapping that to anything can be false.
On the average anthropology majors are smarter than sociology majors. Proof? none, but the anthropology major at X and Y school has to be applied to.
On the average, you have massively idiotic takes-just, on the average though.

Are you pretending to be dumb?
It's a common sense and simple logic.
It's competitive admission.
Smarter students get in and less smart ones get rejected.

Let me guess, you’re an undergraduate business major? Just because it’s competitive admission doesn’t mean the kids are smarter. Not everyone applies. Only the kids who want to pursue undergrad business degrees. And most agree that the most academically smart kids are not interested in undergrad business degrees.

Most academically smart kids go into STEM or Business.
Those programs are competitive and they are smarter on the average.

LOL, no.

At the four schools I have sent children to, the undergrad business program is most selective and high stats behind college of engineering.

That’s not typical. Usually Nursing, Engineering, and CS are the most selective colleges, along with highly specialized arts programs occasionally

No, not nursing. Not if we are talking about the smarts of the applicants not just the % acceptance rate. There is a reason the nursing education in the basic sciences, even at a TOP BSN like UVA , Michigan, do not take the same Bio and chem as the premeds and in fact the nursing versions can not be counted for premed or any science major in the school of arts&sciences. Stem courses in nursing are practical, watered down versions with only basic math. Getting admitted to nursing is easier based on scores and high school course rigor, than even the maligned undergrad business programs on this thread. % acceptance rate does not determine the quality and smarts of the applicant.

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

I do not think it is immigrants, it is first and second generation college families, immigrant or not. At least, that is what the correlation is in my community of white families, half who are first or 2nd gen college, the other half had great grandparents who went to college. the latter are much more likely to support any major, though they still push for the "big name" colleges in the northeast, with Smith and Vassar as the ideal backups if ivies do not work out.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.

True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).

Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.

A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.
It's especially competitive to get into the business programs at top schools if they have business programs.
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, Emory, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley, NYU, USC, UVA, UNC, etc.

At many of these schools, you have to competitively apply to the program after you get accepted to the university.
Thus, if they are in a business school, they are smarter on the average.

I don't see your logic. Because you have to apply separately, the kids are smarter. I'd venture to guess the average Physics student is smarter than an honors english student, but the english student will have to apply separately to get into his/her honors program.

Don't you understand 'on the average'??
On the average, students at MIT are smarter than students at UAlabama.
O the average, students in business programs are smarter than English major students.

Yes, I'm saying just slapping that to anything can be false.
On the average anthropology majors are smarter than sociology majors. Proof? none, but the anthropology major at X and Y school has to be applied to.
On the average, you have massively idiotic takes-just, on the average though.

Are you pretending to be dumb?
It's a common sense and simple logic.
It's competitive admission.
Smarter students get in and less smart ones get rejected.

Let me guess, you’re an undergraduate business major? Just because it’s competitive admission doesn’t mean the kids are smarter. Not everyone applies. Only the kids who want to pursue undergrad business degrees. And most agree that the most academically smart kids are not interested in undergrad business degrees.

Most academically smart kids go into STEM or Business.
Those programs are competitive and they are smarter on the average.

LOL, no.

At the four schools I have sent children to, the undergrad business program is most selective and high stats behind college of engineering.

That’s not typical. Usually Nursing, Engineering, and CS are the most selective colleges, along with highly specialized arts programs occasionally

No, not nursing. Not if we are talking about the smarts of the applicants not just the % acceptance rate. There is a reason the nursing education in the basic sciences, even at a TOP BSN like UVA , Michigan, do not take the same Bio and chem as the premeds and in fact the nursing versions can not be counted for premed or any science major in the school of arts&sciences. Stem courses in nursing are practical, watered down versions with only basic math. Getting admitted to nursing is easier based on scores and high school course rigor, than even the maligned undergrad business programs on this thread. % acceptance rate does not determine the quality and smarts of the applicant.

Nursing has abysmal acceptance rates for many colleges. It has a 2% acceptance rate at UT, for example.
And frankly, any watered down course for Nurses is still 10x harder than the idiots over in Ross or Mcintire.

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

It’s actually 95%+ of all kids and families going to college. Only kids attending the very top schools can claim to not think about it…but even then, they can see the ROI from many different degrees so they think about it as well.

You do realize that the most popular majors at LACs are actually STEM and Econ, right?

I think you mean "STEM" and "Econ." No LAC has a serious science, math or econ program.

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It's a trashy degree, like cosmetology or construction management. Business degrees don't get classy until the MBA level and only at top schools.

NYU MBA Class of '15.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a major for academically smart kids.

True, outside of the top undergrad business programs (Wharton, Mit, Cornell, and about 5 others) it is not where smart kids land. Look at the smartest kids from the top private high schools and top publics: Engineering, other stem, Liberal Arts (typically prelaw or prePhD goals, for the smartest).

Again not true at all.
If a university has a business program, it's usually higher demand and more competitive to get in.
Students are smarter on the average.

A student at IU Kelley may be smarter than the average IU student, but those students in IU Kelley are NOT on average the same level of smarts as students from the top rigor/most academic group of top private and top public high schools. Those kids do Stem, Engineering, Liberal Arts at top schools, and if they want business they go to the big names, Wharton et al.
OP asked why DCum looks down on it—that is why. And it is consistent with what the PP teacher said regarding their high school, and what the vast majority of UMC parents see in their circles.

I don't think you know what you are talking about.
It's especially competitive to get into the business programs at top schools if they have business programs.
UPenn, Cornell, Georgetown, Emory, Michigan, Notre Dame, Berkeley, NYU, USC, UVA, UNC, etc.

At many of these schools, you have to competitively apply to the program after you get accepted to the university.
Thus, if they are in a business school, they are smarter on the average.

I don't see your logic. Because you have to apply separately, the kids are smarter. I'd venture to guess the average Physics student is smarter than an honors english student, but the english student will have to apply separately to get into his/her honors program.

Don't you understand 'on the average'??
On the average, students at MIT are smarter than students at UAlabama.
O the average, students in business programs are smarter than English major students.

Yes, I'm saying just slapping that to anything can be false.
On the average anthropology majors are smarter than sociology majors. Proof? none, but the anthropology major at X and Y school has to be applied to.
On the average, you have massively idiotic takes-just, on the average though.

Are you pretending to be dumb?
It's a common sense and simple logic.
It's competitive admission.
Smarter students get in and less smart ones get rejected.

Let me guess, you’re an undergraduate business major? Just because it’s competitive admission doesn’t mean the kids are smarter. Not everyone applies. Only the kids who want to pursue undergrad business degrees. And most agree that the most academically smart kids are not interested in undergrad business degrees.

Most academically smart kids go into STEM or Business.
Those programs are competitive and they are smarter on the average.

LOL, no.

What then English? Communications? Psychology? Art history?
LOL

Some would say Econ is a pretty smart person major…philosophy…there’s quite a few with smart cookies.

Econ is a great major and sort of equivalent to business program.

However the fact is that if a scool has business program, it has the premium, more competitive to get in.

A lot of times students fall back to econ if they can't get into a business program.

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

No it's a common sense thing
Most people want something useful and valuable when paying $$$

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Anonymous wrote:Because many are highly educated and well-bred and don’t view college as a trade school.

+2 It is an immigrant thing to hyperfocus on ROI and STEM.

No it's a common sense thing
Most people want something useful and valuable when paying $$$

True. My 20 year old son already sees this. He is majoring in accounting ; he wants a comfortable life where he isn’t struggling financially. He has many interests and activities outside of the classroom and the topics that interest him , he reads online. Sometimes you can’t take all the interesting electives in college. You can still be well rounded even when being practical.