AAP Appeals Questions Thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:158 Nnat 152 Cogat iready 99% 97%. I spent a lot of time prep the appeal package. Still not in. So sad, not sure what to tell my kid. Hope is really bad, most sometimes.

This is unreasonable.

[Anonymous]

Help me understand why my child was not accepted into AAP on appeal.
NNAT: 138
CogAT: 128
IReady Math: 90th
WISC: 130 (GAO 137h
HOPE: was mostly sometimes except “leadership” which was rarely, and almost always for consistency performing above grade level.

The iReady reading is low, but child has mostly 4s through each quarter.

I think the HOPE is total BS since now it is just a check mark with no comments.

Helping me understand the reasoning for my child not being accepted can help me make sure they get the support they need and move on.

[Anonymous]

The CoGat and iReady Math are not particularly high. If iReady reading was even lower, then those scores plus the HOPE are your answer. How many areas on the HOPE were checked for advanced? That seemed to be a factor in the first round of responses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why my child was not accepted into AAP on appeal.
NNAT: 138
CogAT: 128
IReady Math: 90th
WISC: 130 (GAO 137h
HOPE: was mostly sometimes except “leadership” which was rarely, and almost always for consistency performing above grade level.

The iReady reading is low, but child has mostly 4s through each quarter.

I think the HOPE is total BS since now it is just a check mark with no comments.

Helping me understand the reasoning for my child not being accepted can help me make sure they get the support they need and move on.

The CoGAT is strong but not as high as others. In-pool across the county used to be 132, which was the 98th percentile. Your child is below that.
IReady in Math is 90th percentile, again strong but most of the kids in AAP are probably in the 95th or higher percentile.
IRaady in Reading is not reported but you said it is really low.

You child seems like they might be a borderline fit for Advanced Math but the CoGAT and iReadys are below what I would guess most of the students in AAP have. The Committee and Appeals group probably think that your child is served fine in Gen Ed, especially with a lower reading score.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CoGat and iReady Math are not particularly high. If iReady reading was even lower, then those scores plus the HOPE are your answer. How many areas on the HOPE were checked for advanced? That seemed to be a factor in the first round of responses.

I-Ready should not even be used in AAP admission. But this way, parents will feel it is an important and good test.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The CoGat and iReady Math are not particularly high. If iReady reading was even lower, then those scores plus the HOPE are your answer. How many areas on the HOPE were checked for advanced? That seemed to be a factor in the first round of responses.

I-Ready should not even be used in AAP admission. But this way, parents will feel it is an important and good test.

Even if you remove the iReady from the picture the stats don't change for the student in question. A 128 CoGat is good but not stellar and I don't know that a 130 WISC is going to move that needle much. The kid just isn't strong enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The CoGat and iReady Math are not particularly high. If iReady reading was even lower, then those scores plus the HOPE are your answer. How many areas on the HOPE were checked for advanced? That seemed to be a factor in the first round of responses.

I-Ready should not even be used in AAP admission. But this way, parents will feel it is an important and good test.

Somewhat disagree with this. Lower iready scores shouldn't be used to keep kids out of AAP if other scores are good, but sky high scores pretty strongly indicate that the kid needs access to higher grade level content. If iready thinks that the kid is above grade level (generally > 99th percentile), then the kid almost certainly has needs that cannot be met in the regular classroom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why my child was not accepted into AAP on appeal.
NNAT: 138
CogAT: 128
IReady Math: 90th
WISC: 130 (GAO 137h
HOPE: was mostly sometimes except “leadership” which was rarely, and almost always for consistency performing above grade level.

The iReady reading is low, but child has mostly 4s through each quarter.

I think the HOPE is total BS since now it is just a check mark with no comments.

Helping me understand the reasoning for my child not being accepted can help me make sure they get the support they need and move on.

What were the CogAT index scores? What were the WISC index scores? If CogAT V, WISC VCI, and iready reading were all a bit low, that's why your kid wasn't admitted. The committee probably thought that your kid would struggle with the AAP language arts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why my child was not accepted into AAP on appeal.
NNAT: 138
CogAT: 128
IReady Math: 90th
WISC: 130 (GAO 137h
HOPE: was mostly sometimes except “leadership” which was rarely, and almost always for consistency performing above grade level.

The iReady reading is low, but child has mostly 4s through each quarter.

I think the HOPE is total BS since now it is just a check mark with no comments.

Helping me understand the reasoning for my child not being accepted can help me make sure they get the support they need and move on.

Most probable answer: There are several students in genED with your DC's profile, so the committee thought that your DC's education would not be substantially impaired by being in genED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Help me understand why my child was not accepted into AAP on appeal.
NNAT: 138
CogAT: 128
IReady Math: 90th
WISC: 130 (GAO 137h
HOPE: was mostly sometimes except “leadership” which was rarely, and almost always for consistency performing above grade level.

The iReady reading is low, but child has mostly 4s through each quarter.

I think the HOPE is total BS since now it is just a check mark with no comments.

Helping me understand the reasoning for my child not being accepted can help me make sure they get the support they need and move on.

I was to.d the cut off at our school was 144 for COGAT, high SES school. The scores you provided don’t show a gifted child except for the WISC. I don’t think that is enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:158 Nnat 152 Cogat iready 99% 97%. I spent a lot of time prep the appeal package. Still not in. So sad, not sure what to tell my kid. Hope is really bad, most sometimes.

Same for my kid. Not sure if FCPS realizes they are treading on vet thin ice with these bogus evaluations.

I mean, what do you think is going to happen? Are the McLean parents pf above average children going to rise up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:158 Nnat 152 Cogat iready 99% 97%. I spent a lot of time prep the appeal package. Still not in. So sad, not sure what to tell my kid. Hope is really bad, most sometimes.

Same for my kid. Not sure if FCPS realizes they are treading on vet thin ice with these bogus evaluations.

I mean, what do you think is going to happen? Are the McLean parents pf above average children going to rise up?

Honestly, hopefully. I think it’s time they either go back to making it a truly gifted program where it is only the top 1-2% of students, or if they continue to make it roughly 20% of students, but not necessarily the top 20%, they need to make the selection process more equal and less up to random whims of who happens to read the file.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:158 Nnat 152 Cogat iready 99% 97%. I spent a lot of time prep the appeal package. Still not in. So sad, not sure what to tell my kid. Hope is really bad, most sometimes.

Same for my kid. Not sure if FCPS realizes they are treading on vet thin ice with these bogus evaluations.

I mean, what do you think is going to happen? Are the McLean parents pf above average children going to rise up?

Honestly, hopefully. I think it’s time they either go back to making it a truly gifted program where it is only the top 1-2% of students, or if they continue to make it roughly 20% of students, but not necessarily the top 20%, they need to make the selection process more equal and less up to random whims of who happens to read the file.

What does the bolded mean? Using a test score as a cut off? Even is some families have the means to prep and some don't? The schools are doing the best that they can, and taking a variety of factors into consideration. If there was a perfect system for running a gifted program that selects the "right" kids every time we'd have heard about it by now. AAP isn't the end all be all. Your kids will be more than fine.

[Anonymous]

AAP isn't a gifted program and that is part of the problem. With a gifted program you can set specific test scores and look for specific performance indicators. AAP is all over the place.

Maybe there should be one AAP class for every 4 classes in an ES. The top 25% of the kids are in that class. If your school has 6 classes, maybe there are 2 classes and the top 33% are in those classes. Use the CoGAT, iReady, grades and Teacher evaluations. Kids can be moved each year based on their performance. Remove the special application process and the special designation. Make it less about being identified as advanced andmore about performance n school. Make it more fluid so that kids who struggle can be moved out and kids who start to excel can be moved in.

I don't think that the once in, always in model is useful.

I think the entire application process turns it into some type of desirable prize for parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AAP isn't a gifted program and that is part of the problem. With a gifted program you can set specific test scores and look for specific performance indicators. AAP is all over the place.

Maybe there should be one AAP class for every 4 classes in an ES. The top 25% of the kids are in that class. If your school has 6 classes, maybe there are 2 classes and the top 33% are in those classes. Use the CoGAT, iReady, grades and Teacher evaluations. Kids can be moved each year based on their performance. Remove the special application process and the special designation. Make it less about being identified as advanced andmore about performance n school. Make it more fluid so that kids who struggle can be moved out and kids who start to excel can be moved in.

I don't think that the once in, always in model is useful.

I think the entire application process turns it into some type of desirable prize for parents.

What's the special application process and the special designation?