princeton vs yale?

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Anonymous wrote:I lost respect for Yale when they coddled those ridiculous students who screamed at the master of one of the residential colleges for taking the oh-so-controversial position that Yale students should be allowed to assume responsibility for their own Halloween costumes. No doubt Princeton is largely left-wing now, too, but it still seems to prioritize academic excellence in a way that Yale does not.

You need to go to Princeton. I have no idea what this costume whining is about but it sounds like New Haven and Yale are way too much for you to handle.

It was more the idea of being treated like responsible young adults that was too much for the Yale students to handle. The residential college master at Silliman ended up stepping down when the hysterical students should have been reprimanded for their behavior. It sent a clear message that Yale had lost its way.

I don't think wearing black face as part of your Halloween costume at Princeton is going to go over particularly either. But go ahead and give it a try and I guess you can see.

You’re completely missing the point. Wearing blackface is bad. The head of a Yale residential college and his wife, however, were attacked by students for taking the position that Yale could rely upon students to make the right decisions for themselves. The students were incensed that the residential college wasn’t giving students specific instructions as to what Halloween costumes (!)would be considered offensive or inappropriate, and demanded that the professor step down from his position for his perceived lack of allyship.

Yale’s senior leadership then stood by idly when the professor acceded to these demands, when they should have had the professor’s back. If a school is that spineless when it comes to a silly issue like this, it sends a strong signal that it’s not going to insist on academic rigor in the classroom, either.

Princeton is left-wing now, too, but it hasn’t embarrassed itself like Yale did. It’s not a coincidence that it’s Yale that’s now putting out reports on how elite academic institutions (i.e., like Yale) can regain respect.

Princeton speaks out aggressively against the current administration's attacks on higher education, so A+ for Princeton for that.

As far as Halloween, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Based on conversations I've had with racist parents who sent their kids off to college, I'm not sure those kids are in fact getting good guidance about what is and is not an appropriate Halloween costume. A little reinforcement around this issue at Halloween might be a valuable lesson for some college students.

Sounds like quite the indictment of Yale if you think they’ve been admitting students over the past decade or so who’d show up at a party in blackface. Or, perhaps, you’re itching to impose your own censorious standards of conduct and dress on students.

Either way, not a good look for the Yale community.

Quite easy for racists to "hide their power level", as they say, such as by concern-trolling for free speech only when it benefits racists.
That you would try to "indict" Yale for not reading the minds of applicants because you can't blame them for anything else shows how badly you're reaching for straws.

So you’re happy that a group of Yale students threw a massive temper tantrum in public and drove a distinguished (and quite liberal) academic away from his position as head of a Yale residential college because he agreed with the position articulated by his wife, a Yale lecturer, that the university should allow young adults to make their own decisions about appropriate dress? Got it.

It was not an incident that enhanced Yale’s reputation, given that the students who verbally assaulted the Silliman head apparently were not reprimanded and senior leadership failed to take clear steps to defend Christakis and his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:I lost respect for Yale when they coddled those ridiculous students who screamed at the master of one of the residential colleges for taking the oh-so-controversial position that Yale students should be allowed to assume responsibility for their own Halloween costumes. No doubt Princeton is largely left-wing now, too, but it still seems to prioritize academic excellence in a way that Yale does not.

You need to go to Princeton. I have no idea what this costume whining is about but it sounds like New Haven and Yale are way too much for you to handle.

It was more the idea of being treated like responsible young adults that was too much for the Yale students to handle. The residential college master at Silliman ended up stepping down when the hysterical students should have been reprimanded for their behavior. It sent a clear message that Yale had lost its way.

I don't think wearing black face as part of your Halloween costume at Princeton is going to go over particularly either. But go ahead and give it a try and I guess you can see.

You’re completely missing the point. Wearing blackface is bad. The head of a Yale residential college and his wife, however, were attacked by students for taking the position that Yale could rely upon students to make the right decisions for themselves. The students were incensed that the residential college wasn’t giving students specific instructions as to what Halloween costumes (!)would be considered offensive or inappropriate, and demanded that the professor step down from his position for his perceived lack of allyship.

Yale’s senior leadership then stood by idly when the professor acceded to these demands, when they should have had the professor’s back. If a school is that spineless when it comes to a silly issue like this, it sends a strong signal that it’s not going to insist on academic rigor in the classroom, either.

Princeton is left-wing now, too, but it hasn’t embarrassed itself like Yale did. It’s not a coincidence that it’s Yale that’s now putting out reports on how elite academic institutions (i.e., like Yale) can regain respect.

Princeton speaks out aggressively against the current administration's attacks on higher education, so A+ for Princeton for that.

As far as Halloween, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Based on conversations I've had with racist parents who sent their kids off to college, I'm not sure those kids are in fact getting good guidance about what is and is not an appropriate Halloween costume. A little reinforcement around this issue at Halloween might be a valuable lesson for some college students.

Sounds like quite the indictment of Yale if you think they’ve been admitting students over the past decade or so who’d show up at a party in blackface. Or, perhaps, you’re itching to impose your own censorious standards of conduct and dress on students.

Either way, not a good look for the Yale community.

Quite easy for racists to "hide their power level", as they say, such as by concern-trolling for free speech only when it benefits racists.
That you would try to "indict" Yale for not reading the minds of applicants because you can't blame them for anything else shows how badly you're reaching for straws.

So you’re happy that a group of Yale students threw a massive temper tantrum in public and drove a distinguished (and quite liberal) academic away from his position as head of a Yale residential college because he agreed with the position articulated by his wife, a Yale lecturer, that the university should allow young adults to make their own decisions about appropriate dress? Got it.

It was not an incident that enhanced Yale’s reputation, given that the students who verbally assaulted the Silliman head apparently were not reprimanded and senior leadership failed to take clear steps to defend Christakis and his wife.

No, that's not what I said.

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Anonymous wrote:I lost respect for Yale when they coddled those ridiculous students who screamed at the master of one of the residential colleges for taking the oh-so-controversial position that Yale students should be allowed to assume responsibility for their own Halloween costumes. No doubt Princeton is largely left-wing now, too, but it still seems to prioritize academic excellence in a way that Yale does not.

You need to go to Princeton. I have no idea what this costume whining is about but it sounds like New Haven and Yale are way too much for you to handle.

It was more the idea of being treated like responsible young adults that was too much for the Yale students to handle. The residential college master at Silliman ended up stepping down when the hysterical students should have been reprimanded for their behavior. It sent a clear message that Yale had lost its way.

I don't think wearing black face as part of your Halloween costume at Princeton is going to go over particularly either. But go ahead and give it a try and I guess you can see.

You’re completely missing the point. Wearing blackface is bad. The head of a Yale residential college and his wife, however, were attacked by students for taking the position that Yale could rely upon students to make the right decisions for themselves. The students were incensed that the residential college wasn’t giving students specific instructions as to what Halloween costumes (!)would be considered offensive or inappropriate, and demanded that the professor step down from his position for his perceived lack of allyship.

Yale’s senior leadership then stood by idly when the professor acceded to these demands, when they should have had the professor’s back. If a school is that spineless when it comes to a silly issue like this, it sends a strong signal that it’s not going to insist on academic rigor in the classroom, either.

Princeton is left-wing now, too, but it hasn’t embarrassed itself like Yale did. It’s not a coincidence that it’s Yale that’s now putting out reports on how elite academic institutions (i.e., like Yale) can regain respect.

Princeton speaks out aggressively against the current administration's attacks on higher education, so A+ for Princeton for that.

As far as Halloween, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Based on conversations I've had with racist parents who sent their kids off to college, I'm not sure those kids are in fact getting good guidance about what is and is not an appropriate Halloween costume. A little reinforcement around this issue at Halloween might be a valuable lesson for some college students.

Sounds like quite the indictment of Yale if you think they’ve been admitting students over the past decade or so who’d show up at a party in blackface. Or, perhaps, you’re itching to impose your own censorious standards of conduct and dress on students.

Either way, not a good look for the Yale community.

Again, we're going to have to agree to disagree. They're super super bright kids and I doubt any of them would dress in blackface. But no one's born racist, you are taught it. And yes, it exists at Yale and Princeton and lots of other places. But it can be untaught.

Yes, we will have to agree to disagree. These are topics to cover in a freshman orientation. The idea that a Yale residential college head needs to push an ongoing anti-racism agenda, complete with dire warnings at Halloween about what costumes might be deemed offensive to someone, elevates political correctness over faith in students’ ability to exercise sound judgment. And it runs the risk of never being enough, because once a university administration has waded into being the speech and expression police on campus there’s no easy exit.

Comparatively speaking, Princeton has toed a more sensible line, more frequently coming down in favor of First Amendment rights while making it clearly understood to students that protected speech can have negative or unintended consequences.

I wish yale would push back as hard against this administration as Princeton does.

Good for Princeton. The entire higher education community needs to stand together and push back against the current administration's anti-science, anti-research, anti-higher education attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:Yale is also the place where an employee had to take it upon himself to smash a stained glass window depicting slavery for the image to be removed. Oh, and it took them years to rename the residential college that housed this window, which honored a white supremacist.

Yale and Princeton both need to step it up. Last years class admitted to Yale was only 12 percent african american and at Princeton it was a pathetic 5 percent.

Racist much?

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Anonymous wrote:Yale is also the place where an employee had to take it upon himself to smash a stained glass window depicting slavery for the image to be removed. Oh, and it took them years to rename the residential college that housed this window, which honored a white supremacist.

Yale and Princeton both need to step it up. Last years class admitted to Yale was only 12 percent african american and at Princeton it was a pathetic 5 percent.

Racist much?

Sure lady. Princeton's entering class is 5% African American and I'm the racist.

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Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

The student wants to do engineering and has already felt better matched with Princeton after visiting both so I don't know why they wouldn't just go with that. They're both really amazing options. The student visited both and let them make the choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

I guess you’re basing that on perceived grade inflation/deflation but Yale Law has a weird reputation: highly selective and quite small; without equal when it comes to minting law clerks and future law professors; and indifferent to bad when it comes to teaching its students practical legal skills. Partners at major law firms will regularly tell you graduates of Georgetown or American typically make better associates than Yale graduates.

Princeton students have no trouble getting into law school, and there are any number of law schools besides YLS that may serve them just as well, if not better, if they aspire to become practicing lawyers.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

The student wants to do engineering and has already felt better matched with Princeton after visiting both so I don't know why they wouldn't just go with that. They're both really amazing options. The student visited both and let them make the choice.

If engineering is the major, Princeton is clearly the right choice.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

I guess you’re basing that on perceived grade inflation/deflation but Yale Law has a weird reputation: highly selective and quite small; without equal when it comes to minting law clerks and future law professors; and indifferent to bad when it comes to teaching its students practical legal skills. Partners at major law firms will regularly tell you graduates of Georgetown or American typically make better associates than Yale graduates.

Princeton students have no trouble getting into law school, and there are any number of law schools besides YLS that may serve them just as well, if not better, if they aspire to become practicing lawyers.

No. In my view, Princeton quality dominates Yale’s except pre-law.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton for sure unless they’ve decided on doing law school.

I guess you’re basing that on perceived grade inflation/deflation but Yale Law has a weird reputation: highly selective and quite small; without equal when it comes to minting law clerks and future law professors; and indifferent to bad when it comes to teaching its students practical legal skills. Partners at major law firms will regularly tell you graduates of Georgetown or American typically make better associates than Yale graduates.

Princeton students have no trouble getting into law school, and there are any number of law schools besides YLS that may serve them just as well, if not better, if they aspire to become practicing lawyers.

No. In my view, Princeton quality dominates Yale’s except pre-law.

But pre-law is not a major, and Princeton sends just as many to the top law schools. Just in our friend group (of Princeton grads), we have multiple Yale law, Harvard law, and Columbia law.

But yes GPA matters to law school admissions which is why the PP mentioned perceived grade inflation/deflation.

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Anonymous wrote:I lost respect for Yale when they coddled those ridiculous students who screamed at the master of one of the residential colleges for taking the oh-so-controversial position that Yale students should be allowed to assume responsibility for their own Halloween costumes. No doubt Princeton is largely left-wing now, too, but it still seems to prioritize academic excellence in a way that Yale does not.

I guess Yale will crumble now that it lost your respect

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Anonymous wrote:I lost respect for Yale when they coddled those ridiculous students who screamed at the master of one of the residential colleges for taking the oh-so-controversial position that Yale students should be allowed to assume responsibility for their own Halloween costumes. No doubt Princeton is largely left-wing now, too, but it still seems to prioritize academic excellence in a way that Yale does not.

that's not what happened. at all. get your facts right at least.

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Anonymous wrote:Residential college system at Yale was more appealing to me than eating clubs at Princeton but your daughter may feel the opposite.

+1000 from another Yalie

The residential colleges are randomly assigned, you don't have to apply like a fraternity - which turned me off of the eating clubs

All first year students are randomly assigned to a residential college at Princeton. You don't apply to residential colleges like a fraternity. I currently have a child and a niece there.

The misinformation on DCUM is quite exhausting. Eating clubs have nothing to do with residential colleges at Princeton. Eating clubs are for upperclassmen only. Seniors and juniors do not have to join an eating club if they don't want to.

Let's repeat this again for those who have issues with comprehension. Princeton has a residential college system. Students are randomly assigned to a residential college. All first year and sophomores at Princeton are automatically on the university dining plan.

Eating clubs are ONLY for upperclassmen. This is not mandatory. If you want to join an eating club for your junior and senior year, then you can. If you want to do any of the following options: remain on the university dining plan, go co-op, go independent, then you can do any of those choices as well. I know many juniors and seniors who do not join eating clubs. My niece is at Princeton, and she lives in one of those Victorian houses off campus with her co-op group. Joining an eating club is a choice for ONLY juniors and seniors. Princeton will not force a student to join an eating club.

and tell me again how much it COSTS to join an eating club? and your post ignores that some of them at least are selective, and not all get in. you know, like fraternities.