GDS high school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-DEIB posts are the same folks that participated in white flight. Just angry white mothers are doing all they can to uphold the white male patriarchy.

Some things never change.

The Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison

A book considered one of the greatest modern english literature books.

A black female nobel laureate author.

A 20+ year teacher reading dialogue.

Y'all have lost your minds.

+1.

We've taught our kids to clueless informers and Thought Police. Playing gotcha all the way down.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

^Sing, Unburied, Sing. Sorry for typo in the book title.

(It’s a really excellent choice by the English dept, btw.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anti-DEIB posts are the same folks that participated in white flight. Just angry white mothers are doing all they can to uphold the white male patriarchy.

Some things never change.

Oh come on. This is why we can't have nice things. Or sane discussions. Taking everything to a racist extreme.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anti-DEIB posts are the same folks that participated in white flight. Just angry white mothers are doing all they can to uphold the white male patriarchy.

Some things never change.

The Song of Solomon by Toni Morrison

A book considered one of the greatest modern english literature books.

A black female nobel laureate author.

A 20+ year teacher reading dialogue.

Y'all have lost your minds.

+1.

We've taught our kids to clueless informers and Thought Police. Playing gotcha all the way down.

Exactly. These folks are running a massive experiment on our kids. And they wonder why teenage boys are turning reactionary and conservative. Having thought police wag finger at them 24/7 for being subjugators.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:why teenage boys are turning reactionary and conservative

They were already going to be that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

Either read a different section of dialogue or use the words as written. Show shome respect for the author. In this case she 100% deserves it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why teenage boys are turning reactionary and conservative

They were already going to be that way.

False - that's simply not what the data shows. It's been a secular shift last 5 years. But you have already made up your mind.

[Anonymous]

What "data"?

You never hear anyone say, "I'm voting D because the Rs were mean to me!" Only the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

+100. The classroom is a part of the world, not some sacred space where you can say anything. I just googled this and various college level english classes are also not saying this word in their classrooms. It is just not a necessary part of teaching the text while being respectful of the preferences of different students in the class -- it is just not necessary for you the white teacher to make that choice for everyone. It's not.

I'm not even especially woke and I know this as a 50 year old white lady. Come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

You missed an important point, which is that Toni Morrison, a poet and novelist, deliberately chose to use the n-word in her own writing. Toni Morrison was a staunch supporter of free speech (she even wrote an intro to a recent edition of Huck Finn!), and she chose to use the n-word instead of something less noticeable because it has meaning. If she wanted people to read "n-word," she would have chosen a different word.
In the context of a GDS class taught by a veteran teacher, it's clear that the teacher using the n-word had provided appropriate guidance to the students. GDS admin went too far in admonishing the teacher and letting the student run roughshod over the pedagogical process. From now on, teachers are going to think twice about introducing any literature that could be controversial, much to the detriment of GDS students. It's truly sad to see a paragon of intellectual free thinking devolve into a caricature of knee-jerk liberal politics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What "data"?

You never hear anyone say, "I'm voting D because the Rs were mean to me!" Only the other way around.

There's no need to sidetrack this but that's just patently untrue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

+100. The classroom is a part of the world, not some sacred space where you can say anything. I just googled this and various college level english classes are also not saying this word in their classrooms. It is just not a necessary part of teaching the text while being respectful of the preferences of different students in the class -- it is just not necessary for you the white teacher to make that choice for everyone. It's not.

I'm not even especially woke and I know this as a 50 year old white lady. Come on.

College administrations are pushing back on this, FYI, because faculty are avoiding teaching some literature all together in order to avoid being accused of bias and racism.
-Tenured professor, humanities

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What "data"?

You never hear anyone say, "I'm voting D because the Rs were mean to me!" Only the other way around.

There's no need to sidetrack this but that's just patently untrue.

“I used to be open to immigrants and universal healthcare, but then someone made me call them by a different pronoun so now I’m voting for Trump.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, just say “n-word”. My kid is reading Sing, Unbroken, Sing at SSSAS. The teachers explained to the students that the (Black) author used the word (spoken by both Black and white characters in the book) and that the students themselves should say “n-word” if reading aloud or type “n*****” if quoting the book in a written response.

It’s important to read and discuss books with these themes and topics but it’s also important for teachers and students to understand what language is and isn’t acceptable even in purely academic discussion. There are easy work-arounds that don’t take away from the author’s choices to include certain words, the importance of introducing such words from an academic standpoint, or the importance of the importance of the topic, but still don’t have students or even teachers speaking certain words about loud.

You missed an important point, which is that Toni Morrison, a poet and novelist, deliberately chose to use the n-word in her own writing. Toni Morrison was a staunch supporter of free speech (she even wrote an intro to a recent edition of Huck Finn!), and she chose to use the n-word instead of something less noticeable because it has meaning. If she wanted people to read "n-word," she would have chosen a different word.
In the context of a GDS class taught by a veteran teacher, it's clear that the teacher using the n-word had provided appropriate guidance to the students. GDS admin went too far in admonishing the teacher and letting the student run roughshod over the pedagogical process. From now on, teachers are going to think twice about introducing any literature that could be controversial, much to the detriment of GDS students. It's truly sad to see a paragon of intellectual free thinking devolve into a caricature of knee-jerk liberal politics.

Hey, maybe you haven’t noticed, but Toni Morrison is black.

Black music artists also choose to use the n word in their songs. White people still can’t sing that word.

Where have you been if you are not aware of this modern reality? This is a small toll on your freedom and really is NOT that big a deal. Get over yourself. Maybe ask yourself why it’s so important to you that white people should be saying that word when there are black people in the classroom that do not want to be subjected to that. Why does your white opinion matter more than theirs?