Recruited athletes don’t have lower stats!

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. To clarify, they were referring to D3 athletes at competitive schools.

My understanding is that the top D3 schools' prereads are hard to get through. The amount of help an athlete gets varies. For NESCAC's, a coach submits paperwork and is told "if you support this kid we will accept them", and then the coach makes an offer. But to get that nod from admissions that student needs to have stats that are similar to other students that are accepted. So, basically, the coach can move the kids from "would have a chance" to "yes", but not from "no" to "yes".

At other schools like MIT or JHU, the coach can help but not quite as much, so they can tell admissions, "I'd like you took carefully at this kid", but it's not a sure thing.

And then there are schools like Caltech where athletics aren't weighed into the admissions decision at all.

For NESCACs, this translates to: We have 130 kids with roughly the same stats and 30 of them will get admitted. If there are 22 athletes in that pool with coach support, 100% of the athletes will be admitted and 92% of the other kids in that pool will be rejected.

You're making up the numbers. However, you are correct that NESCAC schools let athletes know whether they should apply, so the athletes who are turned away aren't part of their admissions percentages, and close to 100% of recruited athletes who apply with coach support get in. However, I'd guess that more than 92% of athletes who would like to play at a NESCAC don't get coach support, either because they aren't good enough athletes, or they don't fill a need (e.g. they might be a goalie and the team has two) or they can't pass the pre-read.

But also, no one is arguing that being recruited doesn't help kids with strong stats get accepted over other kids with similar stats, unless you're applying to Caltech.

Guilty (and, I thought obviously so). Numbers pulled completely out of my a§§ for illustrative purposes. At bOttoman, we are in vigorous agreement.

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My college in 1985 our 10 person baseball team was getting one million per game TV coverage when in final four and nationally televised games.

Mark Jackson on basketball team played 17 years in NBA graduated in time (130 credits) and he passed CPA exam first try and had a 4.0 in his major accounting. Mark could have went to way better academic schools than my college he went to my college for basketball program.

Tuition was only $4,000 a year back then and my school was a commuter school. Each nationally televised game could fund 250 scholarships.

Many people on team could have went to better schools. They chose my school for basketball team. Chris Mullen was star and Lou Carnesecca coach

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DS mentioned in passing a classmate who plays baseball at Georgetown, which has an ACT range of 32-35 (25th to 75th percentile). The classmate’s recruiting profile shows that he got a 28 on the ACT. He’s a rich, white kid from the tri-state area.

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Anonymous wrote:DS mentioned in passing a classmate who plays baseball at Georgetown, which has an ACT range of 32-35 (25th to 75th percentile). The classmate’s recruiting profile shows that he got a 28 on the ACT. He’s a rich, white kid from the tri-state area.

I would guess that there are plenty of other students at Georgetown who got a 28 on the ACT. They just didn't submit their score.

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Anonymous wrote:DS mentioned in passing a classmate who plays baseball at Georgetown, which has an ACT range of 32-35 (25th to 75th percentile). The classmate’s recruiting profile shows that he got a 28 on the ACT. He’s a rich, white kid from the tri-state area.

I would guess that there are plenty of other students at Georgetown who got a 28 on the ACT. They just didn't submit their score.

No! Georgetown requires scores. All scores, even for athletes. It’s pretty amazing they have such a high score profile.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

How do you know that?

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

How do you know the Yale lax player stats?

How do you know that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

You are gong to have to cough up some data...

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

How do you know the Yale lax player stats?

How do you know that?

Go up the thread several pages. Someone posted a Youtube video of the Yale LAX coach going through the admission process and talking a bit about the profile of current kids on the team. Not sure the year, but this is post-COVID because the coach mentions TO (although alludes to his thinking that will go away with the digital SAT...but I feel like Yale and many others have already said they are TO through HS class of 2026).

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Anonymous wrote:My DS is a D1 athlete at a T25. Yes, he had SAT score above the 75th percentile for that school and 4 plus gpa with 10 AP’s. Happened to be a stellar athlete to boot. Same for another kid whose stats and rigor I know on his team. It’s incredibly difficult handling academics and 40hours of sport/travel a week, so having a solid academic base/study habits/intellect is essential.

That’s very odd your D1 athlete even took the SATs. My son knew he was playing somewhere on September 1 of his junior year. Any kid capable of D1 knows early that they are playing . Why bother with SATs? After sept 2 it was just a matter of where he was going to choose and who has the best package. My son did graduate with a 4.4, but that’s just his work ethic. It was pretty apparent by 10th grade justice into college was going to be his sport.

Depends on the sport. My Senior is being recruited just now. Only 1 of the 7 spots for 2024 have been committed at two of the schools. Most of the coaches have said they are still working on the 2024 class.

Oh- and my son had straight As at a tough school and scored a 35 ACT on the first try. Scored 5s on all of his AP exams too.

The non-lucrative sports, especially at high academic schools, don’t skimp on grades. Their athletes on those teams have a profile nearly identical to regular admits.

I am not sure soccer is considered a lucrative sport...but you are seeing more and more failed professional European athletes populating US college soccer teams, including high academic teams where they are applying TO.

Also, listen to the Yale lacrosse coach talking to potential recruits. Says you need to be in top 10% of the class, but more than 1/2 the team is scoring below 1500 on the SAT, with many scoring 1200s and 1300s.

How do you know the Yale lax player stats?

How do you know that?

Go up the thread several pages. Someone posted a Youtube video of the Yale LAX coach going through the admission process and talking a bit about the profile of current kids on the team. Not sure the year, but this is post-COVID because the coach mentions TO (although alludes to his thinking that will go away with the digital SAT...but I feel like Yale and many others have already said they are TO through HS class of 2026).

Ivies have strict rules about the academic qualifications of athletes.

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2019/04/03/how-admissions-and-athletics-intertwine-ivy-league-colleges-opinion

The AI and other selectivity measures mean that coaches are usually required to make recommendations for admitting recruited athletes within strict academic guidelines. In the Ivy League, a recruit must be within the bands of proximity to the overall profile of admitted students according to grades and SAT scores. If not, faculty complain about overemphasis. The coach and the admissions committee may go beneath the bands but usually only for a very talented and exceptional athlete. And any exception to the composite index must be compensated by having other recruits who are above the academic norms. In the case of the Ivy League, the scrutiny takes place within the institution and also is subjected to review by coaches and faculty representatives across the conference.