Second 2024 Republican Primary Debate Thread

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Woof.

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Anonymous wrote:LoL +1.

But there's independents to consider. Def pro choice moderate GOP stands a chance. MAGA would lose outright with DT. Biden doesn't stand a chance v someone who can pull Dems, Rep and Independents which would be a moderate GOP candidate.

Pro choice moderate GOP candidate? Who would that be?

The way out for a Republican candidate is to simply reiterate that abortion is a state issue, not a federal issue. Which is what Dobbs did. I don't think abortion is going to be an albatross for Republicans if they frame it as a state's choice. California is free to do as it wishes. And so is Missouri. Don't think too many votes will be won or lost with that position. But any candidate advocating for some kind of nationwide ban or severe restrictions is dead in the water.

I am as pro choice as they come and I 100% agree with you - but REPUBLICANS ARE NOT DOING THIS. I am actually shocked about how badly they botched the messaging. They really, truly, don't understand that some of their messaging impacts millions of women who may be prolife but now are stressed about they or their daughter's or DILs will get prenatal care, what happens if they have an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage, etc. It's like Republicans had no idea what they were doing or never expected Roe to fall.

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Anonymous wrote:LoL +1.

But there's independents to consider. Def pro choice moderate GOP stands a chance. MAGA would lose outright with DT. Biden doesn't stand a chance v someone who can pull Dems, Rep and Independents which would be a moderate GOP candidate.

Pro choice moderate GOP candidate? Who would that be?

The way out for a Republican candidate is to simply reiterate that abortion is a state issue, not a federal issue. Which is what Dobbs did. I don't think abortion is going to be an albatross for Republicans if they frame it as a state's choice. California is free to do as it wishes. And so is Missouri. Don't think too many votes will be won or lost with that position. But any candidate advocating for some kind of nationwide ban or severe restrictions is dead in the water.

I am as pro choice as they come and I 100% agree with you - but REPUBLICANS ARE NOT DOING THIS. I am actually shocked about how badly they botched the messaging. They really, truly, don't understand that some of their messaging impacts millions of women who may be prolife but now are stressed about they or their daughter's or DILs will get prenatal care, what happens if they have an ectopic pregnancy or a miscarriage, etc. It's like Republicans had no idea what they were doing or never expected Roe to fall.

The GOP is not messaging their way out of this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Go DeSantis. So refreshing.

He just basically said he would militarily invade Mexico. He's an idiot.

No, he didn't.
He said he would go after the cartels using the military. I agree with him.
And, the cartels are within our own country. Do you not know this?

I do know that, tyvm, but he said he would send our military "into Mexico." Pretty sure sure their President is not on board with that approach.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who got a little tough with the president of Mexico and presented an ultimatum?
If they are not going to prevent the cartels from operating on THEIR borders, then we need to take action.
Our current geriatric oval office resident has done ZERO to work with the Mexican president to stop the flow of migrants and drugs and hold them accountable.

False.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-plan-mexico-fight-firearms-fentanyl-rcna79704

That was 5 months ago, How's it going?
Not well judging from the amount of fentanyl that is still coming into our country and the number of people dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Do you not know what “seizing” means?

Do you understand that the amount they seize is a FRACTION of what is coming across?

Narrator: They do not understand this.

Yes and Biden has been getting a bigger fraction than Trump. Thanks for playing.

You are painfully slow. It's been explained to you by other PPs that the reason for that is because illegal immigration has EXPLODED under Biden. More illegal immigrants = more seizures. School must have been really hard for you.

Trump did nothing about illegal immigration.

Trump made it clear that illegal immigrants would not be welcomed - unlike Joe, who encouraged them to come.

Good we need them. The country is being held back by lack of workers.

Or we could pay the peoples better. Or we could have cheaper housing due to fewer new peoples.

More worker = cheaper wage for the capitalist pig dog.

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Well as pointless as that debate was, it did produce this ad!

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Anonymous wrote:Watching on Fox is like nails on a blackboard. No viable candidates.

I'm thinking back to the 2020 Dem clown car debates with a snicker.

This is why Trump doesn't appear with them.

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Anonymous wrote:Go DeSantis. So refreshing.

He just basically said he would militarily invade Mexico. He's an idiot.

No, he didn't.
He said he would go after the cartels using the military. I agree with him.
And, the cartels are within our own country. Do you not know this?

I do know that, tyvm, but he said he would send our military "into Mexico." Pretty sure sure their President is not on board with that approach.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who got a little tough with the president of Mexico and presented an ultimatum?
If they are not going to prevent the cartels from operating on THEIR borders, then we need to take action.
Our current geriatric oval office resident has done ZERO to work with the Mexican president to stop the flow of migrants and drugs and hold them accountable.

False.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-plan-mexico-fight-firearms-fentanyl-rcna79704

That was 5 months ago, How's it going?
Not well judging from the amount of fentanyl that is still coming into our country and the number of people dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Do you not know what “seizing” means?

Do you understand that the amount they seize is a FRACTION of what is coming across?

Narrator: They do not understand this.

Yes and Biden has been getting a bigger fraction than Trump. Thanks for playing.

You are painfully slow. It's been explained to you by other PPs that the reason for that is because illegal immigration has EXPLODED under Biden. More illegal immigrants = more seizures. School must have been really hard for you.

Trump did nothing about illegal immigration.

Trump made it clear that illegal immigrants would not be welcomed - unlike Joe, who encouraged them to come.

Good we need them. The country is being held back by lack of workers.

Or we could pay the peoples better. Or we could have cheaper housing due to fewer new peoples.

More worker = cheaper wage for the capitalist pig dog.

My dad spent one summer after high school picking strawberries. From this he earned enough to buy a brand new car (Plymouth Duster).
If an 18 year old could earn enough doing a menial job for three months to buy a new car you bet they would be willing to do it. Instead they pay slave wages that only an illegal is willing to take.
And yes, strawberries were more expensive in the 1970s. That's a price we should be willing to pay for a functioning country.

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Anonymous wrote:Go DeSantis. So refreshing.

He just basically said he would militarily invade Mexico. He's an idiot.

No, he didn't.
He said he would go after the cartels using the military. I agree with him.
And, the cartels are within our own country. Do you not know this?

I do know that, tyvm, but he said he would send our military "into Mexico." Pretty sure sure their President is not on board with that approach.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who got a little tough with the president of Mexico and presented an ultimatum?
If they are not going to prevent the cartels from operating on THEIR borders, then we need to take action.
Our current geriatric oval office resident has done ZERO to work with the Mexican president to stop the flow of migrants and drugs and hold them accountable.

False.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-plan-mexico-fight-firearms-fentanyl-rcna79704

That was 5 months ago, How's it going?
Not well judging from the amount of fentanyl that is still coming into our country and the number of people dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Do you not know what “seizing” means?

Do you understand that the amount they seize is a FRACTION of what is coming across?

Narrator: They do not understand this.

Yes and Biden has been getting a bigger fraction than Trump. Thanks for playing.

You are painfully slow. It's been explained to you by other PPs that the reason for that is because illegal immigration has EXPLODED under Biden. More illegal immigrants = more seizures. School must have been really hard for you.

Trump did nothing about illegal immigration.

Trump made it clear that illegal immigrants would not be welcomed - unlike Joe, who encouraged them to come.

Good we need them. The country is being held back by lack of workers.

Or we could pay the peoples better. Or we could have cheaper housing due to fewer new peoples.

More worker = cheaper wage for the capitalist pig dog.

My dad spent one summer after high school picking strawberries. From this he earned enough to buy a brand new car (Plymouth Duster).
If an 18 year old could earn enough doing a menial job for three months to buy a new car you bet they would be willing to do it. Instead they pay slave wages that only an illegal is willing to take.
And yes, strawberries were more expensive in the 1970s. That's a price we should be willing to pay for a functioning country.

I'm not sure that arguing for higher food prices is going to get us anywhere

But I agree - wages go up, and they still buy less. Except for clothes - clothes have gotten really cheap comparatively! It's also pretty easy to eat pretty cheaply, if you shop for price. But cars and houses, and healthcare, are all VERY expensive. Education, too.

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Totters out like someone walking on the balls of his feet, empty boot toes...

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Anonymous wrote:Go DeSantis. So refreshing.

He just basically said he would militarily invade Mexico. He's an idiot.

No, he didn't.
He said he would go after the cartels using the military. I agree with him.
And, the cartels are within our own country. Do you not know this?

I do know that, tyvm, but he said he would send our military "into Mexico." Pretty sure sure their President is not on board with that approach.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who got a little tough with the president of Mexico and presented an ultimatum?
If they are not going to prevent the cartels from operating on THEIR borders, then we need to take action.
Our current geriatric oval office resident has done ZERO to work with the Mexican president to stop the flow of migrants and drugs and hold them accountable.

False.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-plan-mexico-fight-firearms-fentanyl-rcna79704

That was 5 months ago, How's it going?
Not well judging from the amount of fentanyl that is still coming into our country and the number of people dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Do you not know what “seizing” means?

Do you understand that the amount they seize is a FRACTION of what is coming across?

Narrator: They do not understand this.

Yes and Biden has been getting a bigger fraction than Trump. Thanks for playing.

You are painfully slow. It's been explained to you by other PPs that the reason for that is because illegal immigration has EXPLODED under Biden. More illegal immigrants = more seizures. School must have been really hard for you.

Trump did nothing about illegal immigration.

Trump made it clear that illegal immigrants would not be welcomed - unlike Joe, who encouraged them to come.

Good we need them. The country is being held back by lack of workers.

Or we could pay the peoples better. Or we could have cheaper housing due to fewer new peoples.

More worker = cheaper wage for the capitalist pig dog.

My dad spent one summer after high school picking strawberries. From this he earned enough to buy a brand new car (Plymouth Duster).
If an 18 year old could earn enough doing a menial job for three months to buy a new car you bet they would be willing to do it. Instead they pay slave wages that only an illegal is willing to take.
And yes, strawberries were more expensive in the 1970s. That's a price we should be willing to pay for a functioning country.

I'm not sure that arguing for higher food prices is going to get us anywhere

But I agree - wages go up, and they still buy less. Except for clothes - clothes have gotten really cheap comparatively! It's also pretty easy to eat pretty cheaply, if you shop for price. But cars and houses, and healthcare, are all VERY expensive. Education, too.

Clothes, electronics like large screen TVs and many other things are cheap as compared to a decade or two ago.
For most people, wages have been stagnant. But for the c-suite and upper echelon, they have seen huge increases in income. What makes the CEO of today worth so much more than a CEO in the 1980s? Nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Go DeSantis. So refreshing.

He just basically said he would militarily invade Mexico. He's an idiot.

No, he didn't.
He said he would go after the cartels using the military. I agree with him.
And, the cartels are within our own country. Do you not know this?

I do know that, tyvm, but he said he would send our military "into Mexico." Pretty sure sure their President is not on board with that approach.

Wouldn't it be nice if we had a president who got a little tough with the president of Mexico and presented an ultimatum?
If they are not going to prevent the cartels from operating on THEIR borders, then we need to take action.
Our current geriatric oval office resident has done ZERO to work with the Mexican president to stop the flow of migrants and drugs and hold them accountable.

False.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/biden-plan-mexico-fight-firearms-fentanyl-rcna79704

That was 5 months ago, How's it going?
Not well judging from the amount of fentanyl that is still coming into our country and the number of people dying of fentanyl poisoning.

Do you not know what “seizing” means?

Do you understand that the amount they seize is a FRACTION of what is coming across?

Narrator: They do not understand this.

Yes and Biden has been getting a bigger fraction than Trump. Thanks for playing.

You are painfully slow. It's been explained to you by other PPs that the reason for that is because illegal immigration has EXPLODED under Biden. More illegal immigrants = more seizures. School must have been really hard for you.

Trump did nothing about illegal immigration.

Trump made it clear that illegal immigrants would not be welcomed - unlike Joe, who encouraged them to come.

Good we need them. The country is being held back by lack of workers.

Or we could pay the peoples better. Or we could have cheaper housing due to fewer new peoples.

More worker = cheaper wage for the capitalist pig dog.

My dad spent one summer after high school picking strawberries. From this he earned enough to buy a brand new car (Plymouth Duster).
If an 18 year old could earn enough doing a menial job for three months to buy a new car you bet they would be willing to do it. Instead they pay slave wages that only an illegal is willing to take.
And yes, strawberries were more expensive in the 1970s. That's a price we should be willing to pay for a functioning country.

I'm not sure that arguing for higher food prices is going to get us anywhere

But I agree - wages go up, and they still buy less. Except for clothes - clothes have gotten really cheap comparatively! It's also pretty easy to eat pretty cheaply, if you shop for price. But cars and houses, and healthcare, are all VERY expensive. Education, too.

Clothes, electronics like large screen TVs and many other things are cheap as compared to a decade or two ago.
For most people, wages have been stagnant. But for the c-suite and upper echelon, they have seen huge increases in income. What makes the CEO of today worth so much more than a CEO in the 1980s? Nothing.

I mean that's capitalism - you're worth what the market is willing to pay you.