Why America stopped building public pools

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Again, it's a PRIVATE pool.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?

Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.

Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.

And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?

Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?

Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.

Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.

And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?

Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

“It”?

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Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?

For the same reasons they build roads and schools and other things the people want them to build. Do you think you are clever?

Roads and schools do not equate with pools.

Parks do. They are amenities.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?

For the same reasons they build roads and schools and other things the people want them to build. Do you think you are clever?

Roads and schools do not equate with pools.

Parks do. They are amenities.

PP here. If you are referring to national parks, yes, I most certainly agree.

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Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

Theyre are exceptions.

But there is also this prevalent view that everyone should get everything for free at this site, and it's pushed constantly. It is built around an entitlement mentality.

Being "free" means some is going to give you a product without payment or reduced payment to where the provider takes the hit. So let me just ask a question on your worldview....

Is it your view that half the country should enslave themselves and provide the other half a life without any wants or needs unifilled by a person working and providing for themselves? Should outcomes not be tied to effort? Do you want two classes of people....those who provide for others and others?

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Anonymous wrote:
Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

Theyre are exceptions.

But there is also this prevalent view that everyone should get everything for free at this site, and it's pushed constantly. It is built around an entitlement mentality.

Being "free" means some is going to give you a product without payment or reduced payment to where the provider takes the hit. So let me just ask a question on your worldview....

Is it your view that half the country should enslave themselves and provide the other half a life without any wants or needs unifilled by a person working and providing for themselves? Should outcomes not be tied to effort? Do you want two classes of people....those who provide for others and others?

DP. Nope. There is, however, a prevailing view that we should get services and resources for our tax dollars that meet our needs as individuals, families, and communities. Pools aren’t “free”. They are being paid for with tax dollars.
The military industrial complex isn’t “free” either. It’s being paid for with tax dollars. I’d prefer to spend more on things like pools — recreational facilities, educational resources, cultural programs, and meeting basic needs for food, housing, and healthcare.

As for “effort” and “tiers” — we’re there. People like you hope that the rest of us don’t connect the dots and notice who and what we’re funding — and who and what have been profiting from our labor.

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Anonymous wrote:
Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

Theyre are exceptions.

But there is also this prevalent view that everyone should get everything for free at this site, and it's pushed constantly. It is built around an entitlement mentality.

Being "free" means some is going to give you a product without payment or reduced payment to where the provider takes the hit. So let me just ask a question on your worldview....

Is it your view that half the country should enslave themselves and provide the other half a life without any wants or needs unifilled by a person working and providing for themselves? Should outcomes not be tied to effort? Do you want two classes of people....those who provide for others and others?

DP. Nope. There is, however, a prevailing view that we should get services and resources for our tax dollars that meet our needs as individuals, families, and communities. Pools aren’t “free”. They are being paid for with tax dollars.
The military industrial complex isn’t “free” either. It’s being paid for with tax dollars. I’d prefer to spend more on things like pools — recreational facilities, educational resources, cultural programs, and meeting basic needs for food, housing, and healthcare.

As for “effort” and “tiers” — we’re there. People like you hope that the rest of us don’t connect the dots and notice who and what we’re funding — and who and what have been profiting from our labor.

The military is there if planes crash into buildings. An existential threat.

You're trying to socialize every want across the masses.

What if I don't want to participate? You'll just make us by force of the IRS? NO.

You want to swim. That's fine. I want a pony!

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Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

Theyre are exceptions.

But there is also this prevalent view that everyone should get everything for free at this site, and it's pushed constantly. It is built around an entitlement mentality.

Being "free" means some is going to give you a product without payment or reduced payment to where the provider takes the hit. So let me just ask a question on your worldview....

Is it your view that half the country should enslave themselves and provide the other half a life without any wants or needs unifilled by a person working and providing for themselves? Should outcomes not be tied to effort? Do you want two classes of people....those who provide for others and others?

DP. Nope. There is, however, a prevailing view that we should get services and resources for our tax dollars that meet our needs as individuals, families, and communities. Pools aren’t “free”. They are being paid for with tax dollars.
The military industrial complex isn’t “free” either. It’s being paid for with tax dollars. I’d prefer to spend more on things like pools — recreational facilities, educational resources, cultural programs, and meeting basic needs for food, housing, and healthcare.

As for “effort” and “tiers” — we’re there. People like you hope that the rest of us don’t connect the dots and notice who and what we’re funding — and who and what have been profiting from our labor.

The military is there if planes crash into buildings. An existential threat.

You're trying to socialize every want across the masses.

What if I don't want to participate? You'll just make us by force of the IRS? NO.

You want to swim. That's fine. I want a pony!

You seem to be trying to be logical with your threat assessments, so here’s something to check — if you’re actually sincere. I doubt it, because you’re flinging around assumptions with little support for them, but hey: you never know.

Anyway:
-How many US citizens die each year from drowning?
- How many US citizens die each year from planes crashing into buildings?
- Which number is bigger?
-Which actually represents the greatest “existential threat”?

You want to drive. I don’t. You got your free and county subsidized parking. My tax dollars help pay for it.

Don’t forget to clean up after your pony.

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Anonymous wrote:
Why are governments at any level involved in the pool business?


Just so there’s an echo here: local parks, state parks, national parks, local, state, and national sports competitions, states where the highest paid state employee is a coach…. We can argue about all if those things, and whether it’s in the interests of governments to have and to encourage educated physically fit citizens — if only to have enough of them to meet military recruiting goals. There are arguments for the role of pools supporting health and safety. (Yeah, I lived in an area where pools were rare and access to water was easy and often accidental. More than a few preventable drownings that basic water safety skills might have prevented. )

tldr: Governments collect taxes. Taxes should provide services and resources to the community. Pools and other recreational facilities count.


Taxes are for the legitimate functions of govt. Providing you swimming pools doesn't apply.

Don't like your situation? Move and join an HOA.


And what do you view as “legitimate functions of government?”

Rec centers? Schools? Should schools have gym classes? Sports? Spirts facilities? Where exactly are you drawing the line?



Pay for it yourself. You are not entitled. That's where I draw the line.

What about children and the disabled? They might not be able to pay for themselves. You know that most kids don't get to decide who their parents are, right? And some people are disabled from birth, from accidents, wars, etc.

Theyre are exceptions.

But there is also this prevalent view that everyone should get everything for free at this site, and it's pushed constantly. It is built around an entitlement mentality.

Being "free" means some is going to give you a product without payment or reduced payment to where the provider takes the hit. So let me just ask a question on your worldview....

Is it your view that half the country should enslave themselves and provide the other half a life without any wants or needs unifilled by a person working and providing for themselves? Should outcomes not be tied to effort? Do you want two classes of people....those who provide for others and others?

DP. Nope. There is, however, a prevailing view that we should get services and resources for our tax dollars that meet our needs as individuals, families, and communities. Pools aren’t “free”. They are being paid for with tax dollars.
The military industrial complex isn’t “free” either. It’s being paid for with tax dollars. I’d prefer to spend more on things like pools — recreational facilities, educational resources, cultural programs, and meeting basic needs for food, housing, and healthcare.

As for “effort” and “tiers” — we’re there. People like you hope that the rest of us don’t connect the dots and notice who and what we’re funding — and who and what have been profiting from our labor.

The military is there if planes crash into buildings. An existential threat.

You're trying to socialize every want across the masses.

What if I don't want to participate? You'll just make us by force of the IRS? NO.

You want to swim. That's fine. I want a pony!

You seem to be trying to be logical with your threat assessments, so here’s something to check — if you’re actually sincere. I doubt it, because you’re flinging around assumptions with little support for them, but hey: you never know.

Anyway:
-How many US citizens die each year from drowning?
- How many US citizens die each year from planes crashing into buildings?
- Which number is bigger?
-Which actually represents the greatest “existential threat”?

You want to drive. I don’t. You got your free and county subsidized parking. My tax dollars help pay for it.

Don’t forget to clean up after your pony.

What does drowning have to do with the price of tea in China?

All I care about is that you and I are THE LEAST burden to others. I pay for everything that I can myself.

I'm certainly not asking constantly for more freebies at the cost to the tax payer. I want nothing from complete strangers. You seem to want another "program" and frankly, you'll always want more more more.

I want to be left alone and have VERY LOW expectations for the efficiency of govt to deliver just about anything successfully. You want pools? Don't ask me to pay for them.

Free section 8 housing, healthcare, transportation, food, clothing, education, entertainment, etc., etc., etc. Where does it end? Should everyone just send their entire pay check to DC for distribution by our overlords via a centrally planned economy? Yes, that's worked well everywhere it has been tried.