APS: Washington Liberty will be minimum 2700 students by 2025

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

The actual number of students in an average class is not any smaller than at the other schools. Just the overall size of each grade cohort is smaller. It is not like private school at all.

You are telling a lie. Or maybe you are ignorant? Or maybe color blind? Compare the green and red between HBW and the other high schools.

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/06/CSR-Revised-5.7.24.pdf


Anyways, by classes I meant Class of 2025 — and it’s about only 1/6 size of a WL class size.

The self selection and low ESL also are a big boon for keeping down discipline and high need students.

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The IB program at WL is like a school within a school, only about 100 or 120 students. Very rigorous. I think anyone can take the prerequisites and opt in. If you can do the work, and want to do the work, all good.

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

HBW has their own theater program. Don't know about band and orchestra. But things like chorus, band, orchestra are electives that meet during the school day so doubt that's really occurring a whole lot.
I've never heard of a HBW kid joining their main high school's theater production. I guess they could.

It's logistically annoying for them to join their home high school sports team and a lot of them end up feeling like outsiders when they do. Some of them still do it for sure. It's just not quite as rosy as an option as what PP is portraying.

Having an entire high school smaller than a single GRADE at WL is pretty good trade of being an “outsider” on your team, from many parents eyes

Ok. Why so defensive? Just sharing the tradeoffs of the school that may impact some kids.

Also the small class size can be a problem socially. I know it’s shocking but every year some of the middle school kids even leave and go back to their home high school.

It is okay that every situation has pros and cons. Really.

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

HBW has their own theater program. Don't know about band and orchestra. But things like chorus, band, orchestra are electives that meet during the school day so doubt that's really occurring a whole lot.
I've never heard of a HBW kid joining their main high school's theater production. I guess they could.

It's logistically annoying for them to join their home high school sports team and a lot of them end up feeling like outsiders when they do. Some of them still do it for sure. It's just not quite as rosy as an option as what PP is portraying.

Having an entire high school smaller than a single GRADE at WL is pretty good trade of being an “outsider” on your team, from many parents eyes

Ok. Why so defensive? Just sharing the tradeoffs of the school that may impact some kids.

Also the small class size can be a problem socially. I know it’s shocking but every year some of the middle school kids even leave and go back to their home high school.

It is okay that every situation has pros and cons. Really.

I would be less concerned about it if more students could access HBW.

You says it’s too small, great many people want to grow the HBW program, so let’s move HBW MS to WMS and then expand the HBW HS to about 1000. The original plan for the Heights was it to be a 1300 seat middle school, so that is very doable and helps with the small school social problem. But still has a high school 1/3 the size of WL.

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Anonymous wrote:The IB program at WL is like a school within a school, only about 100 or 120 students. Very rigorous. I think anyone can take the prerequisites and opt in. If you can do the work, and want to do the work, all good.

Great so you either slide into a small school by lottery or the sketchy back door that seems to work for some multi-student families, or take a grueling academic course load so you aren’t swimming in an oversized school.

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

HBW has their own theater program. Don't know about band and orchestra. But things like chorus, band, orchestra are electives that meet during the school day so doubt that's really occurring a whole lot.
I've never heard of a HBW kid joining their main high school's theater production. I guess they could.

It's logistically annoying for them to join their home high school sports team and a lot of them end up feeling like outsiders when they do. Some of them still do it for sure. It's just not quite as rosy as an option as what PP is portraying.

Having an entire high school smaller than a single GRADE at WL is pretty good trade of being an “outsider” on your team, from many parents eyes

Ok. Why so defensive? Just sharing the tradeoffs of the school that may impact some kids.

Also the small class size can be a problem socially. I know it’s shocking but every year some of the middle school kids even leave and go back to their home high school.

It is okay that every situation has pros and cons. Really.

I would be less concerned about it if more students could access HBW.

You says it’s too small, great many people want to grow the HBW program, so let’s move HBW MS to WMS and then expand the HBW HS to about 1000. The original plan for the Heights was it to be a 1300 seat middle school, so that is very doable and helps with the small school social problem. But still has a high school 1/3 the size of WL.

The PP didn't say it's too small, they said the small size can be a problem for some kids. That's why they leave. The program isn't right for everyone, that doesn't mean we should destroy it like you want to.

The ship already sailed on making the Heights a neighborhood middle school. The parents didn't want it there. It's not a great site really right smack in the middle of Rosslyn. It works for HB but regular parents would hate it.

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Anonymous wrote:The IB program at WL is like a school within a school, only about 100 or 120 students. Very rigorous. I think anyone can take the prerequisites and opt in. If you can do the work, and want to do the work, all good.

Great so you either slide into a small school by lottery or the sketchy back door that seems to work for some multi-student families, or take a grueling academic course load so you aren’t swimming in an oversized school.

what sketchy back door? sounds like a conspiracy theory

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

HBW has their own theater program. Don't know about band and orchestra. But things like chorus, band, orchestra are electives that meet during the school day so doubt that's really occurring a whole lot.
I've never heard of a HBW kid joining their main high school's theater production. I guess they could.

It's logistically annoying for them to join their home high school sports team and a lot of them end up feeling like outsiders when they do. Some of them still do it for sure. It's just not quite as rosy as an option as what PP is portraying.

Having an entire high school smaller than a single GRADE at WL is pretty good trade of being an “outsider” on your team, from many parents eyes

Ok. Why so defensive? Just sharing the tradeoffs of the school that may impact some kids.

Also the small class size can be a problem socially. I know it’s shocking but every year some of the middle school kids even leave and go back to their home high school.

It is okay that every situation has pros and cons. Really.

Ahh, the condescending HB parent, there are pros and cons post. Love it. Us nonHBers see that and still yet there is an impossible lottery to get into your small school and I can just walk into my giant zoned school. Somehow (sarcastic) you aren’t persuading enough people.

The problem with your stupid argument is that TOO MANY - frankly, probably most - families think the PRO of HB is its small size and that PRO weighs so incredibly heavily that it creates a giant backlog trying to get in. Most of us don’t want our kid at a 500+/class school. If the pros were more nuanced, say, we like to do art here and smoke weed and “self-govern” (whatever the heck that means) but it was the same size, you sure wouldn’t have this ridiculous problem and your pros/cons argument would be MUCH more palatable. As it stands, folks see just: small schools versus giant school and you’ve got a giant mess.

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Anonymous wrote:I think for the Arlington Tech Program alone, roughly 1500 to 1800 students? Maybe more? Essentially it will be the size of a small high school. And APS saves a ton of money since, as a specialized Governor’s Academy program and not a comprehensive high school, it will require no new pool or football stadium, etc.

Is it lumped into career center in transfers report? It’s going jump over 1000?? Is there a huge waitlist?

https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/sites/57/2024/10/2023-2024-Student-Transfer-Report.pdf

Enrollment shows the breakdown:

Arlington Tech 412. (Wakefield 155, W-L 126, Yorktown 131)

Which is pretty evenly split among the comprehensive HSs. It’s my understanding that kids who are 100+ on the waitlist routinely get into AT. So is there demand for 1500 seats?

Not right now. But when people see the amazing labs, brand new facilities, and National merit finalists they will be banging at the door, even if it means they have to give up sports.

I can’t quite tell if this is sarcasm. But they don’t have to give up sports anyway; they can play with their home school.

This is the part where AT and HB don't always relieve pressure at the 3 main high schools. They still can go take spots on sports teams, in orchestras or plays, in some classes. Rather than considering them programs, they should be schools. Choosing to go there means you take what they have and miss out on what's not there.

AT and HB students can be in the orchestra, plays or take classes at their home schools? Really?

DP. Of course. HB and AT students are officially students of their home high schools. They could even go back for a class if not offered at HB for example.

do you know this for sure or are you just assuming this?

That is a fact. Arlington’s programs operate as schools but that’s it. Students in these programs are official members of their home schools, where they are eligible to join classes or extracurriculars when feasible, walk at graduation and receive a diploma. That’s widely known.

Hence HBW is so popular, you get small private school classes but enjoy resources and sports of a much larger school.

HBW has their own theater program. Don't know about band and orchestra. But things like chorus, band, orchestra are electives that meet during the school day so doubt that's really occurring a whole lot.
I've never heard of a HBW kid joining their main high school's theater production. I guess they could.

It's logistically annoying for them to join their home high school sports team and a lot of them end up feeling like outsiders when they do. Some of them still do it for sure. It's just not quite as rosy as an option as what PP is portraying.

Having an entire high school smaller than a single GRADE at WL is pretty good trade of being an “outsider” on your team, from many parents eyes

Ok. Why so defensive? Just sharing the tradeoffs of the school that may impact some kids.

Also the small class size can be a problem socially. I know it’s shocking but every year some of the middle school kids even leave and go back to their home high school.

It is okay that every situation has pros and cons. Really.

Ahh, the condescending HB parent, there are pros and cons post. Love it. Us nonHBers see that and still yet there is an impossible lottery to get into your small school and I can just walk into my giant zoned school. Somehow (sarcastic) you aren’t persuading enough people.

The problem with your stupid argument is that TOO MANY - frankly, probably most - families think the PRO of HB is its small size and that PRO weighs so incredibly heavily that it creates a giant backlog trying to get in. Most of us don’t want our kid at a 500+/class school. If the pros were more nuanced, say, we like to do art here and smoke weed and “self-govern” (whatever the heck that means) but it was the same size, you sure wouldn’t have this ridiculous problem and your pros/cons argument would be MUCH more palatable. As it stands, folks see just: small schools versus giant school and you’ve got a giant mess.

Ha! I wrote the post and I have kids at Yorktown. This will blow your mind...I didn't even enter them in the lottery. I don't think saying most of us don't want our kid at a 500+ class school is accurate. Some kids thrive in this type of environment and (sorry) there really are many pros to a large public school. I get it it's not for everyone though. And I can see that it's frustrating if your child really needs a smaller environment that HB isn't an option.

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The thing that gets me is that bitter people whose kids didn't get into HB want to destroy it by closing it or changing it beyond recognition What good does that do for anyone? It doesn't help the kids who are there, and it also doesn't help the kids who didn't get in.

Arlington Tech is also really great. Are you against that too?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that gets me is that bitter people whose kids didn't get into HB want to destroy it by closing it or changing it beyond recognition What good does that do for anyone? It doesn't help the kids who are there, and it also doesn't help the kids who didn't get in.

Arlington Tech is also really great. Are you against that too?

Increasing HBW to 1000 high school students and moving HBW MS to WMS is not destroying it beyond recognition. It just grows the size of the program in proportion to the growth at the other neighborhood high schools.

It would still be 1/3 the size of WL; radically small for our school system. Just make it as big as Arlington Tech hardly seems unreasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing that gets me is that bitter people whose kids didn't get into HB want to destroy it by closing it or changing it beyond recognition What good does that do for anyone? It doesn't help the kids who are there, and it also doesn't help the kids who didn't get in.

Arlington Tech is also really great. Are you against that too?

Increasing HBW to 1000 high school students and moving HBW MS to WMS is not destroying it beyond recognition. It just grows the size of the program in proportion to the growth at the other neighborhood high schools.

It would still be 1/3 the size of WL; radically small for our school system. Just make it as big as Arlington Tech hardly seems unreasonable.

Respectfully, that makes no sense right now when APS needs to fill Arlington Tech. A lot of money has gone into that program and the building, now under construction.

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Reminder, ARL Tech has a waitlist. Since the new building is not finished yet, it can't absorb many more kids right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Reminder, ARL Tech has a waitlist. Since the new building is not finished yet, it can't absorb many more kids right now.

Once the new building is open, it will get a huge waitlist and the hate will start.
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Anonymous wrote:The thing that gets me is that bitter people whose kids didn't get into HB want to destroy it by closing it or changing it beyond recognition What good does that do for anyone? It doesn't help the kids who are there, and it also doesn't help the kids who didn't get in.

Arlington Tech is also really great. Are you against that too?

Increasing HBW to 1000 high school students and moving HBW MS to WMS is not destroying it beyond recognition. It just grows the size of the program in proportion to the growth at the other neighborhood high schools.

It would still be 1/3 the size of WL; radically small for our school system. Just make it as big as Arlington Tech hardly seems unreasonable.

Respectfully, that makes no sense right now when APS needs to fill Arlington Tech. A lot of money has gone into that program and the building, now under construction.

HBW is far more popular than Tech. They should have invested in expanding that program first.

You are correct, they will never fill AT with anything but Wakefield refugees as a huge majority.