People getting crap jobs from HYPS?

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

My Ivy certainly had a lab for my stem degree. We had our own chip fab, wind tunnel, and built our own nano sats. Sure GT, CalTech, and MIT are on another level but businesses value more than just raw technical talent which is where Ivys and Stanford shine.

So you had a 4-6 hour lab assignment every other week?
And tests where 45% correct was an A?

This still happens in engineering schools that teach Bachelor of Science engineering.

My roommates at BU would laugh than a whole ice age would pass between going in to lab and leaving. Maybe they watered it down to pass/fail or a Bach of arts degree.

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

My Ivy certainly had a lab for my stem degree. We had our own chip fab, wind tunnel, and built our own nano sats. Sure GT, CalTech, and MIT are on another level but businesses value more than just raw technical talent which is where Ivys and Stanford shine.

So you had a 4-6 hour lab assignment every other week?
And tests where 45% correct was an A?

This still happens in engineering schools that teach Bachelor of Science engineering.

My roommates at BU would laugh than a whole ice age would pass between going in to lab and leaving. Maybe they watered it down to pass/fail or a Bach of arts degree.

Maybe abroad. But not in US schools anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do highly credentialed HYPS grads accept crap jobs after graduation?

My neighbor’s son is a senior at a HYPS right now, and she told me that her son just accepted a job offer after graduation. When I asked her what the job is, she told me that her son is moving to Oregon to be a full-time whitewater kayaking instructor.

I was bewildered by this. With a math degree from HYPS, I would assume he’d get a great job offer at graduation.

Oh and for the record, it’s not like he is a rich kid who can rely on his parents — he is solidly middle class and went to his college on a good amount of financial aid.

I think the kid likely thinks this is not a crappy job. Another advantage of HYPS is that you can do this for a year or so and transition back.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Oxford for undergrad and got a consulting job after graduating. I never wanted to, my heart was never in it but did it bc it was the done thing. Quit a few years later and am a SAHM now. I loved my time at uni but always knew I was never cut out for a very big job or career. Plenty of people I know from Oxford in the same situation. It's a big assumption to make that anyone who went to HYPS automatically wants a fancy career, it's just simply not true.

So you met a rich husband at Oxford or at a peer school through your elite school social circle? In that case, your degree was worth every penny

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Oxford for undergrad and got a consulting job after graduating. I never wanted to, my heart was never in it but did it bc it was the done thing. Quit a few years later and am a SAHM now. I loved my time at uni but always knew I was never cut out for a very big job or career. Plenty of people I know from Oxford in the same situation. It's a big assumption to make that anyone who went to HYPS automatically wants a fancy career, it's just simply not true.

That’s ok, they only got a real endowment program 10 years ago and started doing career services on campus around then too. No more graduating, go to London, and find a headhunter.

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Curious who bothers to donate to their colleges anymore. Just dead alums or anyone out on their nature walk job under age 35?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Oxford for undergrad and got a consulting job after graduating. I never wanted to, my heart was never in it but did it bc it was the done thing. Quit a few years later and am a SAHM now. I loved my time at uni but always knew I was never cut out for a very big job or career. Plenty of people I know from Oxford in the same situation. It's a big assumption to make that anyone who went to HYPS automatically wants a fancy career, it's just simply not true.

That’s ok, they only got a real endowment program 10 years ago and started doing career services on campus around then too. No more graduating, go to London, and find a headhunter.

Does Oxford even offer any “practical” majors? Like accounting, finance, data science, statistics, business, computer science, engineering etc?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Oxford for undergrad and got a consulting job after graduating. I never wanted to, my heart was never in it but did it bc it was the done thing. Quit a few years later and am a SAHM now. I loved my time at uni but always knew I was never cut out for a very big job or career. Plenty of people I know from Oxford in the same situation. It's a big assumption to make that anyone who went to HYPS automatically wants a fancy career, it's just simply not true.

That’s ok, they only got a real endowment program 10 years ago and started doing career services on campus around then too. No more graduating, go to London, and find a headhunter.

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It's Gen Z. They don't care about titles, climbing the corporate ladder, or chasing promotions.

They only want enough money to support them in their passions.

I have nieces and nephews like this. None are from wealthy parents. They all went to T20 universities and received merit aid and other scholarships. They did well in college and graduated on time. They all picked lucrative majors (no art history or english lit).

One niece had a corporate job for around 6 or 8 months after graduation and quit to nanny instead. Another niece works at a doggy daycare! My nephew is a dealer on a riverboat casino. He was doing it while studying for the bar but has decided law school is not the path for him. He's been a dealer for 3 years now. Why? I don't get it. I would have killed to go to any of the universities they went to!

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My 20th Yale reunion is in a few weeks. I'll let everyone know what folks are up to 20 years on One (very nice) guy founded Pinterest, so I'm sure he'll be on a few panels.

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Anonymous wrote:It's Gen Z. They don't care about titles, climbing the corporate ladder, or chasing promotions.

They only want enough money to support them in their passions.

I have nieces and nephews like this. None are from wealthy parents. They all went to T20 universities and received merit aid and other scholarships. They did well in college and graduated on time. They all picked lucrative majors (no art history or english lit).

One niece had a corporate job for around 6 or 8 months after graduation and quit to nanny instead. Another niece works at a doggy daycare! My nephew is a dealer on a riverboat casino. He was doing it while studying for the bar but has decided law school is not the path for him. He's been a dealer for 3 years now. Why? I don't get it. I would have killed to go to any of the universities they went to!

Nanny pay in wealthy areas in pretty decent honestly. Not hard to find an $80k gig.

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

My Ivy certainly had a lab for my stem degree. We had our own chip fab, wind tunnel, and built our own nano sats. Sure GT, CalTech, and MIT are on another level but businesses value more than just raw technical talent which is where Ivys and Stanford shine.

So you had a 4-6 hour lab assignment every other week?
And tests where 45% correct was an A?

I’ve got news for you, no college or university in the US, anywhere, is like that in 2023. Grade inflation, athletic recruiting, affirmative action, helicopter parenting and college being a consumer-based business have eliminated such practice.

MIT was like that in 2010. Can't imagine it's changed much in the last decade.

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It's fine - this kid is enjoying himself and your early 20's is a great time to go exploring and have adventures. Not all worthwhile education happens in a classroom, BTW. I'd be thrilled if a kid wanted to go do something like this. Why not?

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When I was in school, programs like Jesuit Volunteer Corps & City Year were a fun way to spend a year after college before entering the real world.

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Anonymous wrote:When you major in useless easy stuff

Now majoring in Math is a useless easy degree?

DP. But yes, it certainly can be. Some of the laziest people I know are mathematicians, pi in the sky and all that, it can very much be a naval gazing humanities degree. To the extent employers think otherwise, that’s a fairly recent development.

But, if graduated without debt, he’ll be self sustaining as a kayak guide, so good enough.

“Ivy League stem degrees” don’t even have labs, nor compare in level of difficulty or skills learned to a earn a math or engineering BS degree from Georgia tech, Carnegie Mellon, MIT, a service academy, CalTech, or top flagship state schools. And certainly can’t hold a candle to math at IIt, Oxbridge, Todai, ecole systems.

Ask anyone that hires or wants the trainability of a true mathematician what they think of the coursework and driven of HYP math major.

My Ivy certainly had a lab for my stem degree. We had our own chip fab, wind tunnel, and built our own nano sats. Sure GT, CalTech, and MIT are on another level but businesses value more than just raw technical talent which is where Ivys and Stanford shine.

So you had a 4-6 hour lab assignment every other week?
And tests where 45% correct was an A?

In my Ivy, yes underclassman had 6 hours of lab every week for engineering. Usually two lab classes a semester.

As an upperclassman in major, you lived and often slept in the lab completing projects such as we built an internet connected vending machine (this was in the 90s) and several robotic and laser comm projects. We etched our own transistors.