Prince Harry to attend coronation without Meghan

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

It is hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes. We haven't drunk the cool aid

Isn't hate

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

You conveniently forget about Sophie, married happily to Edward, the Queen's youngest son. Is she an outlier too?

Do you understand what an outlier is?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

Meghan was a mid 30's divorcee when she married into that family, not some teenage ingenue. She made a willful choice, despite all of the information available to her. And then tried to bend an institution to her will and whined nonstop when that did not happen.

The "problems" of this family had been long and very publicly documented. When you try to elicit sympathy for walking into a crapshow that people could see from miles away, you lose people.

Plus, everyone knows she just wanted the fame, money and titles.

She saw herself as the next Diana. But was much more obviously opportunistic about it than Diana was. Diana never appeared narcissistic in the same way. I did have sympathy for MM at the beginning though--way too many big life changes in the public eye. She and Harry should have gone off to Wales or its equivalent for their first few years together, like Will and Kate did.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

It is hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes. We haven't drunk the cool aid

It should be the Duchess has no tulips. But I get what you mean.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

Meghan was a mid 30's divorcee when she married into that family, not some teenage ingenue. She made a willful choice, despite all of the information available to her. And then tried to bend an institution to her will and whined nonstop when that did not happen.

The "problems" of this family had been long and very publicly documented. When you try to elicit sympathy for walking into a crapshow that people could see from miles away, you lose people.

Plus, everyone knows she just wanted the fame, money and titles.

She saw herself as the next Diana. But was much more obviously opportunistic about it than Diana was. Diana never appeared narcissistic in the same way. I did have sympathy for MM at the beginning though--way too many big life changes in the public eye. She and Harry should have gone off to Wales or its equivalent for their first few years together, like Will and Kate did.

The funny thing is, that option was available to them. They could have played their hand SO much better. But they wanted it all. NOW. They were in discussions with streaming houses like a few months into the marriage. They showed no patience at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor form. She should be there and so should the kids.

The kids weren’t invited and Charles knew full well it was Archie’s bday when selecting the event date. They designed it so she wouldn’t attend. It’s fine, he makes quick appearance then heads straight home. Little to no drama.

They so many family members, the coronation would inevitably fall on someone's bday. Besides, I doubt Archie knows when his birthday is and can wait to celebrate.

Wait, what? Of course he knows when his birthday is. He's almost 4. Do you even have children? Good grief, you are on the wrong website.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you have an unusually astute 4-year old. My youngest is almost five and he has no idea when his birthday is. He would gleefully celebrate it whenever he's told.

So not one single person in their entire organization would say "that's your grandson's birthday" while planning such a massive event. GTFOH

I truly don't get this way of thinking. A grandchild's birthday is a relatively small occasion. It is dwarfed by a coronation. I dunno, I can't imagine our family postponing any kind of event in deference to one of the children's birthdays. Of course we always celebrate kids' birthdays. But we don't ever care if the celebration is on the actual day or not.

Try harder to understand. The King of England is having his correnation that can happen any day in a series of months. His son should be there but Dad is mad at son for publicly calling out how crappy the family treats him and his new family and Dad doesn't like the wife. So how can he stick it to his son while still giving the perception son is happily invited to the coronation? Dad picks the birthday of this son's child out of months of available dates AND gives those grandchildren zero role in event. This is the pettiet of BS things a small man does to his own child when you clearly have been a publicly terrible spouse to their mother, an absentee parent at best and a vindictive jerk to your son's family. Stop being obtuse that this was not a strategic and public "screw you" to Harry.

The world does not revolve around a three old turning four. I highly doubt they picked the date because of Archie. We don't know their schedule and why should we? And honestly if your brother/ son told the whole world when you said in private would you ever trust him again? I highly doubt it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

Ot at ll, but there is something horrid about internet strangers who so avidly attack her. Pathetic really.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

It is hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes. We haven't drunk the cool aid

It should be the Duchess has no tulips. But I get what you mean.

Good one!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

Ot at ll, but there is something horrid about internet strangers who so avidly attack her. Pathetic really.

Just like you pathetically attacking internet strangers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

You conveniently forget about Sophie, married happily to Edward, the Queen's youngest son. Is she an outlier too?

Sophie doesn't get even the tiniest fraction of attention that Meghan and Kate do. It's totally different. Less is expected of her and therefore it is easier for her to perform. She and Edward have far more privacy and independence than Meghan and Harry had when they were still in the UK. I think Sophie even continue to work after she and Edward got married, for a few years. Just apples to oranges.

Meghan's experience is more similar to Diana's or Fergie's -- huge public weddings, lots of press, tons of interest in them as individuals by the public. And it follows a fairly similar script. At first the family is happy to ride on the wave of happy public sentiment over the wedding dress, the wedding itself, and pictures of the bllissful newlyweds -- it feeds a fairytale ending narrative peopel are obsessed with. But the second that person because an actual person trying to live a life within the family, raise children, have some control over their lives, the BRF cracks down and says "no, you belong to us, we make your decisions." And fireworks ensue. Shouldn't it be telling that this has happened three times now?

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Anonymous wrote:Poor form. She should be there and so should the kids.

The kids weren’t invited and Charles knew full well it was Archie’s bday when selecting the event date. They designed it so she wouldn’t attend. It’s fine, he makes quick appearance then heads straight home. Little to no drama.

They so many family members, the coronation would inevitably fall on someone's bday. Besides, I doubt Archie knows when his birthday is and can wait to celebrate.

Wait, what? Of course he knows when his birthday is. He's almost 4. Do you even have children? Good grief, you are on the wrong website.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you have an unusually astute 4-year old. My youngest is almost five and he has no idea when his birthday is. He would gleefully celebrate it whenever he's told.

This is true, and so would any reasonable adult. My birthday fell on a Monday this year. We celebrated with family at dinner the following Saturday. Not traumatizing.

Are you really equating your feelings about when to celebrate your birthday to the feelings of a FOUR YEAR OLD?

A four year old, as PP stated, will celebrate on whatever day you tell him to. He's not going to care if the party doesn't happen on THE DAY. In fact it often does not occur on the day, and everyone survives. 4 year olds are unaware. They don't. care.

So, I don't have a dog in this fight: I doubt very much this day was chosen to somehow inconvenience or spite Harry and Meghan.

However, my kid was absolutely obsessed with her birthday around 4/5 and those were the hardest birthdays to do for her. Specifically, she was obsessed with the idea of the birthday being a specific day. She really wanted the party on the day, and I remember on her 5th birthday we did her party with school friends the day before her birthday and she was horribly disappointed even though we did a family party the next day. She was very intense and fixated on it, and I would have been annoyed at that time if my parents scheduled a huge family event on her birthday because it would have made things especially difficult with her. I mean, that's parenting, but kids that age can just be really tough. They aren't like babies, they don't always just go with the flow, and sometimes they know just enough about things to make life really difficult for you.

Not every kid is as rigid as yours. And my kid has autism so I know what that looks like.

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Try harder to understand. The King of England is having his correnation that can happen any day in a series of months. His son should be there but Dad is mad at son for publicly calling out how crappy the family treats him and his new family and Dad doesn't like the wife. So how can he stick it to his son while still giving the perception son is happily invited to the coronation? Dad picks the birthday of this son's child out of months of available dates AND gives those grandchildren zero role in event. This is the pettiet of BS things a small man does to his own child when you clearly have been a publicly terrible spouse to their mother, an absentee parent at best and a vindictive jerk to your son's family. Stop being obtuse that this was not a strategic and public "screw you" to Harry.

The world does not revolve around a three old turning four. I highly doubt they picked the date because of Archie. We don't know their schedule and why should we? And honestly if your brother/ son told the whole world when you said in private would you ever trust him again? I highly doubt it.

Twisting yourself into knots to excuse royal bad behavior is your strong suit. Do you work for the machine of just a mega fan? There was "concern" that Charles was waiting so long to hold the event. NOT a coincidence. What does Harry have to be trusted with. He is a butt in a seat and has no other roll.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

It is hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes. We haven't drunk the cool aid

It's Kool-Aid, lady. Not sure what you've drunk but it's something.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

You conveniently forget about Sophie, married happily to Edward, the Queen's youngest son. Is she an outlier too?

Do you understand what an outlier is?

Of course. Why didn't you mention her?

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Try harder to understand. The King of England is having his correnation that can happen any day in a series of months. His son should be there but Dad is mad at son for publicly calling out how crappy the family treats him and his new family and Dad doesn't like the wife. So how can he stick it to his son while still giving the perception son is happily invited to the coronation? Dad picks the birthday of this son's child out of months of available dates AND gives those grandchildren zero role in event. This is the pettiet of BS things a small man does to his own child when you clearly have been a publicly terrible spouse to their mother, an absentee parent at best and a vindictive jerk to your son's family. Stop being obtuse that this was not a strategic and public "screw you" to Harry.

The world does not revolve around a three old turning four. I highly doubt they picked the date because of Archie. We don't know their schedule and why should we? And honestly if your brother/ son told the whole world when you said in private would you ever trust him again? I highly doubt it.

Twisting yourself into knots to excuse royal bad behavior is your strong suit. Do you work for the machine of just a mega fan? There was "concern" that Charles was waiting so long to hold the event. NOT a coincidence. What does Harry have to be trusted with. He is a butt in a seat and has no other roll.
You must be really paranoid to see conspiracies everywhere.