Prince Harry to attend coronation without Meghan

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

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I beg of you, let's not have this thread disintegrate...you know how quickly they get locked when things get ugly.

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Who wants her there anyways. Or him, for that matter, but I guess it is his father.

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One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

It's not quite universal, but it's getting there. Will never be 100% IMO, b/c some, as exemplified in this thread, are in wayyyyy too deep and would rather go down with the MM ship.

LOL Yep, some serious haters on this thread. Bizarre.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

I think this is definitely a challenging family to marry into because it's a marriage AND a job. There is also zero room for individuality as the institution is above the individual, and the only one who matters is #1. Everyone else is a support act.

But I do think there are women who take it on successfully, and the ones who failed, failed on their own account. Kate and Sophie are doing very well. Fergie didn't really have to get photographed with her lovers, and Diana's flaws are well documented.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

It's not quite universal, but it's getting there. Will never be 100% IMO, b/c some, as exemplified in this thread, are in wayyyyy too deep and would rather go down with the MM ship.

LOL Yep, some serious haters on this thread. Bizarre.

The irony.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

You conveniently forget about Sophie, married happily to Edward, the Queen's youngest son. Is she an outlier too?

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Anonymous wrote:Poor form. She should be there and so should the kids.

The kids weren’t invited and Charles knew full well it was Archie’s bday when selecting the event date. They designed it so she wouldn’t attend. It’s fine, he makes quick appearance then heads straight home. Little to no drama.

They so many family members, the coronation would inevitably fall on someone's bday. Besides, I doubt Archie knows when his birthday is and can wait to celebrate.

Wait, what? Of course he knows when his birthday is. He's almost 4. Do you even have children? Good grief, you are on the wrong website.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you have an unusually astute 4-year old. My youngest is almost five and he has no idea when his birthday is. He would gleefully celebrate it whenever he's told.

So not one single person in their entire organization would say "that's your grandson's birthday" while planning such a massive event. GTFOH

I truly don't get this way of thinking. A grandchild's birthday is a relatively small occasion. It is dwarfed by a coronation. I dunno, I can't imagine our family postponing any kind of event in deference to one of the children's birthdays. Of course we always celebrate kids' birthdays. But we don't ever care if the celebration is on the actual day or not.

Try harder to understand. The King of England is having his correnation that can happen any day in a series of months. His son should be there but Dad is mad at son for publicly calling out how crappy the family treats him and his new family and Dad doesn't like the wife. So how can he stick it to his son while still giving the perception son is happily invited to the coronation? Dad picks the birthday of this son's child out of months of available dates AND gives those grandchildren zero role in event. This is the pettiet of BS things a small man does to his own child when you clearly have been a publicly terrible spouse to their mother, an absentee parent at best and a vindictive jerk to your son's family. Stop being obtuse that this was not a strategic and public "screw you" to Harry.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

Meghan was a mid 30's divorcee when she married into that family, not some teenage ingenue. She made a willful choice, despite all of the information available to her. And then tried to bend an institution to her will and whined nonstop when that did not happen.

The "problems" of this family had been long and very publicly documented. When you try to elicit sympathy for walking into a crapshow that people could see from miles away, you lose people.

Plus, everyone knows she just wanted the fame, money and titles.

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Anonymous wrote:One reason it's crazy to me that people are so critical of Meghan is that her story is part of a long pattern of the BRF being an absolute nightmare to marry into. People are acting like Meghan is some weird outlier but, ahem, what about Diana and Fergie? What about Margaret's mess of a love life?

If you are looking at this situation with the extremely strained relationship between Harry and his family, and Meghan being completely on the outs with them, and thinking "huh, this must be entirely due to Meghan's actions and personality," then you are unbelievably myopic. It's Kate who is the outlier, and she has done it by completely subsuming herself into her role. This is a system that destroys people, and Meghan is just the latest in a long line of people who have been chewed up and spit out by the BRF.

People called Diana a drama queen too. This family is the problem. Meghan might have her flaws (everyone does) but there is too much of a pattern here to blame her for any of it. The problem is the family, the system, the tabloid press and the family's relationship with it, the family's extreme dysfunction due to their very weird lives and roles. It's a cult.

I think this is definitely a challenging family to marry into because it's a marriage AND a job. There is also zero room for individuality as the institution is above the individual, and the only one who matters is #1. Everyone else is a support act.

But I do think there are women who take it on successfully, and the ones who failed, failed on their own account. Kate and Sophie are doing very well. Fergie didn't really have to get photographed with her lovers, and Diana's flaws are well documented.

Well said. And it's a choice to go take the dysfunction public, and spill some very private tea publicly.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor form. She should be there and so should the kids.

The kids weren’t invited and Charles knew full well it was Archie’s bday when selecting the event date. They designed it so she wouldn’t attend. It’s fine, he makes quick appearance then heads straight home. Little to no drama.

They so many family members, the coronation would inevitably fall on someone's bday. Besides, I doubt Archie knows when his birthday is and can wait to celebrate.

Wait, what? Of course he knows when his birthday is. He's almost 4. Do you even have children? Good grief, you are on the wrong website.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you have an unusually astute 4-year old. My youngest is almost five and he has no idea when his birthday is. He would gleefully celebrate it whenever he's told.

This is true, and so would any reasonable adult. My birthday fell on a Monday this year. We celebrated with family at dinner the following Saturday. Not traumatizing.

Are you really equating your feelings about when to celebrate your birthday to the feelings of a FOUR YEAR OLD?

A four year old, as PP stated, will celebrate on whatever day you tell him to. He's not going to care if the party doesn't happen on THE DAY. In fact it often does not occur on the day, and everyone survives. 4 year olds are unaware. They don't. care.

So, I don't have a dog in this fight: I doubt very much this day was chosen to somehow inconvenience or spite Harry and Meghan.

However, my kid was absolutely obsessed with her birthday around 4/5 and those were the hardest birthdays to do for her. Specifically, she was obsessed with the idea of the birthday being a specific day. She really wanted the party on the day, and I remember on her 5th birthday we did her party with school friends the day before her birthday and she was horribly disappointed even though we did a family party the next day. She was very intense and fixated on it, and I would have been annoyed at that time if my parents scheduled a huge family event on her birthday because it would have made things especially difficult with her. I mean, that's parenting, but kids that age can just be really tough. They aren't like babies, they don't always just go with the flow, and sometimes they know just enough about things to make life really difficult for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Poor form. She should be there and so should the kids.

The kids weren’t invited and Charles knew full well it was Archie’s bday when selecting the event date. They designed it so she wouldn’t attend. It’s fine, he makes quick appearance then heads straight home. Little to no drama.

They so many family members, the coronation would inevitably fall on someone's bday. Besides, I doubt Archie knows when his birthday is and can wait to celebrate.

Wait, what? Of course he knows when his birthday is. He's almost 4. Do you even have children? Good grief, you are on the wrong website.

I don't know what to tell you. Maybe you have an unusually astute 4-year old. My youngest is almost five and he has no idea when his birthday is. He would gleefully celebrate it whenever he's told.

So not one single person in their entire organization would say "that's your grandson's birthday" while planning such a massive event. GTFOH

I truly don't get this way of thinking. A grandchild's birthday is a relatively small occasion. It is dwarfed by a coronation. I dunno, I can't imagine our family postponing any kind of event in deference to one of the children's birthdays. Of course we always celebrate kids' birthdays. But we don't ever care if the celebration is on the actual day or not.

Try harder to understand. The King of England is having his correnation that can happen any day in a series of months. His son should be there but Dad is mad at son for publicly calling out how crappy the family treats him and his new family and Dad doesn't like the wife. So how can he stick it to his son while still giving the perception son is happily invited to the coronation? Dad picks the birthday of this son's child out of months of available dates AND gives those grandchildren zero role in event. This is the pettiet of BS things a small man does to his own child when you clearly have been a publicly terrible spouse to their mother, an absentee parent at best and a vindictive jerk to your son's family. Stop being obtuse that this was not a strategic and public "screw you" to Harry.

You’re way too dramatic.

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Anonymous wrote:After the interviews and book, neither is welcome but Harry feels obligated to make an appearance and Charles knows it would look bad if his son weren’t present. Each side had to make the smallest of efforts to ensure the bridges aren’t permanently burned. But hard to envision any genuine reconciliation, now or down the road.

I think there will be a reconciliation when Harry and Meghan divorce. It's coming. No one could tolerate being married to her for very long. She is estranged from nearly every member of her family save her mother.

She was an only child. Her father is trash. I would question if she WEREN'T estranged from those wack jobs.

He’s trash because he stupidly posed for a magazine? She loved him just fine before that. What about her maid of honor (gone), all aunts and uncles and cousins? She basically has her mother and that’s it. She’s clearly the problem.

He took money to spill the tea about her. He took money to publicize a personal letter she'd written him. What kind of a parent does that? Trash.

Okay. The dad’s trash, what about her maid of honor and every aunt, uncle and cousin?

Exactly. Who has exactly ONE member of her family at her wedding? ONE? At some point you just have to look in the mirror and think, "Maybe it's me."

You nailed it, PP. Now tell us what you saw.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow this thread exploded fast. There is something so universally detestable about Meghan Markle, isn't there?

I think her haters are more detestable. It's like not being able to stop yourself from looking at a crash on the side of the road. The hatred and ugliness they display is hard to look away from. A real spectacle every time her name comes up.

It is hate to point out that the emperor has no clothes. We haven't drunk the cool aid